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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Yes. Fascism = Freedom.

    Its called Socialism, Monkey. The Obama way.

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    Socialism in Colombia? Uhh. Ok.

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    Talking about the US. I am moving in with durito...when this happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panic View Post
    Obama anyone?
    Not me sir. McCain all the way in 2008.

    I just can't see how anyone in their right mind can vote for Obama, I just don't get it considering his views on the issues.

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    nobody answers why bush tax cuts didnt work. they just keep spewing socialism this and that.

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    Follow the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panic View Post
    I am moving in with durito...when this happens.
    Their, There, They're you go sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    nobody answers why bush tax cuts didnt work. they just keep spewing socialism this and that.

    Bush running for a 3rd term? beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboydan View Post
    Not me sir. McCain all the way in 2008.

    I just can't see how anyone in their right mind can vote for Obama, I just don't get it considering his views on the issues.

    Did you ever wonder why all the professionals here that actually make money gambling (real ones, not pretend ones) are all voting for Obama?

    And then did you notice all the people with 4th grade educations voting McCain. That pretty much says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panic View Post
    Bush running for a 3rd term? beautiful.
    I wish Bush could run for a third term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    Did you ever wonder why all the professionals here that actually make money gambling (real ones, not pretend ones) are all voting for Obama?
    Well then I guess they aren't too "sharp" then are they sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    Did you ever wonder why all the professionals here that actually make money gambling (real ones, not pretend ones) are all voting for Obama?

    And then did you notice all the people with 4th grade educations voting McCain. That pretty much says it all.

    I make real money.

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    Always amusing to hear people saying "if this guy gets elected, I'm leaving the US of A" stuff. My father has threatened for years that if another donkey gets elected he was going to go buy a Cypriot citizenship and move. If he ever did, and he won't, he'd be back in two months, three tops.

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    I dont want to leave the good ole US of A, Willie...just want to make sure all the Obama fans are gonna take care of me when the sh1t hits the fan. Why should I use my own money to take care of myself....when they are going to give it away for free?

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    Typical extremist partisan paranoia. And McCain is gonna give guns to felons fresh out of federal prison, send anyone with a speeding ticket to the electric chair, legalize slavery, blah blah blah.

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    Is Cyprus really that desirable of a place to live?

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    Whats going to happen is if Obama gets in he'll raise all the business owners' taxes and therefore they raise prices on goods so we pay their tax increase. It's economics 101. Obama is a hell of a salesman, this election is between Mugabe and Bush. I'll take 4 more years of Bush instead of Mugabe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by treece View Post
    Whats going to happen is if Obama gets in he'll raise all the business owners' taxes and therefore they raise prices on goods so we pay their tax increase. It's a economis 101. Obama is a hell of a salesman, this election is between Mugabe and Bush. I'll take 4 more years of Bush instead of Mugabe.
    I didn't learn that in any of my economics classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    I didn't learn that in any of my economics classes.
    Why am I not surprised. Colombia has a 50,000 peso bill so of course they don't know sht about economics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treece View Post
    Whats going to happen is if Obama gets in he'll raise all the business owners' taxes and therefore they raise prices on goods so we pay their tax increase. It's a economis 101. Obama is a hell of a salesman, this election is between Mugabe and Bush. I'll take 4 more years of Bush instead of Mugabe.
    That's not always true, but sometimes it is.

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    Damn. treece bringin the heat. Never seen treece this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by treece View Post
    Why am I not surprised. Colombia has a 50,000 peso bill so of course they don't know sht about economics.
    Well my economics 101 never taught me that either. You might want to look in a textbook before you make an even bigger twat of yourself. I'd recommend the section on elasticities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by element1286 View Post
    That's not always true, but sometimes it is.
    While it may be true in a specific theoretical case, I can't think of a real world industry where this would hold.

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    If Hitler was running against McCain people would vote for Hitler. They'd just say well Hitler isn't Bush.

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    Sh!t is getting ownery. I need a drink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AMBlai01 View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong...but isn't it the goal of everyone to make more than $250K a year even if we aren't there now?

    Even if I don't get to $250K in the next 4 years. Why would I want him to raise the taxes on anyone......once they are up they will never come back down.

    That's not true. Clinton raised taxes immediately, a little for the **, a lot for the rich. Then as the debt increase shrunk each year and as he had surpluses, he lowered taxes and left a surplus. Then ass-clown pissed it all away and doubled the 5.5 T debt, or will by Jan 20.

    Tax increases have generally been a positive thing, as much as they sound contrary. Look at FDR. Look at GHWB, "Read my Lips" then he did it. That's what set the stage for Clinton to pull us out of that deep recession.

    When we tax, we do well; when we cut taxes, we generally go inteh shitter - it's the whole supply side vs consuemer sude economics thing and history has shown us we can stimulate spending with welfare giveaways, but throwing $$$ at corps and the rich has mixed results at best; can you disprove any of that?

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    1. What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
    2. What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
    3. What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5?
    4. What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
    5. What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' to?
    6. What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?
    7. What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
    8. What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
    9. What if Obama had a pregnant teenage daughter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Sinclair View Post
    It does not bother to point out the truth to Obama supporters. They are ignorant, stupid, hypnotized sheep.

    Yes, Bush did give cuts to everybody, not just the rich. You can put the numbers right in front of these Obama idiots faces and they still believe their messiah. Bigger idiots are hard to find

    Obama will take away those Bush tax cuts for the middle class and the middle class will be paying significantly more.
    Let's use history as the barometer for that. The 3 neo-con presidents have all cut taxes, with the exception of Bush at the end in the deep middle of a recession, and the result has been the same; leave a recession for the Dems to tax and clean up. Without your vile hate language, can you dispove that? As well, Clinton inherited 12 years of Reagan/Bush 250B/yr debt increase, 290B/yr annual deficit, 7%+ unemp and the end of a recession and he left a 236B surplus, and the debt grew just 33B his last year in office and unemp was 4%. If you can your vile language and look at 28 years of data I find your arguments hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panic View Post
    Its called Socialism, Monkey. The Obama way.

    Uh, what's wrong with Socialism? Socialist countries are kicking our (USA) fiscal asses all over the place. When Clinton took office:

    $1 US = $1.28 CAD

    When he left office:

    $1 US = $1.55 CAD

    Now:

    $1 US = $1.21 ... and realize, we were below/even with them for the last 2 years or so until the last month we've moved on them.

    Point is, Socialism works, but the real fiscal problem with the US is that we are 4.5% of the world's population, yet we virtually match them in military spending. Clinton lowered that which is largely what brought us around fiscally. BTW, that doesn't even figure in Iraq War spending, which would throw us way over 50% of all the world's military budget on rubber checks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboydan View Post
    I wish Bush could run for a third term.

    Psssst: Don't let Bush know that, he thinks he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBSB52 View Post
    Uh, what's wrong with Socialism? Socialist countries are kicking our (USA) fiscal asses all over the place. When Clinton took office:

    $1 US = $1.28 CAD

    When he left office:

    $1 US = $1.55 CAD

    Now:

    $1 US = $1.21 ... and realize, we were below/even with them for the last 2 years or so until the last month we've moved on them.

    Point is, Socialism works, but the real fiscal problem with the US is that we are 4.5% of the world's population, yet we virtually match them in military spending. Clinton lowered that which is largely what brought us around fiscally. BTW, that doesn't even figure in Iraq War spending, which would throw us way over 50% of all the world's military budget on rubber checks.

    The better question is....what ISNT wrong with socialism, EB?


    What incentive do I have to make money and open a business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by treece View Post
    If Hitler was running against McCain people would vote for Hitler. They'd just say well Hitler isn't Bush.
    Couldn't find that textbook, then? Wikipedia should suffice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panic View Post
    The better question is....what ISNT wrong with socialism, EB?


    What incentive do I have to make money and open a business?

    That's Communism, a nasty ideology. In Communiosm the gov collects, owns and completely controls the means of production.

    I Socialism the gov collects some of it and redistributes it to the people. So the people control the means of production.

    In Capitalism, the market controls the means of production and this is generally the best system, but the elite control the market, so it becomes a fixed, fascist, corporatist mess. If the corp crooks could stay out it would bethe best system, as it appears Taiwan has going on, altho I believe they have Soc Med. so it's not a total free market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EBSB52 View Post
    That's Communism, a nasty ideology. In Communiosm the gov collects, owns and completely controls the means of production.

    I Socialism the gov collects some of it and redistributes it to the people. So the people control the means of production.

    In Capitalism, the market controls the means of production and this is generally the best system, but the elite control the market, so it becomes a fixed, fascist, corporatist mess. If the corp crooks could stay out it would bethe best system, as it appears Taiwan has going on, altho I believe they have Soc Med. so it's not a total free market.

    Nope. Do you own a business, EB? How much do you make a year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panic View Post
    Nope. Do you own a business, EB? How much do you make a year?


    I don't, I'm an aircraft mech and my salary varies based upon the year I have. I see where you're going tho and it's a bit of an ad hominem. I've known lots of poor people to buy into your ideology even tho the other way would be more advantageous to them and plenty of rich who know that taxes are best way to avert fiscal trouble. See, for most occupations, most people have to do well for them to do well also, so crushing the little guy by cutting welfare programs might seem like a good idea, but in reality does not work. I don't know if it was this thread or another where I detailed Clinton's success, but why not be empirical about it using history rather than off the cuff, 'Taxes suck?'

    Look at the cause and affect of raising versus lowering taxes and the impact to the economy using data, perhaps make an argument from that rather than, 'Hey dude, if you made what I make you wouldn't feel that way.' Because the truth is that economics are far more complex than you or me, the global picture is important and I compel you to show me when we cut taxes for a long time where we've done well. And if you can find that, show me constant examples of that. Then show where periods of tax increase has failed.

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