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    The gas used on the ones found in that mass grave is considered a WMD. I was using the illustration that Saddam Hussein had used such methods once and was threatening to again. Once you have committed such an act, it gives credibility to the fact that you might again.
    A real threat to the US. Got a link to that, BTW?

    Now, you stop with the personal insults. Can't you have a discussion without being rude?
    Not when the other party is intentionally being obtuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donjuan View Post
    -depreciation.
    Yeah. Just keeping it simple.

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    Yeah. Just keeping it simple.
    Got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2431 View Post
    By "makes JUST over 250k" I meant profit. I didn't state it clearly.
    The point is that you pay taxes on only profit. It doesn't affect how you make decisions with respect to expenses. If a business was maximizing profits before, a higher tax rate on its profits won't change its decisions with respect to expenses-- it will continue to maximize profits by doing the same thing it was before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    obama is the most mainstream candidate either party has had in al ong time. a guy who actually cares about the country and the people in it, not just a chosen few

    most people dont want wars
    most people want healthcare
    most millionaires dont need taxcuts.
    if you support a war, fight in it.

    sounds simple enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    You could ask the Kurds about any WMD. Oh wait...you can't. They are dead. If Saddam had them once and used them, that kinda makes any other threat credible. He was threatening to use some. It was a bluff that bit him in the ass but sometimes that happens.
    yes those poor kurds
    you guys feel so bad for those under saddam but heaven forbid americans get healthcare

    gimme a break
    you dont give two shits about kurds
    you couldnt find it on amap if your life depended on it
    who gives a shit about kurds here? seriously. great argument.

    when your party tells you who to care about and who not to, you jump
    when your party says torture is ok, you agree

    if a dem committed these acts, you would never support it

    think
    just think

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    Quote Originally Posted by gizmo2431 View Post
    By "makes JUST over 250k" I meant profit. I didn't state it clearly.
    From a business perspective, if the company is on the 250k borderline, it would make more sense to increase expenses slightly to fall into the lower tax bracket. Cutting benefits for employees would almost certainly reduce productivity.

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    I do think, Mr. Ryan. If a democratic president said that Saddam was a threat and laid out the exact same things that George Bush did, I would still feel the same way I do now. I have never voted a straight party ticket. I have my own view of what I think is best for America and I tend to vote and live that way.

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    Now as I said in a different thread, it is late and I am getting sleepy. It was fun talking to you gentlemen. You have been very entertaining. And I needed the distraction. I hope you all have a very good night.

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    I'm ready for the free funds to start rolling in!!

    I'm going to the mailbox now.

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    I wonder if Obama will *************** the cash to 5 dimes?

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    As a healthcare worker I have to say I hope to God we don't get universal healthcare, you should see all the tards I have to take to the hospital because I can't refuse the homeless people a free taxi ride via my ambulance.

    Trust me there are no democratic EMTs or Paramedics and I would love to meet some Democratic Doctors. Its laughable the shit we have to transport for. 22 year old "chest pain". You know we have 15-25 people we run on a weekly basis that are on first name basis? You really think there is anything wrong with them? Your hard-earned tax dollars getting put to good use, I guess I shouldn't complain its job security right? I run 3-4 real emergencies a week, but I run 40 calls, you do the math.

    PS McCain sucks but Free Healthcare sucks more

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    Quote Originally Posted by l7ustin View Post
    As a healthcare worker I have to say I hope to God we don't get universal healthcare, you should see all the tards I have to take to the hospital because I can't refuse the homeless people a free taxi ride via my ambulance.

    Trust me there are no democratic EMTs or Paramedics and I would love to meet some Democratic Doctors. Its laughable the shit we have to transport for. 22 year old "chest pain". You know we have 15-25 people we run on a weekly basis that are on first name basis? You really think there is anything wrong with them? Your hard-earned tax dollars getting put to good use, I guess I shouldn't complain its job security right? I run 3-4 real emergencies a week, but I run 40 calls, you do the math.

    PS McCain sucks but Free Healthcare sucks more
    .

    Dead on. My gf's dad is a ortho surgeon. He is stressing what you just said to the fullest. Universal health would cripple the docs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    obama is the most mainstream candidate either party has had in al ong time. a guy who actually cares about the country and the people in it, not just a chosen few

    most people dont want wars
    most people want healthcare
    most millionaires dont need taxcuts.
    if you support a war, fight in it.
    You're clueless. He does not give a fukk. No politician does. It's a status symbol. It's egotistical bullshit. His plans are horrid on paper and would never ever be able to work successfully. He gets vulnerable people like you to eat it up and stroke him. Realize none of his shit will work. Hell, even the blacks in my class tonight were talking about how he is full of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    thats a lie, not suprisingly.
    How is it a lie? Go back to Bidens last rally and tell me its a lie after listening to it. Before you jump to conclusions know what you're talking about.

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    you want to hold them to misspeaking? fine. lets do the same to all candidates. you know perfectly well biden misspoke and its not 150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    you want to hold them to misspeaking? fine. lets do the same to all candidates. you know perfectly well biden misspoke and its not 150.
    did obama also misspoke when he said "tax cut" instead of "welfare check"?

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    I'm just happy I can retire next Tuesday at the age of 39 since Daddy Barack will be taking care of me from that point forward. And I am also very lucky I spent much of the last 15 years traveling the world as a backpacker rather than accruing wealth that Barack would have wanted to take away ...

    Barack Obama -- the friend of the lazy and unmotivated!

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    You guys kill me acting like this welfare shit is something new.These stinkin liberals have been giving shit away since the sixties with the asshole Kennedys.Now they have one of their own to hand out free money to the lazy ass crackheads,ruby ridge is where this countrys heading,sooner or later the working class is going to say fuk it and rise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MBENZ View Post
    You guys kill me acting like this welfare shit is something new.These stinkin liberals have been giving shit away since the sixties with the asshole Kennedys.Now they have one of their own to hand out free money to the lazy ass crackheads,ruby ridge is where this countrys heading,sooner or later the working class is going to say fuk it and rise.
    not going to happen

    40% people dont pay income taxes
    95% people are going to be getting welfare
    so out of that 55% that work and get welfare, obama only needs 10% to vote for him
    40+10=majority

    class warfare and buying votes - thank god for democracy.

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    The high times are a comin'!!

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    I would like to bet my check on the Longhorns this weekend, is it possible for me to get mine early?

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    Quote Originally Posted by l7ustin View Post
    As a healthcare worker I have to say I hope to God we don't get universal healthcare, you should see all the tards I have to take to the hospital because I can't refuse the homeless people a free taxi ride via my ambulance.

    Trust me there are no democratic EMTs or Paramedics and I would love to meet some Democratic Doctors. Its laughable the shit we have to transport for. 22 year old "chest pain". You know we have 15-25 people we run on a weekly basis that are on first name basis? You really think there is anything wrong with them? Your hard-earned tax dollars getting put to good use, I guess I shouldn't complain its job security right? I run 3-4 real emergencies a week, but I run 40 calls, you do the math.

    PS McCain sucks but Free Healthcare sucks more
    1. maybe if people had access to regular health care they wouldn't have to run to emergency rooms.

    2. you're a ****ing idiot. Its good to know paramedics are such caring people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reno cool View Post
    1. maybe if people had access to regular health care they wouldn't have to run to emergency rooms.

    2. you're a ****ing idiot. Its good to know paramedics are such caring people.
    who's denying them access? oh wait you mean without paying for it

    and of course, resort to personal attacks when you don't have a leg to stand on.

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    you people are so unbelievably stupid

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    you people are so unbelievably stupid
    Why, because the amount of money that goes to the undeserving needy amounts to the cost of one Air Force Jet wing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboydan View Post
    Now thats comical sir.

    What's funny is that all you Republican gamblers will work hard (and I doubt many you actually work all that hard) to make your money only to then lose it all to me gambling.

    Then you will go vote for someone that will give me a gigantic tax cut and give you nothing.

    It's really quite entertaining.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    What's funny is that all you Republican gamblers will work hard (and I doubt many you actually work all that hard) to make your money only to then lose it all to me gambling.

    Then you will go vote for someone that will give me a gigantic tax cut and give you nothing.

    It's really quite entertaining.

    Thanks.
    lose to YOU. who are you? the center of the gambling universe. all gambling road run through you! what joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wtf View Post
    lose to YOU. who are you? the center of the gambling universe. all gambling road run through you! what joke.
    Were you big boy dan's english teacher?


    Yes, lose to me. Sportsbooks are just the conduit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    What's funny is that all you Republican gamblers will work hard (and I doubt many you actually work all that hard) to make your money only to then lose it all to me gambling.

    Then you will go vote for someone that will give me a gigantic tax cut and give you nothing.

    It's really quite entertaining.

    Thanks.
    whats funny to me is when posters make arbitrary comments with no logical sense and serves no purpose other than to spread democratic rhetoric.

    you say tax cut, i say welfare.
    increasing taxes and then giving a tax rebate, even though that may be a wash (the first year) for most tax *payers*, it's a blatant lie to call it a tax cut.
    do people that didnt pay taxes, get a tax cut? how exactly to do you cut their taxes?
    will taxes go up again? you betcha, its such a clever plan, increase the tax rate, then reward everyone with a tax cut welfare check.

    so let me get this straight, i work hard for my money. the government decides how much i can keep. (out of fairness of course)
    then the guy running for president promises me a tax cut if i vote for him.
    wow this voting thing is awesome, i wonder what else i can get this guy to promise me...
    free health care?? dude this guy rocks

    now anyone with any sense of rational thought, knows that obama has redefined the term tax cut.
    cutting taxes ≠ obama tax cut
    he believes that the purpose of taxes isn't the raise revenue, but to seize earnings of what he deems as fair.
    and has no problem promising potential voters even those that pay no taxes a tax cut welfare check if they vote for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reno cool View Post
    1. maybe if people had access to regular health care they wouldn't have to run to emergency rooms.

    2. you're a ****ing idiot. Its good to know paramedics are such caring people.
    You miss the point because you dont see the problem first hand like I do.

    I love saving lives. I love helping people. I hate the amount of bull shit calls that we run with people that have nothing wrong with them. Homeless people use the hospital as a taxi to get from one side of the town to the other and because by law we have to transport them there is nothing we can do about it. We take these people from one side of the city to the other, they stink and they are foul mouthed and rude. There is RARELY anything wrong with these people...

    They are abusers of the system and there are many of them. These abusers of the system are the ones who reap the largest reward for the system you want to adopt.

    You know the system that is in Europe- why do rich europeans come to America when they need serious surgeries and healthcare? That would be because our healthcare system is the best in the world. Its not free but it is the best! Why dont they just sign up and wait in line in their own country if the universal healthcare plans are so good?

    Dont just call me a ****ing idiot speak and express yourself like an intelligent human, I am not calling Obama any names I have not said anything rude about your candidate, shit I dislike a lot of McCain's stuff but I am voting AGAINST this universal healthcare system because I work in a universal healthcare system, its called emergency medicine in the united states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by losturmarbles View Post
    whats funny to me is when posters make arbitrary comments with no logical sense and serves no purpose other than to spread democratic rhetoric.

    you say tax cut, i say welfare.
    increasing taxes and then giving a tax rebate, even though that may be a wash (the first year) for most tax *payers*, it's a blatant lie to call it a tax cut.
    do people that didnt pay taxes, get a tax cut? how exactly to do you cut their taxes?
    will taxes go up again? you betcha, its such a clever plan, increase the tax rate, then reward everyone with a tax cut welfare check.

    so let me get this straight, i work hard for my money. the government decides how much i can keep. (out of fairness of course)
    then the guy running for president promises me a tax cut if i vote for him.
    wow this voting thing is awesome, i wonder what else i can get this guy to promise me...
    free health care?? dude this guy rocks

    now anyone with any sense of rational thought, knows that obama has redefined the term tax cut.
    cutting taxes ≠ obama tax cut
    he believes that the purpose of taxes isn't the raise revenue, but to seize earnings of what he deems as fair.
    and has no problem promising potential voters even those that pay no taxes a tax cut welfare check if they vote for him.
    Can someone translate this into English for me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by l7ustin View Post
    You miss the point because you dont see the problem first hand like I do.

    I love saving lives. I love helping people. I hate the amount of bull shit calls that we run with people that have nothing wrong with them. Homeless people use the hospital as a taxi to get from one side of the town to the other and because by law we have to transport them there is nothing we can do about it. We take these people from one side of the city to the other, they stink and they are foul mouthed and rude. There is RARELY anything wrong with these people...

    They are abusers of the system and there are many of them. These abusers of the system are the ones who reap the largest reward for the system you want to adopt.

    You know the system that is in Europe- why do rich europeans come to America when they need serious surgeries and healthcare? That would be because our healthcare system is the best in the world. Its not free but it is the best! Why dont they just sign up and wait in line in their own country if the universal healthcare plans are so good?

    Dont just call me a ****ing idiot speak and express yourself like an intelligent human, I am not calling Obama any names I have not said anything rude about your candidate, shit I dislike a lot of McCain's stuff but I am voting AGAINST this universal healthcare system because I work in a universal healthcare system, its called emergency medicine in the united states.
    Have you missed the fact that the system you're complaining about is the current one? Not one of universal healthcare.
    And yes many rich people fly all over the world to find the best specialists.

    I suppose that you're proposing denial of emergency medical services. If someone is abusing that system to such an extent propose penalty on those particular cases. Don't use it as an excuse to deny basic service to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    What's funny is that all you Republican gamblers will work hard (and I doubt many you actually work all that hard) to make your money only to then lose it all to me gambling.

    Then you will go vote for someone that will give me a gigantic tax cut and give you nothing.

    It's really quite entertaining.

    Thanks.
    this is very good. especially whats in parentheses.
    a true accomplishment of American propaganda.

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    There are also plenty of people flying out of the country to get the same procedures for cheaper. And also, in rankings of best health care, USA is down on the list. Know who's at the top? Countries with universal health care.
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