[kickenchicken]

well its still fun and i havent lost any money so it does ok for me regaurdless

[eberetta1]

It is funny the software on some sites, that have 100 registered players, and only 20 players show up, you see alot of the big chip stack players win. It's like the software knows, noone has been taken out of the game, so it has to ditch a player. I think a player I do not want to post their name, they called it BCSB, big chip stack bias. So , yes I play accordingly. If I notice, I am a big chip stack and I am wondering to steal a person's blinds, I remember this calculation adds a few percentage points to my chances. It was so funny, I tried it with a 6 3 off suit tonight and pulled off a full house. Because any 2 cards will win.

[Gruntworker]

The thing about this kind of argument is it is nearly impossible to prove. There is just no way to generate an adequate sample size of hands to justify the argument either way. I used to play alot of SNGs, so I would just say this... bad beats are just part of poker. The more you play, the more you will see/experience them on both sides. But the hands you lose will always stick in your mind, while the one's you win will be quickly forgotten.

That combined with the fact that many play super loose since it's a freeroll, lead for some really wicked beats. But try to remember, in a 80/20 or 60/40... yeah... you may get it in good, but you are only an 80 or 60% favorite to win the hand. Those hands shouldn't win every time.

[gamemastere]

well we know who's not goin to win the WSOP seat

[mighty maron]

lol at the whole world

[Glitch]

i don't think sbr poker is rigged BUT

i have also noticed streaks- one player getting good hole cards and boards for like 10,15 minutes or one guy getting "set up" with good cards against better cards or very unlucky boards 3, sometimes 4 hands in a row.

when i notice someone on a super hot lucky-donk streak, i can fold pocket queens against them preflop for a raise of 3 times the big blind- just not wanting to go against them while their luck is set to steamroller....also when i feel like im the one on the heater, ill push all in with J-9 suited..... thats how much ive taken notice of this.......however, i dont think sbr is doing anything wrong, im just very superstitious and have chocked it up to luck and coincidence.

streaks occur even in real life face-to-face cash games. so do lucky people.

[mikejamm]

I only play good cards, rarely am the bigger stack, and yet have made as many, or more, final tables as anyone this month. Last month, in theoretically significantly easier games (30/tourney instead of 60) I barely made any. It's called variance. That, combined with the simple fact that the vast majority of the field is playing bad because they either don't care or don't know better, is all you need to explain "weird" results. Believing dumb conspiracy theories is moronic, but hey if it makes you feel better about your losses tell yourself whatever you want.

So now you're calling it "variance" resident sbr shrill banker and ass kisser? I see you hit great flops all the time and you're gonna use the bullshit excuse of the vast majority is playing badly? I'm sure you don't have a fuk'in problem getting to final tables with all the rake you provide sbr sucking in loans to losers who just blow the points in the casino or sports book. Take your variance theory and go blow smoke up someone else's ass! Go back to scamming people at your little points bank, sbr's favorite bitch boy!

Several people on here have already stated they witness unreasonable variations in the way the software reacts to high hole card pairs and all in calls to larger chip stacks. I guess they're all idiot players and you're a fuk'in genius! I wouldn't doubt for an instant you're one of the fuk'ers who regularly gets better hands than most of us on here, because after all, you not gonna say a thing outspoken and jeopardize your little points bank operation life you live here on sbr. Too bad they're now worthless for sports book cash!

[mikejamm]

]i don't think sbr poker is rigged BUT i have also noticed streaks- one player getting good hole cards and boards for like 10,15 minutes or one guy getting "set up" with good cards against better cards or very unlucky boards 3, sometimes 4 hands in a row.[/b] when i notice someone on a super hot lucky-donk streak, i can fold pocket queens against them preflop for a raise of 3 times the big blind- just not wanting to go against them while their luck is set to steamroller....also when i feel like im the one on the heater, ill push all in with J-9 suited..... thats how much ive taken notice of this.......however, i dont think sbr is doing anything wrong, im just very superstitious and have chocked it up to luck and coincidence. streaks occur even in real life face-to-face cash games. so do lucky people.

Good argument Glitch and agree with what you say'in. I've noticed this too and also make adjustments to it. But when the blinds are getting up there and you're starting to get short stacked because Thadd (example) is getting AA, KK, JJ every other fuk'in hand, what's the point of trying to defend or bluff if this guy's "supposed" hot streak last for that long? You'll be blinded out or fuk'ed the first time you try to match hands with him. I know players get on hot streaks, nothing wrong with that, but the fact is, either by re-seating, pitting short stacks against that player on a continuous hot streak, and top pair hole cards which seems to magically bust your KK to a stack leader who hits trip 5's on the river, is just too fuk'in coincidental to be called random luck!

[shock11]

so sick of this rigged bullshit OP just cant take a bad beat

[necro]

it's rigged only if you are losing

[LegitBet]

Humor me.
Start playing more disciplined And TAG (tight and aggressive) and watch your 'luck' improve

[downsouth]

So now you're calling it "variance" resident sbr shrill banker and ass kisser? I see you hit great flops all the time and you're gonna use the bullshit excuse of the (1)vast majority is playing badly? I'm sure you don't have a fuk'in problem getting to final tables with (2)all the rake you provide sbr sucking in loans to losers who just blow the points in the casino or sports book. Take your variance theory and go blow smoke up someone else's ass! Go back to scamming people at your little points bank, sbr's favorite bitch boy!

Several people on here have already stated they witness unreasonable variations in the way the software reacts to high hole card pairs and all in calls to larger chip stacks. I guess they're all idiot players and you're a fuk'in genius! I wouldn't doubt for an instant you're one of the fuk'ers who regularly gets better hands than most of us on here, because after all, you not gonna say a thing outspoken and jeopardize your little points bank operation life you live here on sbr. Too bad they're now worthless for sports book cash!

1 The vast majority is playing bad.

2 Yes, Im sure SBR is has rigged it in Thads favor because they are that worried about rake. Mike most of SBR is like you which is broke no matter how many points they ever get.

3. Wow you sure go d bag quick when someone disagrees with you.

[JDUB07]

The thing that has to be addressed and fixed is the contact loss of connection that multiple people complain about. I get kicked out every 4 hands.

[zam77]

Well, this thread has some very interesting insight. I can say this, I am not convinced either way, but if I had to lean I would say the software has the "option to control" certain variables. It's somewhat suprising to see that some very good players here have such trust that software manipulation is inconceivable.

My point is I don't know if there is or not, but the op's argument certainly isn't something to mock or throw out like it's not even a possibility. His argument has some plausability, but my view on it is that it's a pretty much a lost cause. I have had a few hot streaks here, I know I am not a great poker player, but am good enough to compete with the better players on most days and have respect for quite a few players here, but no matter how many hot streaks I get, I would never discount the fact that the software has potential of being controlled from what I've seen thus far. But in reality, its beyond my control, and I am content with how it has worked for me and will continue to play here thinking I have a chance to win.

[jetsjets1028]

sbr=total bullshit since dont alllow non pros to use their points to get prize.. its ridiculous and stupid

[downsouth]

sbr=total bullshit since dont alllow non pros to use their points to get prize.. its ridiculous and stupid

Yes, because there are tons of other people sitting around waiting to give you ipads, sports cash and everything else with you willing to return nothing.

[downsouth]

Well, this thread has some very interesting insight. I can say this, I am not convinced either way, but if I had to lean I would say the software has the "option to control" certain variables. It's somewhat suprising to see that some very good players here have such trust that software manipulation is inconceivable.

My point is I don't know if there is or not, but the op's argument certainly isn't something to mock or throw out like it's not even a possibility. His argument has some plausability, but my view on it is that it's a pretty much a lost cause. I have had a few hot streaks here, I know I am not a great poker player, but am good enough to compete with the better players on most days and have respect for quite a few players here, but no matter how many hot streaks I get, I would never discount the fact that the software has potential of being controlled from what I've seen thus far. But in reality, its beyond my control, and I am content with how it has worked for me and will continue to play here thinking I have a chance to win.

I agree there is never any real way to know. But I have to assume with the variety of people that win that there is no "conspiracy to allow certain players to win" If SBR is picking people to win then why me or Thad. Why not give them to people like OP mike or carseller that you know are going to blow them quickly.

[Lint Pockets]

keep crying about how the FREE tournaments you play in is bullshit you little f*cking pussy.

[icancount2one]

i don't think sbr poker is rigged BUT

i have also noticed streaks- one player getting good hole cards and boards for like 10,15 minutes or one guy getting "set up" with good cards against better cards or very unlucky boards 3, sometimes 4 hands in a row.

when i notice someone on a super hot lucky-donk streak, i can fold pocket queens against them preflop for a raise of 3 times the big blind- just not wanting to go against them while their luck is set to steamroller....also when i feel like im the one on the heater, ill push all in with J-9 suited..... thats how much ive taken notice of this.......however, i dont think sbr is doing anything wrong, im just very superstitious and have chocked it up to luck and coincidence.

streaks occur even in real life face-to-face cash games. so do lucky people.

God damn it Obama please bring poker back so I can continue taking money from people who think like this... they really don't deserve to keep it.

[zam77]

I agree there is never any real way to know. But I have to assume with the variety of people that win that there is no "conspiracy to allow certain players to win" If SBR is picking people to win then why me or Thad. Why not give them to people like OP mike or carseller that you know are going to blow them quickly.

Hey DS... like I said I am still content with sbr poker and do not have thoughts that it is favoring certain players; when a player is winning often I'm pretty confident they are good or having a great luck streak or both... if anything (and I emphasize IF), the type of manipulation the software seems to have is that it favors bigger stacks over smaller stacks in all-in situations regardless of hole cards. And even in this scenario, it's not like I'm convinced, but dude I'm certainly not gonna sit here and say there's no way it's not happening. I still feel all players are getting their opportunities to win regardless, but am feeling like my better hands win more when I have a larger stack than a smaller stack for the most part and lose to worse hands more often than they win. Whatever though, I still enjoy playing here and feel that I have a decent shot at winning/placing every tourney so that's pretty much all that matters to me.

[Glitch]

God damn it Obama please bring poker back so I can continue taking money from people who think like this... they really don't deserve to keep it.

are you retarded man- im talking about a freeroll.

pokers still here, get some friends then get a home game or ask your mom if you can go to the casino.

[k13]

Meh, its not much different than any other poker site.

Gotta be patient. Think long term.

[Kindred]

wow now sites that don't even use cash are rigging the games

.1% odds of something happening mean they can and will happen

[Kindred]

sbr=total bullshit since dont alllow non pros to use their points to get prize.. its ridiculous and stupid

If you can't scrape together $200 then you have bigger problems than SBR prizes

[stevenash]

I agree i've played a lot of poker online and it doesn't seem like realistic poker. The chip leaders often hit miracle cards to eliminate players quicker.

You ever notice how many times, last hand before the break, three monsters are dealt to three people, making for 3 way all in action?

I've seen something like this more than once, "tables going on break at the conclusion of this hand"

Player 1 gets ace-ace
Player 2 gets king-king
Player 3 gets like K-Q suited.

Two get eliminated right before break.

[Jimmy Proffett]

I don't see why SBR poker would rig a tournament so that the bigger stacks wipe out everyone to speed the game up. There's a set number of tournaments per day; it's not like another tournament starts up immediately afterwards. I used to bitch about Full Tilt b/c it seemed that they would attempt to speed games up so more games could be played and more rake could be taken. There's no house advantage here for catering to chip leaders.

[cloudagh]

This is a very interesting thread. Insightful on several levels.

[Kindred]

I don't see why SBR poker would rig a tournament so that the bigger stacks wipe out everyone to speed the game up. There's a set number of tournaments per day; it's not like another tournament starts up immediately afterwards. I used to bitch about Full Tilt b/c it seemed that they would attempt to speed games up so more games could be played and more rake could be taken. There's no house advantage here for catering to chip leaders.

I don't think Full Tilt was rigged but couldn't agree more, why would SBR rig a free poker site

[Full Time Hobo]

I have played SBR poker once.
Every time I was in a big pot with someone my connection would time out and I would auto-fold.
Software is too glitchy for me.

[pokernut9999]

A bunch of cry baby losers , learn how to play poker first.

[RANDAZZO]

Once you learn poker the rest is luck. Just face it.

[wal66]

As for making final table in these qualifiers, you can practically sit and wait them out. I make the final table better than 50% of the time and generally with only winning 1 or 2 hands in getting there.

I've witnessed a lot, I mean A LOT of bad play in the time I've been playing these. I will agree with the original poster in it does seem the larger stacks tend to win more races but in many of the hands I have witnessed they won coming from behind.

[chachi]

3. Wow you sure go d bag quick when someone disagrees with you.

Well yeah, that's Mike unfortunately.

The thing that has to be addressed and fixed is the contact loss of connection that multiple people complain about. I get kicked out every 4 hands.

^ ^ THIS ^^

This is why despite managing to up my game and reaching the final table three nights in a row the last week of the Feb tourneys that I walked away from SBR Poker, it was doing my head in playing well and then getting hosed on a high stake hand due to forced DCs

In the tourneys I witnessed I would guess maybe 50% seemingly were using an early 'strategy' of trying to buy the pot/bluff their asses off/bully with SFA for cards and therefore style, skill and ability were out the window until the idiots were done flinging chips around like they were free ... oh wait, they were free, that explains it

[Cuse0323]

A bunch of cry baby losers , learn how to play poker first.

anyone complaining hasn't played much.

[Cuse0323]

I totally agree with initial post. I am extremely experience on more then 50 sites for 8 years and have never experience play like I do here. I believe the software is seriously alter.

Sorry no1here but you think too highly of yourself. You can't even spell and you think you're some poker superstar. You may have played in some WSOP tourneys but I think you've smoked yourself retarded.