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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinister Cat View Post
    Why do you believe Obama would "raise taxes on a company"?
    Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was one of the many times he said that corporations are not paying enough and he would see that they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinister Cat View Post
    Why do you believe Obama would "raise taxes on a company"?

    Trust me, she knows NOTHING.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sportsgirl View Post
    As late as Nov. 1 2004, many of the major pre-election polls had Kerry over Bush by 2-5%.
    the economy wasnt destroyed in nov 04 and trickle down bullshit hadnt been completely disproven for everyone at that point


    eventually people wake up

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was one of the many times he said that corporations are not paying enough and he would see that they did.
    they should pay more
    wake the **** up and stop defending people who couldnt give a shit about you

    man, crack in alabama must be insane

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    they should pay more
    wake the **** up and stop defending people who couldnt give a shit about you

    man, crack in alabama must be insane
    Ryan, my pet, any business will offset that cost in other ways. It will not come out of their profits. Even you have to admit that. They will either raise the cost on their services or cut back on employees.

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    Mccain is a mix of bush 1 and 2 war mongerer promisimng "no new taxes" remember that line from Bush 1 Nina, yah thats Mccain, lets fight wars and buy everyones mortgage and bailout all these companies yet somehow not raise taxes?????/ Get real Mccain is a liar and fraud and Obama will spend us into oblivion. Country is going to hell get used to it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    the economy wasnt destroyed in nov 04 and trickle down bullshit hadnt been completely disproven for everyone at that point


    eventually people wake up
    Yes, that was the point to my post; that even thought the polls currently have Obama ahead, people will wake up before Nov. 4 and not let such a tragedy befall these United States.

    Nice dog in your avatar.

    btw, Nina doesn't do crack in Alabama or anywhere else.

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    Topgame, I don't like McCain either.

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    well thats good news Nina, I hate both the fvcks I am hoping for a coup or something at this point

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    Gee, I don't know. Maybe it was one of the many times he said that corporations are not paying enough and he would see that they did.
    As far as I know he hasn't actually proposed to raise the corporate tax rate. McCain seems to want to lower it to 25%, Obama seems to be offering a corporate tax break in terms of a per-worker credit.

    His "not paying enough" rhetoric seems to be a reference to the fact that the US corporate income tax is a joke. He has some vague references to "closing loopholes" and "cracking down on offshore tax havens", though it's not clear what he would actually intend to do and whether it would be effective.

    I'd be surprised if he managed to increase corporate tax revenue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    Ryan, my pet, any business will offset that cost in other ways. It will not come out of their profits. Even you have to admit that. They will either raise the cost on their services or cut back on employees.































































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    You know I like you best

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    Obama has stated many times in the debates that part of his economic plan is to raise taxes for business owners large and small and giving a tax cut to the lower class. yea give more of a tax break to the people that dont even pay taxes in the first place.

    both candidates will continue to ruin this country. but Obama will ruin the country in a whole new way via socialism

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmike032 View Post
    Obama has stated many times in the debates that part of his economic plan is to raise taxes for business owners large and small and giving a tax cut to the lower class. yea give more of a tax break to the people that dont even pay taxes in the first place.

    both candidates will continue to ruin this country. but Obama will ruin the country in a whole new way via socialism
    Was Mccain not one of the most outspoken proponents of the bailout? does he not want to nationalize your mortgage and banks? He is a socialist as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    Obama will be worst President of all times
    Unemployment will sore
    Welfare will sore


    This guy was a senator for like 6 months only
    JJ what makes you say that?? You really think Obama could be any worse than Bush!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by teaserpleaser View Post
    JJ what makes you say that?? You really think Obama could be any worse than Bush!??
    JJ makes over $250,000 a year...thats why

    time to pay the piper....

    Uncle Sam wants his cut now

    8 years worth

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    Nina,

    Could you please explain the Phillips Curve to us all then? Macroeconomists and supporting data seem to be at odds with your "theory."

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    I hope you all made the maximum donation to McCain of $2,300. He could really use the cash and you will surely get it back in his tax cuts (assuming you make over $250,000).

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    Lower unemployment, higher wages.

    And it isn't "my" theory. The higher the expenses, the more cuts that have to be made elsewhere. That is just common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    I hope you all made the maximum donation to McCain of $2,300. He could really use the cash and you will surely get it back in his tax cuts (assuming you make over $250,000).
    Guess you missed the part where I stated I don't much care for Mr. McCain either.

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    Damn I new a wasted time getting that economics degree, I should have just used common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmike032 View Post
    Obama has stated many times in the debates that part of his economic plan is to raise taxes for business owners large and small and giving a tax cut to the lower class. yea give more of a tax break to the people that dont even pay taxes in the first place.

    both candidates will continue to ruin this country. but Obama will ruin the country in a whole new way via socialism
    I think it's actually McCain who says that Obama is going to raise the taxes on businesses, not Obama. I assume that McCain says this because Obama plans to let the Bush tax cuts expire for the top two personal income tax brackets, and that small business are often S corporations. I don't know, is this really something to worry about? Going to kill small business because wealthy (and only the wealthy) small business owners pay more personal income tax?

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    Uncle Sam Wants His Cut Now

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    Did you miss the part on overhead expenses? Taxes are considered part of your overhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinister Cat View Post
    I think it's actually McCain who says that Obama is going to raise the taxes on businesses, not Obama. I assume that McCain says this because Obama plans to let the Bush tax cuts expire for the top two personal income tax brackets, and that small business are often S corporations. I don't know, is this really something to worry about? Going to kill small business because wealthy (and only the wealthy) small business owners pay more personal income tax?
    Well let me ask you this question, Mr. Cat. How many people do you know who make under 250k that hire people at decent wages and with benefits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    Lower unemployment, higher wages.

    And it isn't "my" theory. The higher the expenses, the more cuts that have to be made elsewhere. That is just common sense.
    So your "common sense" debunks one of the most widely held, fundamental, and historically supported principles of macroeconomics? You are saying that unemployment and inflation have a positive correlation. Apparently, you should go rewrite the books at Wharton. Care to support your argument with data? I'd love to see it, as I'm sure it would earn you a Nobel Prize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigboydan View Post
    I put up my John McCain on my front lawn next to my American flag.

    Remember to cast your vote for McCain on election day folks.
    Lets pray and never give up, McCain for President

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    You don't think its common sense that something has to be cut for higher expenses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    Well let me ask you this question, Mr. Cat. How many people do you know who make under 250k that hire people at decent wages and with benefits?
    I think you are asking me this because of what you've alluded to in your other responses-- that is, that if those people (who I will concede run businesses that provide good jobs to other people) are taxed higher, that they will hire less people.

    it's not clear to me that this is the case. We are talking about a percentage of the profits from a business being taxed. The higher tax rate won't affect the marginal cost of production. It isn't clear to me that the level of employment should change. Further, because the tax is only on the profits of the business, it shouldn't cause the business to shut down. I don't think it can't be looked at as an "overhead" the way you seem to want to look at it. I don't know-- I suppose it's possible that someone might think "okay, I'm getting taxed too high on my personal income, this isn't worth the headache anymore, I'm just going to shut down and retire", but it seems like a pretty obscure case.

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    Higher wages = inflation. That is common sense. Inflation was the point of this conversation. Is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyF0cker View Post
    Higher wages = inflation. That is common sense. Inflation was the point of this conversation. Is it not?
    No it was higher taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    Damn I new a wasted time getting that economics degree, I should have just used common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinister Cat View Post
    I think you are asking me this because of what you've alluded to in your other responses-- that is, that if those people (who I will concede run businesses that provide good jobs to other people) are taxed higher, that they will hire less people.

    it's not clear to me that this is the case. We are talking about a percentage of the profits from a business being taxed. The higher tax rate won't affect the marginal cost of production. It isn't clear to me that the level of employment should change. Further, because the tax is only on the profits of the business, it shouldn't cause the business to shut down. I don't think it can't be looked at as an "overhead" the way you seem to want to look at it. I don't know-- I suppose it's possible that someone might think "okay, I'm getting taxed too high on my personal income, this isn't worth the headache anymore, I'm just going to shut down and retire", but it seems like a pretty obscure case.
    Speaking from personal perspective, that goes into effect, the office I work in will be minus one employee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadNina View Post
    No it was higher taxes.
    Maybe you should re-read the thread then.

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