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    I am a conservative.

    Palin is just a religious retard. That aside, she doesn't know a thing about what's going on in the world.

    And if you want to talk about socialism, look no further than the Bush administration which has just bailed out the banks, expanded the federal government more than any administration in history, and borrowed the US into the abyss.

    Wright was right, so was Ayers at the time.

    And in case you haven't noticed, nobody has done more to gut the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than the current administration. They want to be in everyone's business from the Patriot Act to the UIGEA.

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    Excellent post JC.

    Though it will probably fall on deaf ears here.

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    a junior senator from the illinois is responsible for the economic crisis. thats rich.
    the president of the country isnt responsible for anything, remember that

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    I am a conservative.

    I am a lifelong Republican who voted for Bush twice but... (I know how the script goes)

    Palin is just a religious retard. That aside, she doesn't know a thing about what's going on in the world.

    Who destroyed an entrenched, corrupt Alaskan political network and balanced the budget. OTOH, Obama has used a corrupt Chicago political machine to construct his political career

    And if you want to talk about socialism, look no further than the Bush administration which has just bailed out the banks, expanded the federal government more than any administration in history, and borrowed the US into the abyss.

    There are a number of conservatives who were for the bailout.

    Wright was right, so was Ayers at the time.

    Just appalling. Defending blowing up buildings and killing people.

    And in case you haven't noticed, nobody has done more to gut the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than the current administration.


    And how has he done that?

    They want to be in everyone's business from the Patriot Act

    Nothing wrong with that.

    to the UIGEA.

    He couldn't have signed it if Congress hadn't passed it.

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    You also have failed to mention how Obama personally approved all the mortgage applications the banks were getting, or went out and fraudulently inflated the appraisals. When did he do that?

    There is NOTHING wrong with an organization that was trying to promote wealth and property ownership, it was the BANKS choice to lend approve the loan and then the bond rating agencies who graded them... NOONE ELSE!

    Also, just because a partisan ethics committee ruled for McCain does not mean shit! He took money from a criminal in excess of the legally allotted amount! They just couldnt PROVE he did it knowingly, doesnt mean he didnt do it....

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    Yeah Deregulation of Wall Street (Healthcare too under McCain) which is a constant Repub credo like guns, abortion, isolationist foreign policies, war, & most importantly OIL has nothing to do with our problems today! Its all Obama's fault!! So what if Barack used some shady characters to further himself politically! They all do it! Its how politics work! McCain would have us fight multiple wars on a weak economy and never do 1 DAMN thing to lessen our need for more oil....DRILL BABY DRILL, etc! Taking oil away from Republicans is like taking the curtain away from OZ...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN!!

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    Palin balanced the budget of one of the most meaningless states in the union... $4.4 billion compared to what $78 billion of a state like NY????

    She ran (albeit VERY short time) a state who has one of the lowest poverty/education deficiencies... but she is qualified to be VP???

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    I am a conservative.

    I am a lifelong Republican who voted for Bush twice but... (I know how the script goes)

    Palin is just a religious retard. That aside, she doesn't know a thing about what's going on in the world.

    Who destroyed an entrenched, corrupt Alaskan political network and balanced the budget. OTOH, Obama has used a corrupt Chicago political machine to construct his political career

    And if you want to talk about socialism, look no further than the Bush administration which has just bailed out the banks, expanded the federal government more than any administration in history, and borrowed the US into the abyss.

    There are a number of conservatives who were for the bailout.

    Wright was right, so was Ayers at the time.

    Just appalling. Defending blowing up buildings and killing people.

    And in case you haven't noticed, nobody has done more to gut the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than the current administration.


    And how has he done that?

    They want to be in everyone's business from the Patriot Act

    Nothing wrong with that.

    to the UIGEA.

    He couldn't have signed it if Congress hadn't passed it.
    Ayers was right because the US was killing a lot more innocents and destroying a lot more buildings on the other side of the planet at the time. He was trying to do something about it.

    If you can't see how the Patriot Act flies in the face of the COnstitution and the Bill of Rights, I have nothing more to say to you.

    The UIGEA was put in the Port Security Bill by Republicans who controlled Congress in 2006, not Democrats.

    And you haven't addressed the fact that Palin shows absolutely zero intellectual curiousity about what's going on in the world.

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    why cant people see that we have to stand up against the illegal wars this government starts, from nam to nicaragua to iraq

    how do we do this other than speaking out and killing the men who start them

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    And in case you haven't noticed, nobody has done more to gut the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than the current administration.


    And how has he done that?


    The NSA was just caught listening in on OUR OWN PEOPLE OVERSEAS! Talking to their wives and their children... This isnt unconstitutional???

    WAKE the F UP!!! The policies that were implemented by the Republicans DESTROYED our country and now theyre all running from Bush but were on their knees 2 years ago in front of him...

    Go move to North Korea...

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    You also have failed to mention how Obama personally approved all the mortgage applications the banks were getting, or went out and fraudulently inflated the appraisals. When did he do that?

    You can say it was all the banks if you want to, but the fact is these loans were not occurring until the 90s when Obama's ACORN started pushing for them

    There is NOTHING wrong with an organization that was trying to promote wealth and property ownership, it was the BANKS choice to lend approve the loan and then the bond rating agencies who graded them... NOONE ELSE!


    It was promoting giving loans to people who shouldn't have been getting them.

    Also, just because a partisan ethics committee ruled for McCain does not mean shit! He took money from a criminal in excess of the legally allotted amount! They just couldnt PROVE he did it knowingly, doesnt mean he didnt do it....

    The committe conducting the investigation was equal Dem and GOP. The allegation against him was that may have unduly influenced regulators on behalf of Keating, not that he illegally took money. He was exonerated; he did nothing wrong.

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    Wall Street Financial Crisis perpetuated by the very Democrats that caused it.


    You are so fcn ignorant that its actually scary?? Obama probably won't be able to do half the shit he's proposing but he has shown judgement with Iraq (their president agrees w/the Obama timeline), Pakistan (we're bombing the staging areas), Iran (we're talking to that douche), etc. etc.! This stupid fcn plan to force democracy on the Middle East just got Hezzbollah terrorists voted in office in Lebanon! GREAT IDEA!! The bottom line is Bush has fc'd this country up so bad and let warnings go unheeded that it may end up in WW3 or another Great Depression or both...no matter who is elected!

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    Quote Originally Posted by themajormt View Post


    The NSA was just caught listening in on OUR OWN PEOPLE OVERSEAS! Talking to their wives and their children... This isnt unconstitutional???

    ..
    If NSA people were doing what has been accused of them, then that is misconduct on the part of the employees. That is not Bush's plan. Nothing unconstitutional about stopping potential terrorist threats.

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    It was promoting giving loans to people who shouldn't have been getting them.

    It was promoting loans to minorities and the working class! They werent promoting giving an undocumented, 10% loan for $500k to someone... Which is what has been going on. The BANKS started the altloans because it made them more money!!! ACORN did not push for that... Your logic is so flawed it is ridiculous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    If NSA people were doing what has been accused of them, then that is misconduct on the part of the employees. That is not Bush's plan. Nothing unconstitutional about stopping potential terrorist threats.
    how many of your freedoms will you gave away to stop the boogeyman that we created

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    If NSA people were doing what has been accused of them, then that is misconduct on the part of the employees. That is not Bush's plan. Nothing unconstitutional about stopping potential terrorist threats

    OHHHH look how quick you are to deflect blame now?!?!?! It was BUSH'S PATRIOT ACT and what has came of it that ALLOWED it to take place...

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    This just in:

    Obama Responsible for the Extinction of Dinosaurs

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    He was the meanest little mother f'n 8 yr old terrorist in the history of the WORLD!!

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    What's scary is that you think a corrupt "community organizer" has the first damn clue as handle our military operations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanXL977 View Post
    how many of your freedoms will you gave away to stop the boogeyman that we created
    I haven't lost any of my freedoms.

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    This mortgage shit that caused all this is 90% due to their own greed with these damn ARM mortgages! They would market a lower payment to uneducated or ignorant people that didn't understand the nature of an Adjustable Mortgage! The payment would explode and foreclosure would soon follow! The broker didn't give a fc they got paid!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    What's scary is that you think a corrupt "community organizer" has the first damn clue as handle our military operations.
    did a corrupt failed oilman? does a corrupt keating 5 member? tell us, you have been wrong the last 8 years, why would you be right now? i guarantee you hated mccain a year ago till someone told you to like him

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    What's scary is that you think a corrupt "community organizer" has the first damn clue as handle our military operations.
    hmmm?

    Obama:

    Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan = Right

    McCain:

    Iraq = WRONG Afghanistan = WRONG Pakistan = WRONG

    Who are we REALLY safer w/as president??

    McCain is proposing a League of Democracies....leaving out Russia and China! Wow...great idea...it was called the "League of Nations" under Woodrow Wilson...was a COMPLETE FCN FAILURE and led to 50 MILLION DEATHS in WW2!!

    McCain = 20th Century mind and body!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    What's scary is that you think a corrupt "community organizer" has the first damn clue as handle our military operations.
    WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT OUR MILITARY OPERATIONS RIGHT NOW????

    We need to care about THE U.S.A!!!!!!!!!! He was a community organizer 10-15 years ago! Back when Palin was still doing kegstands in college! And shes going to be the one McCain turns to for advise?????

    You are so naive and stubborn its pathetic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    I am a conservative.

    Palin is just a religious retard. That aside, she doesn't know a thing about what's going on in the world.

    And if you want to talk about socialism, look no further than the Bush administration which has just bailed out the banks, expanded the federal government more than any administration in history, and borrowed the US into the abyss.

    Wright was right, so was Ayers at the time.

    And in case you haven't noticed, nobody has done more to gut the Constitution and the Bill of Rights than the current administration. They want to be in everyone's business from the Patriot Act to the UIGEA.
    i 100% agree about the patriot act, and i agree that the bailout is socialism (of banks no less, *shruggs*) but you solely blame bush for passing it? but whatever

    my beef is how can you say palin is a religious retard and in the same post say "wright was right"
    THAT'S HILARIOUS

    you are completely unbiased!

    but to top it off, you are completely off your rocker for trying to justify Ayers. Ayers was right??? next you'll be telling us that Frank Marshall Davis was right as well.

    You are by no means conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by losturmarbles View Post
    i 100% agree about the patriot act, and i agree that the bailout is socialism (of banks no less, *shruggs*) but you solely blame bush for passing it? but whatever

    my beef is how can you say palin is a religious retard and in the same post say "wright was right"
    THAT'S HILARIOUS

    you are completely unbiased!

    but to top it off, you are completely off your rocker for trying to justify Ayers. Ayers was right??? next you'll be telling us that Frank Marshall Davis was right as well.

    You are by no means conservative.

    Or an American

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimike View Post
    Or an American
    **** off

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    Quote Originally Posted by durito View Post
    **** off
    Who asked for your opion?

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    R u Kidding me???????????

    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he was cleared of all charges against him. McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising "poor judgment" when he met with the federal regulators on Keating's behalf. The report also said that McCain's "actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him....Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate."
    Yeah, and OJ was innocent. But you believe that. I say Guilty, You say: As Sin

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    MS ZERO true CONSERVATIVES supported the bailout pay attention pal

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    Quote Originally Posted by losturmarbles View Post
    i 100% agree about the patriot act, and i agree that the bailout is socialism (of banks no less, *shruggs*) but you solely blame bush for passing it? but whatever

    my beef is how can you say palin is a religious retard and in the same post say "wright was right"
    THAT'S HILARIOUS

    you are completely unbiased!

    but to top it off, you are completely off your rocker for trying to justify Ayers. Ayers was right??? next you'll be telling us that Frank Marshall Davis was right as well.

    You are by no means conservative.
    I think I know where I stand politically.

    Wright was right when he said God damn America. America deserves to get kicked for the mess they have made in the world.

    No, I don't blame Bush on his own for the bailout. Obviously the spineless dems had a big hand in it. However, it was fundamentally Bush's plan they modified and went with. Even without the modifications, it was a socialist plan.

    As to Ayers, sometimes people have to step up civil disobedience to get things done. Many of the foundingfathers were considered terrorists by the British. John Paul Jones comes to mind. Remember, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    The US has directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands, from Iraq to Nicaragua. Does that make the US terrorists? It depends on your point of view.

    Feel free to address Palin's general level of knowledge about the world around her. It's scary when anyone here, including ms, could handle the Gibson or Couric interviews better than her. Those weren't difficult questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC View Post
    I think I know where I stand politically.

    Wright was right when he said God damn America. America deserves to get kicked for the mess they have made in the world.

    No, I don't blame Bush on his own for the bailout. Obviously the spineless dems had a big hand in it. However, it was fundamentally Bush's plan they modified and went with. Even without the modifications, it was a socialist plan.

    As to Ayers, sometimes people have to step up civil disobedience to get things done. Many of the foundingfathers were considered terrorists by the British. John Paul Jones comes to mind. Remember, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

    The US has directly or indirectly killed hundreds of thousands, from Iraq to Nicaragua. Does that make the US terrorists? It depends on your point of view.

    Feel free to address Palin's general level of knowledge about the world around her. It's scary when anyone here, including ms, could handle the Gibson or Couric interviews better than her. Those weren't difficult questions.

    100% agree with every single word here. somebody has to have the balls to stand up to our illegal wars of aggression and thievery of other countries resources.

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