[Giuvara]

I hate it when books come out with stories like this. True or fake, this is cheap publicity and pretty low from their behalf.

[tachi]

what a dumb guy.

-he bets at William Hill,instead of Betfair-this is idiotic.
-he bets at odds of 2/7,1/16,etc. -again idiotic

There is no way he is in big plus and WH accept his action.
There is no way someone buys a house with WH's money.

[singgooner]

@bettilimbroke999 - here in England - we have a betting system - where our bookies are Sports&Racebooks.

So, you go in to watch live racing & sports and they put the prices up on monitors from the industry betting market at the racetrack - you have a choice - to take "LOCK" a price in when your bet is taken - or take the Starting Price = the price of the horse in the market - when they stalls open for racing.

The SP is now always lower than the start of betting, as bookies know the betting market is weak - so it only takes a small amount of money to knock the on-course INDUSTRY market price down.

This increases their profit, as a lot of MUGS would do accas = PARLAYS just right their bets down and do not ask for a price - so in the morning if you do a double and the horses are 2/1 and 3/1 - but then the bookies knock the prices down to EVS and 6/4 - the bookies pay out less if you do not "lock" the prices in.

British bookies only want losers - if you have an internet account and you start winning - they close your account ! That is why Betfair has become so big - as if you are a consistent winner - you can "get on" without a bookie saying you can only have 50 quid at SP !

Bookies now are not fearless - they are just bean counters throwing out winning gamblers from their business model.

The latest scam are these one-arm bandit machines - people get hooked on playing video roulette in our betting shops.

But it is not roulette - you are playing a computer random number generator - so there is no bias in the cartoon roulette wheel - so when you hit the bet button - the computer throws up red 32 and then you see a cartoon of a ball fall on red 32 - some nutters spend hours standing behind someone playing these machines trying to workout the system !

It is quite easy - the system in the bookies is that you lose every time on these computer machines - if they are designed to win - why do they have 4 machines in every betting shop and they promote them - trying to give you free spins - to get you hooked and playing them.

So, when a bookie has someone that knows the game - I am 41 and lived in betting shops during a mis-spent youth and university days - and takes a price early on to guarantee they get the best price - it does not suit their business model - which is ONLY LOSERS NEED APPLY !

Hope my ramblings have explained everything this side of the Atlantic

[tankman777]

he will get his mansion

[wtf]

When I asked for the 1/5 price at the 1st show, the betting shop manager looked at me like a Jew shaking hands with Osama bin Laden in Jerusalem !



Then when I went in next day to collect my winnings - I asked about another horse race and asked for another horse that I knew would shorten up on track in the afternoon and after picking up 120 pounds = 20 pounds profit - the William Hill manager told me that I could only have Starting Price (SP) !

I dont understand this, when betting on horses here in US you are pari-mutuel betting so the odds are not determined until the betting is closed. Are you saying in England betting shops you can normally lock in a current price (like an exchange) and that Will Hill will only let you take some other price (do you mean their opening price or closing price?)

Confusing to me but then I am from US where making a bet that you have a chance to win at is highly illegal (though the government is happy to allow us to throw our paychecks away on one-armed bandits, lotto, bingo, pari-mutuel betting with unreal takeout, casino games with huge house advantage, etc) so I dont concern myself with details like this normally but Im just trying to understand what you're saying Will Hill does that is worse than normal

yes in the uk they are bookies , meaning when you place the bet that is the odds you are given or you can chose to get the sp (starting price) odds, if not a favorite they will drift occasionally

they do have parimutal pools also

amazing they have all these options to gamble and their society seems to survive

[iMxth3xbossx5000]

If Djkovic ever loses, its gonna be to either Nadal or a 100 % healthy Andy Murray. I don't think Federer has what it takes to beat him.

[makman]

If Djkovic ever loses, its gonna be to either Nadal or a 100 % healthy Andy Murray. I don't think Federer has what it takes to beat him.

totally agree

[TT22]

Great. Maybe now they let me bet more than 30 bucks...

[makman]

http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/tennis/....html&BID=3716


William Hill are reporting taking their biggest-ever tennis bet - from a punter trying to win enough money to buy a house.

According to the firm, a London-based customer has staked £120,000 on Novak Djokovic to beat Roger Federer in Friday's French Open semi-final.

The bet is the 27th in a run of bets from the man, all of which have won so far. They included punts on curling and cage fighting.

He started with an £8,400 bet back in March and his pot has since reached £161,000.

"Six-figure bets on tennis are so rare as to be almost an endangered species, and in 30-plus years in the business I cannot recall having seen, or even heard of, a tennis bet of this size," said Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.

"We can think of no other punter to compare him to - he told staff when he placed his first bet that he hoped to win enough to buy himself a house - well, he can already afford a small place out in the sticks, but a Mansion in Mayfair may take a few more winning bets! He is effectively betting the house every time he bets.

"The crucial question now is - when will he decide he has won enough and walk away with his house-sized profits?"

Djokovic, unbeaten so far this year, is in from 1/3 to 2/7 to win the match with Hills.

Total bullshit from WH,
An unknown guy (who is completely dumb, for his roll mangement and for the odds, and even dumber for betting on WH) who is try to get a mansion...

[bettilimbroke999]

Hope my ramblings have explained everything this side of the Atlantic

Yes you have, thank you for the explanation

[Ruifgalmeida]

amazing they have all these options to gamble and their society seems to survive

Just went to Spain and you have a slot machine in every Pub ,it is a cultural thing gambling is part of society.
Never went to England but I believe you can find a bookie in every corner

[jjgold]

Sounds like a BS story by William Hill

[singgooner]

@jjgold - IT IS A TOTAL WILLIAM HILL BS Story.

I have just returned from my local UK William Hill betting shop this morning.

I asked the betting shop manager for a 120 quid WIN DOUBLE - Nadal to beat Murray 1/6 and ITALY to beat ESTONIA in the EURO2012 Qualifer tonight.

I asked to take the prices - in the Racing Post (UK's betting paper) - William Hill advertised 2/11 - just come back from the betting shop - William Hill's own web-site (williamhill.com) still advertises 2/11 and in the betting shop - the betting manager offered me 1/10 (1.1) - WHAT A COMPLETE F**KING JOKE OF A COMPANY !

I told the manager this morning - so this guy has had £120k on a tennis match and you cannot give me the prices for a 120 quid WIN DOUBLE on a 1/6 and a 2/11 shot - WILLIAM HILL IS AN ANAGRAM OF FRAUD !

The manager just looked at me again like a Jew would to Osama bin Laden ! LOL !

[belvedere86]

maybe they publish the story so that other idiots wager a lot on djoko.

so federer is the play

[steviec27]

Never went to England but I believe you can find a bookie in every corner

At least one lol.
My town has around 30,000 people so quite small, and off the top of my head I could think of around 15 bookies/gambling establishments.

[jjgold]

@jjgold - IT IS A TOTAL WILLIAM HILL BS Story.

I have just returned from my local UK William Hill betting shop this morning.

I asked the betting shop manager for a 120 quid WIN DOUBLE - Nadal to beat Murray 1/6 and ITALY to beat ESTONIA in the EURO2012 Qualifer tonight.

I asked to take the prices - in the Racing Post (UK's betting paper) - William Hill advertised 2/11 - just come back from the betting shop - William Hill's own web-site (williamhill.com) still advertises 2/11 and in the betting shop - the betting manager offered me 1/10 (1.1) - WHAT A COMPLETE F**KING JOKE OF A COMPANY !

I told the manager this morning - so this guy has had £120k on a tennis match and you cannot give me the prices for a 120 quid WIN DOUBLE on a 1/6 and a 2/11 shot - WILLIAM HILL IS AN ANAGRAM OF FRAUD !

The manager just looked at me again like a Jew would to Osama bin Laden ! LOL !

funny post

Yeh they are hamburgers over there

[Killer_Demo]

is this story confirmed true yet?

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Untrue, this guy is basically a psycho thats just going all in on 26 bets....and still going, this would be the ideal customer for any book, for every 100k of these type of bettors that lose they pay one guy and naturally make a big deal about it for free advertising, willhill would be crazy to cut his limits ....

I'm not talking about cutting his limits, but actually increasing them. Those are way above normal - thus he'd have to lose a crapload first to get them increased.

Willhill actually have a really profitable highrollers department that takes care of these guys.

[stats13]

I'm rolling with this guy on the Djoker today!

[csm506]

GL to this guy I hope he wins

[SRBI]

Who cares, if its true or not and/or if he wins, you aint gonna see that money anyway.

Anyone know what network will be airing this match in the US?

ESPN?

[Gaskan]

Because past performance does not guaranty future results and whoever takes Federer is being compensated for taking underdog by smaller risk and larger payout.

You make it sound like Federer does not have a chance.
Rest of the world puts Federer's chance to win at 28% last time I checked.

The greatest run against the greatest player of all time, not too far removed from his best tennis. On any given day he could resurrect the form from 3 years or 4 years ago. Agassi played some of his best tennis in his mid 30's.

[stats13]

Who cares, if its true or not and/or if he wins, you aint gonna see that money anyway.

Anyone know what network will be airing this match in the US?

ESPN?

its on network tv. like cbs or nbc or somethign

[yisman]

"Six-figure bets on tennis are so rare as to be almost an endangered species, and in 30-plus years in the business I cannot recall having seen, or even heard of, a tennis bet of this size," said Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.

Is this guy for real? He doesn't pay much attention to the tennis betting world, then. Just a few months ago, there was a bigger tennis bet written about in the news.. This "spokesman" appears to be pretty clueless.

[stats13]

Who cares, if its true or not and/or if he wins, you aint gonna see that money anyway.

Anyone know what network will be airing this match in the US?

ESPN?

ok here's the weird thing tho.. its on at 11 AM EVERYWHERE.... so that means that us on the east coast get it live, but west coast people watch it on delay

[yisman]

i'd take his bets too laying 1:100, 1:40, 1:10.

As would I. Most of these winners are bad bets, but Will Hill is trying to play him up as some kind of savant.

Will Hill I'm sure is happy to take these bets. Nadal 1/100?

Betfair takes six figure bets daily or should I say most days where there is lots of tennis

silly jj, tennis gets no action.

[jennahazeplays]

jokers a smart bet

[ronaldo922]

even if this story is false or a lie. doesnt mean that novak isnt the play

[Maniac]

I did see an article about this guy last week actually (admittedly in that rag The Sun on the link someone posted earlier) and to be honest I think its genuine personally.

The article did say that the guy started off with a small bankroll and has basically been betting huge odds-on shots (including a couple of huge odds-on accumulators) and has been upping his stakes as his bankroll has been increasing.

If I was Hills I dont see why they would limit him - books dont just automatically limit people just because they win...they limit people who arb/take best price/beat steam moves etc

This guy isnt arbing, he isnt taking best price (as someone mentioned he would almost certainly get much better on betfair) and isnt betting steam either - all he is doing is lumping on heavily odds-on shots, and although he is winning now, we all know that all it takes is for 1 of his bets to lose and he will wipe out the majority of what he has made so far.

A shop as big as Hills, with the huge turnover they get daily, isnt going to worry too much over a guy betting 120k to win 40k - especially when they can turn it to their advantage and get some relatively cheap marketing out of it - cheap compared to the millions and tens of millions that a company this size will spend in a typical year.

If they limit the guy then it is story (and marketing opportunity over) but as it stands right now, how many people are out there reading this story and thinking "this is easy money, bet a huge fav and never lose" and how many of them will attempt to to the same thing and lose a fotrune when a "dead-cert" somehow loses...

[brettels]

Crazy bet (if true)!! Tommorows news paper "djokovics dream streak comes to an end"

[Hoja Verdes]

"The crucial question now is - when will he decide he has won enough and walk away with his house-sized profits?"

Djokovic, unbeaten so far this year, is in from 1/3 to 2/7 to win the match with Hills.

He won't walk away. He will lose it all. We have seen this plotline many times.

[Boxing Champ]

I did see an article about this guy last week actually (admittedly in that rag The Sun on the link someone posted earlier) and to be honest I think its genuine personally.

The article did say that the guy started off with a small bankroll and has basically been betting huge odds-on shots (including a couple of huge odds-on accumulators) and has been upping his stakes as his bankroll has been increasing.

If I was Hills I dont see why they would limit him - books dont just automatically limit people just because they win...they limit people who arb/take best price/beat steam moves etc

This guy isnt arbing, he isnt taking best price (as someone mentioned he would almost certainly get much better on betfair) and isnt betting steam either - all he is doing is lumping on heavily odds-on shots, and although he is winning now, we all know that all it takes is for 1 of his bets to lose and he will wipe out the majority of what he has made so far.

A shop as big as Hills, with the huge turnover they get daily, isnt going to worry too much over a guy betting 120k to win 40k - especially when they can turn it to their advantage and get some relatively cheap marketing out of it - cheap compared to the millions and tens of millions that a company this size will spend in a typical year.

If they limit the guy then it is story (and marketing opportunity over) but as it stands right now, how many people are out there reading this story and thinking "this is easy money, bet a huge fav and never lose" and how many of them will attempt to to the same thing and lose a fotrune when a "dead-cert" somehow loses...

The morale of this bullshit story is...........
Bet Federer.....
P.S.... it's 23 not 26 in a row..

[stats13]

here we go!

[singgooner]

Quote - "Six-figure bets on tennis are so rare as to be almost an endangered species, and in 30-plus years in the business I cannot recall having seen, or even heard of, a tennis bet of this size," said Hill's spokesman Graham Sharpe.

The reason why you can't recall having seen or even heard of a tennis bet this size Mr. Sharpe - is that no-one would be able to get on with William Hill in the past - in the present or even in the f'ing future !

William Hill are complete frauds - check out Italy v Estonia match odds - 6 hours ago - I tried to place 120 quid win double with Italy odds at 2/11 - I was told it was changed to 1/10 - williamhill.com still state you can have 2/11 with them - 6 hours after I have been told the price has changed.

Joke outfit - complete fraudsters and w@nkers to boot !

OK, rant over - do not pace a massive bet with William Hill - unless you can turn them over !

[shane500]

federer wins 1st set