[excel]

nice

[fury]

I've seen all the posts about 5dimes that I need to see. I know what I'm doing Monday.

[jeter12171]

whole thing is messed up

[illmatick]

not looking good for 5dimes.

[Jonah]

2 questions:

How did Cubs know the real number?

Why was Clark "rightfully" owed this money? Seems more like a gift and good luck. Tony handled that conversation with class.

[clarkacal]

2 questions:

How did Cubs know the real number?

Why was Clark "rightfully" owed this money? Seems more like a gift and good luck. Tony handled that conversation with class.

I think you mean ncsubowen and he knew the correct number because I was playing with him in the sbr poker room and discussing it with him at the time.

To your second question, I was owed this money because Tony has a recent history of voiding legitimate (non bot) winnings on incorrect payout schedules (Tackleberry). If I was never going to be able to win a large amount, I should not be able to lose a large amount.

[Intuitive_Edge]

No way you'll get that credit. 5Dimes going downhill fast and I don't give a fuk if Tony sees this or not.

Got a good laugh outta that

[Jonah]

I think you mean ncsubowen and he knew the correct number because I was playing with him in the sbr poker room and discussing it with him at the time.

To your second question, I was owed this money because Tony has a recent history of voiding legitimate (non bot) winnings on incorrect payout schedules (Tackleberry). If I was never going to be able to win a large amount, I should not be able to lose a large amount.

Thanks.

[eidolon]

Tough decision. You were at a point where you could view it as you had 25k, and you could buy an account at 5dimes for 3500, but you could also see it as you were just given a bonus of 7000 payout to leave or still get 3500 and stay and have fun.

[chachi]

clark ... congratulations to you

personally I feel "take the money and head for the exit" was the only intelligent option in front of you ...

[Slainte]

I think the best option was taking the whole amount and run away from 5d as fast as you can. Forget about them, your acc number already has a big flashing red light on the top

[vividjohn45]

video poker playing bots. christ almighty. crZY ASS WORLD WE LIVE IN.

[StraitShooter]

simple solution..first off you are one lucky bastard to get back anything at all..I am shocked

ok..so you get all your cash out

whats to stop you from having a "friend" or girlfriend whom you trust to sign up with diff IP and allow you to play all you want at 5 dimes?

5 dimes is a great sportsbook ..overnight lines..parlay everything and its mother and buy all the fuken points you want

they pay and they have the best gambling options anyone who says make a run on the bank and lets all leave is just short changing himself

[quagmire]

"take the money and run" what the hell is wrong with this fool tony?

[Three Seed]

Wasn't the game flawed so that everyone was winning? How did you lose 7k on it?

I'm probably missing something.

[chachi]

his 'refund' stemmed not from the 300% plus game but from the other game where only royal or 4 2s paid out

it was intimated the losses stemmed from multiple separate sessions so a cumulative loss like that is entirely possible if the player's bank was not large enough each session to smooth out variance sufficiently.

[Wulfman14]

clark you were up 19 k at the casino ? how ?

anyway you being such a high roller i think you should have taken half and stayed. the book has a lot of options. then again 5D being able to pick and choose who they want to refund losses to is not fair. but a lot of books refuse to offer bonuses to players that are up whether they be cash back on losses or reload bonuses etc. i came to the conclusion though that tony and company wanted you out anyway and if you negotiated to stay they would have frozen your account in the near future. again how the hell are you up 19k in their casino ?!?

[chachi]

yeah wulf, somehow I doubt if he'd settled for 5k or for half he would have continued to enjoy his account/limits/etc as comfortably as before

[thisisit]

Well I hope this wraps up this 5DIMES thread. Was surprised that you didnt settle as you really seem to like their software, and choices, as for what an earlier poster said I would never set up another acct there. They will be looking for anything that resembles your acct play, and it is not worth it if they closed your acct.

[JMobile]

Any other books that is better than 5Dimes?
I think I wanna switch books. So many 5Dimes problems the last couple months and I'd hate to deal with that douchbag Tony.

[clarkacal]

clark you were up 19 k at the casino ? how ?

I was betting $50 a hand on 25 hand deuces wild and got dealt 4 deuces for 10,000. Also, I played single hand deuces wild and got probably double the amount of royal flushes I theoretically should have. Hey, people can get lucky!


Doesn't mean I'm up at other books...

[nobs]

2 questions:


Why was Clark "rightfully" owed this money? Seems more like a gift and good luck. Tony handled that conversation with class.

There was an error in the system which went against the players. Just as 5 dimes can and does cancel bad lines in the players favor, the rules also state that bad bets will be cancelled if they are in the houses favor.

For example, if 5 dimes accidentally posted the Heat total tonight as 82 instead of 182, and I played the game total over 82, you can bet that bet would be cancelled. As well if the casino odds were accidentally set to pay off say 20 times more than they should, and I noticed it, played it and got up $50,000 then I guarantee you 5 dimes would cancel the winnings once they discovered it.

Same thing happened here. Just in the houses favor. The odds were set lower than they should have. Thus players all lost a lot. Some player noticed it and complained. Then 5 dimes sent a note to all the players saying they would credit back the losses since the losses shouldnt have occured.

Then 5 dimes realized some players were long term winners. Players like Clark. 5 dimes decided to say FUK Players like that who are beating us anyway. We only want to credit back the "average" players, you know the ones who are just going to lose it anyway. But the players who might actually get a payout, well FUK them.

Real top notch book here. Not.

[nobs]

Fact is, 5 dimes would never be crediting back losses in the 1st place if the odds werent set too low. That is something they already admitting in placing the note in players accounts.

In case of a bad line, it is not at the books discretion to decide who gets their losses credited back, just as if I notice a bad line and pound it it would not be at my discretion to decide whether I will let the play be cancelled.

What 5 dimes is trying to pull here would be like me pounding an obvious bad line then trying to claim that the play shouldnt be cancelled because overall I am down with the book.

And I guarantee you, if the bad line went in the players favor, the play would be cancelled, Tony wouldnt be negotiating with the players as to what percentage of their win they should get to keep. They would keep none of it.

In this case, Tony wants Clark to agree to let Tony keep a certain percentage of Tony's bad payout winnings and Tony even uses threat of account closure to try and strong arm Clark into accepting this. Just pathetic thugery is all it is.

[shari91]

Nobs - please if you're going to answer someone's question, have a clue what you're talking about. The whole forum realises you don't like 5Dimes but you do understand clark's payout came as a result of the zabula case right?

There was an error in the system which went against the players.

FALSE. The payout was set at 112%. That means IN FAVOUR of the players. That's why zabula used a bot. There's not much point using a bot when the game is set at a payout rate against you, is there? All you'd be doing is losing money faster.

The odds were set lower than they should have. Thus players all lost a lot. Some player noticed it and complained. Then 5 dimes sent a note to all the players saying they would credit back the losses since the losses shouldnt have occured.

Again WRONG. No one complained. If you actually read both of the zabula's threads you would see where Bill states:

5Dimes wrote to SBR after the conclusion of this case saying they are refunding all losers of this game from March 1 on, the time when the bot player started and they show the payout odds were at 112%. 25 players will see a credit to their account at the start of the week. note: Crediting casino game losers during that time is something they wanted to do after the dispute and was not suggested by SBR and wasn't part of any resolution. March 1st is the date the bot-player started.

Tony decided to refund the losers of a +EV in a gesture of goodwill because they still lost at a game that was mistakenly set in their favour. Clark even stated he wasn't aware that any of this was going on until he received the message about the refund in his 5Dimes account.

If anyone would actually like to see a factual account of what happened - and not nobs' version - here are the relevant threads.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...4-500-usd.html
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/sportsbook...onclusion.html

[nobs]

here comes the moderator to defend their sponsor.

And Shari dont you know by now that I never have a clue what I am talking about. Geez its been almost 2 years and you still dont know that ?

[nobs]

How can he lose $7000 at a game with a 112% payout ? I suppose its possible kind of like its possible that Angelina Jolie will fall in love with me and want to blow me every day for the rest of her life. Its possible I guess, but still I gotta call BS. But what do I know ?

[shari91]

here comes the moderator to defend their sponsor. And Shari dont you know by now that I never have a clue what I am talking about. Geez its been almost 2 years and you still dont know that ?

If I should know you're clueless then you should know that even before I became a Mod I'd be in here correcting something that's blatantly wrong. Some people are getting confused as it is. There's no need to confuse them any more than necessary

[shari91]

How can he lose $7000 at a game with a 112% payout ? I suppose its possible kind of like its possible that Angelina Jolie will fall in love with me and want to blow me every day for the rest of her life. Its possible I guess, but still I gotta call BS. But what do I know ?

As zabula himself said - there are big swings in this game. At one point he went from say 7k (don't quote me, it's in that thread but between 5-7 I think) down to $50 and then back up again.

[nobs]

Shari you can defend 5 dimes all you want, and ur right that I dont have time to read every word of every 5 dimes complaint thread that has been posted on this board. There are just so many. Also, I dont get detailed info like you probably do since you are probably involved in trying to resolve these issues.

Still do you really want to take the position that 5 dimes isnt to blame at least a lot of the time? I mean there are constant 5 dimes complaint threads, this sure isnt the only one even within the last couple of weeks. How about the way Tony handles things, which is like an Ass most of the time. So he takes $14,500 back from Zabula since it was a 112% payout and zabula allegedly used a bot. But then he tries to not pay Clark back his losses ?

So cancel the winnings and try to keep the losses. What a great guy

[shari91]

Wow, it was 7k.

Try to play this game!!! It can lost you 3000 USD per day !!!! No problem, had this!! I never seen more swinging game.. I also wrote here that once from 7000 account I went to like 50 and I bet you can see that in this trus full hand history showen here that doesnt show anything..

[shari91]

Shari you can defend 5 dimes all you want, and ur right that I dont have time to read every word of every 5 dimes complaint thread that has been posted on this board. There are just so many. Also, I dont get detailed info like you probably do since you are probably involved in trying to resolve these issues.

Still do you really want to take the position that 5 dimes isnt to blame at least a lot of the time? I mean there are constant 5 dimes complaint threads, this sure isnt the only one even within the last couple of weeks. How about the way Tony handles things, which is like an Ass most of the time. So he takes $14,500 back from Zabula since it was a 112% payout and zabula allegedly used a bot. But then he tries to not pay Clark back his losses ?

So cancel the winnings and try to keep the losses. What a great guy

Nobs, I'm most definitely not involved in anything to do with Sportsbooks complaints. Everything I posted above was posted in the 2 threads on the case. That info is available to everyone and I see it when every other poster sees it. I'm a Moderator - not a sportsbook guru who should be involved in disputes. I don't have nearly enough knowledge yet to be much use to anyone.

As far as the specific 5Dimes stuff, I'm still trying to wrap my head around it all. But because so much other stuff has been posted the past 2 days that are basically just attacks that derail discussions, I'm spending more time moderating threads when I'm not working than getting the chance to read them. And yeah, I don't think many would disagree that Tony's not the smoothest guy on chat but I personally won't let that be a judge of whether I'd feel safe if my money was in his book.

Clark's case I don't fully understand yet. I'm 100% there on zabula's and almost there with Tackleberry's but not yet here. I need to go back and re-read everything again to try to get a clearer picture of it all.

[MBENZ]

It's really pretty simple Shari.5 dimes needs to step away from the casino business and stick to sportsbetting/horses only.Not just them but the top tier books all need to stop being greedy and stick to what they do best.Back in the 90s there wasn't all this bs.

[chase hardy]

Tony is such a dick. How can you be such an asshole to everyone!

[clarkacal]

Clark's case I don't fully understand yet. I'm 100% there on zabula's and almost there with Tackleberry's but not yet here. I need to go back and re-read everything again to try to get a clearer picture of it all.

I realize there are a lot of posts to read and it can get confusing. Basically this is what happened:

-I get a message in my acct. saying my losses on a particular game were credited back because of an incorrect payout schedule.

-I never receive the credit and chat with 5d management about it, who says I am not eligible for it because I am ahead and considered a pro player. At this point and from the misleading info they give me I still think there was a malfunction with the game.

-I file a complaint with sbr, which is when I learn about the zabala and Tackleberry cases in which zabala's winnings on a +ev(the game I was playing) were cancelled because he was using a bot, and Tackleberry's winnings on a +ev game(not the one I was playing) were cancelled because even though he was not using a bot they cried foul because it was a payout schedule programming mistake.

-After learning about these other cases I figure out the problem with the game I was playing wasn't a malfunction but their error in payout setting (anyone who believes it was the bot that set it off and not the big win size on a -ev game for 5d is kidding themselves). Had I won 10-20k on the game I was playing there is evidence I would not have been paid (Tackleberry case). In light of this it makes sense I should have my losses credited as I would not have had any significant win paid. It can be inferred by Tony's "generous" offer to refund peoples' losses he realizes this is the correct course of action.

-I chat a second time with management, this time with Tony himself, and while he offers to give me half the money owed and keep my account open, I decide to take the full amount and close my account.

[fury]

It's really pretty simple Shari.5 dimes needs to step away from the casino business and stick to sportsbetting/horses only.Not just them but the top tier books all need to stop being greedy and stick to what they do best.Back in the 90s there wasn't all this bs.

It is times like these I can appreciate a barebones site like The Greek.