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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    A users’ guide to making cocaine in the Colombian mountains

    http://observers.france24.com/en/con...ocaine-process
    Once you've passed the racist aspect of the course, here's a guide on being a hypocritical racist. You do this by moan at people who don't tip pizza delivery boys who just deliver a pizza but in the same breath don't want to tip a barman who just pours a glass of beer:

    http://tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion...num=11367&ip=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacomax View Post
    Once you've passed the racist aspect of the course, here's a guide on being a hypocritical racist. You do this by moan at people who don't tip pizza delivery boys who just deliver a pizza but in the same breath don't want to tip a barman who just pours a glass of beer:

    http://tipthepizzaguy.com/discussion...num=11367&ip=1
    What do you know -- it seems you Democrat moonbats are the real racists:

    Uncle Tom Powell Stumps for Massah Bush

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/12/183155/559

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    If McCain was black, would you vote for him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacomax View Post
    If McCain was black, would you vote for him?
    There a lot of blacks I would vote for:

    Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, Bob Parks, etc

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    What if he was black and didn't tip pizza delivery boys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tacomax View Post
    What if he was black and didn't tip pizza delivery boys?
    Any of those assholes would automatically be crossed off the list, black, white, green or blue.

    And you derisively call them "boys," but in my experience at least half are over the age of 25, many over the age of 40.

    But since I haven't done that job in 10 years and doubtfully will ever do it again, I'm not in any position to judge the tipping situation at present.

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    We cannot assume that anything that helps business helps the country. This is what Bush Sr. called voodoo economics.

    If business had its way people would be making the absolute minimum needed for survival, and those not needed would be in prison. And we're heading there fast.

    Its not like they would pay more than they have to if you give them more money.

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    The Republicans are done, they better start looking for another future prospect who's going to challenge Obama in 2012.

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    i just dropped my mccain sign off in the dumpster

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    Quote Originally Posted by reno cool View Post
    We cannot assume that anything that helps business helps the country. This is what Bush Sr. called voodoo economics.
    During their Presidential primary.

    Do you also believe Biden, in the primaries, when he said that Obama wasn't experienced enough to be President?

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    Can we get Mitt Romney back in the race??? He was the only one that had a clue economically.

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    Don't know if experience matters, or if these two things have anything in common. Just because Bush was mostly correct 20 years ago on an issue doesn't mean everything ever said in a primary is correct.
    However it illustrates how far to the right this country has moved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reno cool View Post
    Don't know if experience matters, or if these two things have anything in common. Just because Bush was mostly correct 20 years ago on an issue doesn't mean everything ever said in a primary is correct.
    However it illustrates how far to the right this country has moved.
    Mostly correct? Between 83 and 89, we had one of the biggest economic booms this country has had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    Mostly correct? Between 83 and 89, we had one of the biggest economic booms this country has had.
    Really? I suppose Bush Sr.'s presidency is an aberration. Here are the average real (inflation-adjusted) annual GDP growth percentages for each recent Presidency.

    Eisenhower 1.11%
    JFK/LBJ 3.48%
    Nixon/Ford 1.70%
    Carter 2.14%
    Reagan 2.45%
    G.H.W. Bush 0.93%
    Clinton 2.49%
    G.W. Bush (through 2007) 1.37%

    Odd statistics aren't they, ms?
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    Or was it really Reagan's Presidency that is the aberration?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Really? I suppose Bush Sr.'s presidency is an aberration. Here are the average real (inflation-adjusted) annual GDP growth percentages for each recent Presidency.

    Eisenhower 1.11%
    JFK/LBJ 3.48%
    Nixon/Ford 1.70%
    Carter 2.14%
    Reagan 2.45%
    G.H.W. Bush 0.93%
    Clinton 2.49%
    G.W. Bush (through 2007) 1.37%

    Odd statistics aren't they, ms?
    Yes they are odd and you are too ignorant to understand your arguments, both pro your position or against

    Can you source these numbers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by accuscoresucks View Post
    its a sad day bbd obama sighns all over this county on peoples lawns,i bet these people are being paid to let the obama crew do this..

    as for the house owners they are fuuukin clue-less absolute without a doubt have no idea,im getting out of this country in transiet to a new country as we speak

    i said it before and i will say it again if obama is elected i will never set foot on american soil again


    GOD BLESS IRAQ
    Good fuking riddance and talk all the gullible nitwits who gave us eight years of Bush with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboydan View Post
    I can't do that because I don't care for his views sir. If McCain loses this election the U.S. economy will be even in worse shape than it already is.
    You are a moderator of a gambling site that has taken many set backs because of republican policies which has made it a pain in the dick to fund books that support these sites. What the fuk is wrong with some of you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboydan View Post
    If Obama gets elected the cost of everything will skyrocket even worse than they already all. I mean with his .50 cents gas tax alone will probably do it single handily.
    Did Hannity give you this bunch of bullshit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    Basic business principles. You raise taxes on a company they will either:

    a) raise their price of whatever service
    b) cut back on employees to offset the cost
    c) move to another country where the taxes are cheaper
    d) all of the above
    Or E create 22 million new jobs like it did in the Clinton years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    Yes they are odd and you are too ignorant to understand your arguments, both pro your position or against

    Can you source these numbers?
    It's called the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), where all official GDP numbers come from. I suppose they are ignorant as well.

    http://www.cbo.gov

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    Amateur gambling forum moderator economists are funny.

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    Irony.....

    McCoot signs (Made in Taiwan)
    Obama signs (Made in USA)

    I guess we know why McCoot loves to ship our jobs overseas, so he can buy cheaper signs.

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    Spread the wealth. The hell I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    Yes they are odd and you are too ignorant to understand your arguments, both pro your position or against

    Can you source these numbers?
    I'll even make it easy for you. Here are the annual real GDP figures released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Feel free to calculate them for yourself.

    http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/...JavaBox=no#Mid

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    Hint: Real GDP is listed in the top row.

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    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122454498635252109.html

    * OCTOBER 21, 2008

    Volcker Makes a Comeback as Part of Obama Brain Trust
    By MONICA LANGLEY

    NEW YORK -- At 81 years old, former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker is getting a second chance to shape his legacy with a presidential hopeful more than 30 years his junior.

    Mr. Volcker has emerged as a top economic adviser to Sen. Barack Obama during a presidential campaign dominated by a global financial crisis. Their growing bond is paying dividends for each man.

    Mr. Volcker delivers gravitas and credibility to Sen. Obama, people in the Obama camp say, as well as ideas and approaches to the economic crisis. "Volcker whispering in Obama's ear will make even Republicans comfortable, because he's a hero of the right and a supporter of a strong dollar," says John Tamny, a supply-side economist and Republican.

    On Tuesday, Mr. Volcker is scheduled to appear on the campaign trail with Sen. Obama for the first time. At a round-table discussion with voters in Lake Worth, Fla., he'll "give his view on the state of the economy and the credit markets, and what needs to be done to fix them," says one campaign adviser. Longtime Fed watchers are amused that Mr. Volcker, known for his muttered statements during Fed meetings in the 1980s, will be in a political role on the stump.

    For Mr. Volcker, a connection with Sen. Obama could help burnish his record as Fed chairman. The cigar-chomping central banker from 1979 to 1987, he received blame for driving up interest rates and tipping the U.S. into the deepest recession since the Great Depression. But Mr. Volcker is just as well known for taming the runaway inflation of that era. His stock has risen in recent months as his gruff warnings about the risks of deregulating the financial sector have come to look prescient. His successor's reputation, meanwhile, has come under a cloud. Alan Greenspan is under criticism that the low interest rates and deregulatory ideology of his tenure contributed to today's crisis.

    With nearly every day presenting a fresh financial emergency, Sen. Obama has persuaded Mr. Volcker, who travels the globe for economic meetings and occasionally disappears on fly-fishing trips, to be at the ready; Mr. Volcker now keeps a cellphone on him at all times. And though he still doesn't own a computer (his assistant prints out emails for him), he's gotten used to Sen. Obama's rapid-fire messages sent from a BlackBerry device.

    The Obama-Volcker relationship continues to evolve, campaign advisers say. At the start, Sen. Obama sought advice from Mr. Volcker and other outside voices through his economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, a 39-year-old University of Chicago professor. But starting with the demise of Bear Stearns Cos. in March and continuing today, Sen. Obama speaks directly and often with Mr. Volcker about the intricacies of the financial crisis and possible solutions. They've become "collaborators," as one aide puts it.

    For example, when the U.S. Treasury put forth a plan to set up a $700 billion rescue fund to buy up toxic assets, Sen. Obama quickly backed it on the advice of Mr. Volcker. Like other prominent economists, Mr. Volcker also advocated early on for the recapitalization of banks. On this advice, Sen. Obama proposed direct equity infusions in banks in his frequent conference calls with Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The idea, initially rejected by Mr. Paulson, was finally proposed last week by the administration, in an effort to get banks lending again to businesses and each other.
    Relying on Mr. Volcker

    Sen. Obama's team of economic advisers includes two former Treasury secretaries, Robert Rubin and Lawrence Summers, and in some decisions, Mr. Volcker doesn't reign supreme. The candidate's latest proposal, for example, a $60 billion stimulus package, was initially fought by the former Fed chief on the grounds that Americans were already overspending. Moreover, he is unlikely to take a long-term role in any Obama administration.
    [Paul Volcker] Associated Press

    Paul Volcker, delivering a lecture last week in Singapore, where he warned that the U.S. and Europe are facing recession from the financial crisis.

    But for now, and going into the campaign's final weeks, aides say Sen. Obama is increasingly relying on Mr. Volcker. His staff now routinely reviews policy proposals and speeches with Mr. Volcker. Conference calls and face-to-face meetings of the Obama economic team are often reorganized to accommodate his schedule. When the team discusses the financial crisis, "The most important question to Obama: What does Paul Volcker think?" says Jason Furman, the campaign's economic-policy director.

    The two men have developed an ease with each other, say aides, even as their styles appear to differ: Sen. Obama, who tends to use the Socratic method from his law-school training, examines all points of view and debates them. With a more formal and direct demeanor, Mr. Volcker likes to go straight to solutions.

    In last week's final presidential debate, after Republican John McCain raised questions about his rival's ties, Sen. Obama said, "Let me tell you who I associate with. On economic policy, I associate with Warren Buffett and former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker...who have shaped my ideas and who will be surrounding me in the White House."

    Some Democrats have speculated that, if elected, Sen. Obama could name Mr. Volcker to a post, possibly even as Treasury secretary, for a limited time. Banking and Wall Street executives are pushing the two campaigns to name a new secretary shortly after the election to reassure markets during the transition. The Obama campaign wouldn't comment on possible appointments.

    "I just want to be helpful, because I believe Sen. Obama -- in his person, in his ideas and in his ability to understand and articulate both our needs and our hopes -- brings the strong and fresh leadership we need," Mr. Volcker said in an interview in New York. Mr. Volcker wouldn't provide details of his policy suggestions or his personal relationship with Sen. Obama.

    After leaving the Fed 20 years ago, Mr. Volcker stopped smoking cigars, became a professor at Princeton University and spent more time fly-fishing. His corner office overlooking Fifth Avenue is filled with photographs and statues of fish, as well as a pillow inscribed: "Work is for people who don't know how to fish."

    Following a stint as chairman of a boutique investment-banking firm, Mr. Volcker largely steered clear of joining any Wall Street companies. He set up his own office in Rockefeller Center, where he consults for companies and governments. He has served on a few corporate boards, such as UAL Corp., Prudential Insurance Co. of America and Nestlé SA. He also participated on commissions including the United Nations committee to investigate corruption in its oil-for-food program, and an inquiry launched by Swiss banks to determine which accounts belonged to Holocaust victims.

    The bond between Messrs. Obama and Volcker started with a dinner invitation. In June 2007, Mark Gallogly, co-founder of Centerbridge Partners, a New York private-investment firm, and an early supporter of Sen. Obama, invited a dozen financial executives to meet the senator, including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. President Gary Cohn, Merrill Lynch & Co. President Greg Fleming and Mr. Volcker.

    Along with the invitation, Mr. Volcker received from Mr. Gallogly a "briefing package" containing some speeches by Sen. Obama and news articles about him. Mr. Volcker also read the two books written by the senator.

    In the private dining room at a Capitol Hill restaurant, Mr. Gallogly seated Mr. Volcker directly across from Sen. Obama, who at the time was considered a long shot to win the Democratic nomination over Sen. Hillary Clinton. Returning late that night on a flight to New York, Mr. Volcker told the group he was "genuinely impressed" with the Illinois senator.

    That message was eventually passed along to Sen. Obama's advisers in New York, Michael Froman, a friend from Harvard Law School and a Citigroup Inc. executive, and Jenny Yeager, a fund-raiser. Ms. Yeager told Obama headquarters in Chicago that Mr. Volcker seemed "interested" in the candidate, but in two months no one had followed up with the ex-central banker for fund raising or anything else.

    When Sen. Obama's economics adviser, Mr. Goolsbee, heard about Mr. Volcker's interest, he immediately got excited. "Paul Volcker is a legend! We don't want to use his contacts for money, we want to pick his brain," he recalls saying to a campaign operative.

    Starting in late summer 2007, Mr. Goolsbee had regular discussions with Mr. Volcker. He incorporated Mr. Volcker's ideas, including his early concern that the housing downturn would snowball into a larger financial crisis, into Sen. Obama's policy positions. In a September 2007 speech at Nasdaq, Sen. Obama predicted that because of oversight lapses and abusive practices that cause the public to doubt financial results, "the markets will be ravaged by a crisis in confidence."
    An Early Endorsement

    In early January 2008, when Sen. Clinton was pounding her rival over his lack of experience and stature, Sen. Obama phoned Mr. Volcker to ask for his endorsement. (At that time, billionaire investor Warren Buffett had refused to take sides between the Democratic contenders, saying he would support whoever got the nomination.) Mr. Volcker, a long-time Democrat who had mostly stayed out of partisan politics, agreed, and wrote out his statement in longhand.

    The presidential candidate's first big economic address took place in March at Cooper Union in New York. Mr. Volcker's fingerprints were evident in the speech. The onetime central banker had long been vigilant about strong regulatory oversight; as Fed chairman he rejected big banks' attempts to repeal Depression-era laws to engage in more risky practices like investment banking. New financial institutions and instruments have since led to the repeal or relaxation of those laws, and Mr. Volcker told Sen. Obama that the U.S. regulatory structure must be strengthened and updated for the 21st century.

    With Mr. Volcker sitting in the front row, Sen. Obama told the audience at Cooper Union that the current financial-regulatory framework must be "revamped." He faulted deregulation for the growing economic crisis. "Our free market was never meant to be a free license to take whatever you can get, however you can get it."

    Once Sen. Obama became the expected Democratic nominee in June, and the economy became the central campaign issue, his chats with Mr. Volcker picked up. Mr. Goolsbee would get emails from Sen. Obama's traveling aide Reggie Love or his senior strategist David Axelrod with the message: "BO wants to call Volcker. What's his number again?"
    Emergency Meetings

    In the past two months, financial crises have come one after another, picking up speed with the federal government's July effort to bolster big mortgage insurers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. As the contagion from the subprime mortgages and risky mortgage credit swaps threatened to topple other institutions, Sen. Obama asked for "emergency meetings" with his economic team, about a dozen advisers including Mr. Volcker and Mr. Buffett.

    At the first group meeting in Washington in late July, Sen. Obama said he wanted to hear from each adviser on the worsening economic downturn and asked Mr. Volcker to go first. "The very health of the credit markets is at stake," Mr. Volcker said, according to one attendee. He urged strong action to restore confidence, particularly in the U.S. banking system.

    When Sen. Obama raised the prospect of a package of spending and tax measures to "stimulate" the economy, Mr. Volcker disapproved. "Americans are spending beyond their means," he told the group. A stimulus package would delay the belt-tightening and savings needed, he added, proposing instead better regulation and assistance to banks.

    Laura Tyson, economics adviser for President Bill Clinton and a professor at University of California, Berkeley, disagreed. "Americans can't help but spend beyond their means because they've had no income growth while their costs on gas and food have skyrocketed." She suggested spending money to rebuild infrastructure and create jobs. Even as some others agreed with Ms. Tyson, Mr. Volcker didn't budge. Sen. Obama delayed putting out a new stimulus package, but stressed that he wanted to find the "right balance" of possible assistance.

    When the bailout bill became a political football and the markets seized up, Sen. Obama called the second in-person meeting of his financial team on Sept. 26 in Miami. Mr. Volcker initially said he would have to call in because he was leaving for Europe that day. Sen. Obama, according to campaign aides, called him with a personal plea.

    The next morning, the senator seated Mr. Volcker beside him, an arrangement that was photographed by the media entourage covering the campaign. Mr. Volcker told the group he had changed his mind about an economic-stimulus package due to the global recession, but he couldn't stay to hear the discussion about the approach because he had to catch a plane to Europe.

    In the past two weeks, with the stock market's drastic volatility and weak economic indicators, Sen. Obama presented his $60 billion package, which contains tax cuts and spending to provide public-works jobs to struggling Americans.

    On Monday, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke endorsed the idea of another stimulus package, giving a boost to Democratic lawmakers who are considering one. But congressional Republicans have so far shown little interest in a second spending bill.
    Obama economic advisers: highly respected former Federal Reserve chairmen and treasury secretaries.

    McCain economic advisers: Carly Fiorina, fired for driving Hewlet Packard into the ground. Phil Gramm, author of Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, that created the conditions for the credit crisis we are experiencing now.

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    Are these neo-nitwits related to Joe the fake plumber?

    I guess they must all be rich like him and fall in the top 5% earners category (> $227,000).

    But the reality is, probably only SBR_John and Bill Dozer make that much on this forum. In fact, Joe the fake plumber makes just $40k a year which means he'll save over $1100 in taxes under Obama's plan compared to just $300 for McCoot.

    So why are these morons so worried about how much more rich CEOs have to pay in taxes???? Would it make them sad if they had one less Mercedes in their driveway? or maybe a 25ft boat instead of 30ft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daggerkobe View Post

    But the reality is, probably only SBR_John and Bill Dozer make that much on this forum.
    I doubt it.

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    I'm really impressed with Obama's ground game here in Vegas. I've had a total of 0 calls from any Republican campaign or visit to my house from anyone. in fact - the ONLY time I get calls from Republican campaigns, they disguise themselves as independant researchers that lure you in with questsions with 'no duh' answers only to then plug the Republican candidate.

    After the 3rd call like that, I caught on.

    I'm really impressed by the amount of Obama supporters that go door to door EVERY week in my neighborhood trying to get the word out.
    Of course I'm usually loaded and watching football and throwing socks at my TV when they show up, but I'm glad to see people involved in the process.

    Anyhow, I'm going to early vote for Obama tommorrow and it's about as proud as I've ever been to vote for a candidate in an election. I hope it's a major Dem sweep - and it looks like it might just happen in Clark County - scary as that may sound. Nevada just shouldn't be a blue state - but what have the Libertarians and Republican parties done to make me want to be part? Nothing.



    I guess that makes me anti-American. Go Obama!

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    anyone else being spammed by neoshitheads every day like I am??????

    I get approximately 10 emails a day from them begging for contribution and of course, mud slinging.

    I keep blocking those bastards and reporting them as spam but to no avail. How they got my personal info I don't know either.

    Stop it, you f'n losers.

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