so lets sell all the bombs and jets, do way wiht the military and sit back in our perfect little country and work our asses off so every deginerate can live comfortably off of the hard working citizens
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10-07-08 09:16 PM #71
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10-07-08 09:16 PM #72
"I know how to get Bin Laden. No, I'm not going to tell you. Elect me and you'll find out. In addition, I have a bridge to sell you."
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10-07-08 09:18 PM #73
why
Originally Posted by element1286
why do we need to spend more than the rest of the world on defense. all it does is scare them in spending more. you really should read more instead of just the same high school or econ talking points about trickle down, tax the rich to pay for the poor, garbage
we dont need to spend on defense. we are the ones who use nukes, we are the ones who invade
nobody else does this but us
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10-07-08 09:20 PM #74
Our military spending is absurd. No one is suggesting doing away with the military but there is no reason for it to be the size it is. We need a force that protects America, not one who goes and attacks random countries around the world paving the way for organizations like Al Qaeda to gain traction.so lets sell all the bombs and jets, do way wiht the military and sit back in our perfect little country and work our asses off so every deginerate can live comfortably off of the hard working citizens
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10-07-08 09:21 PM #75
How stupid was that to attack Obama over Pakistan when he says bomb, bomb Iran? Originally Posted by bigboydan
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10-07-08 09:21 PM #76
wars are facts of life. they're gonna happen. some presidents just have the balls to stand up, some dont.
Clinton decided to turn a blind eye to the taliban and osama. as long as it didnt happen on his watch he was sitting pretty
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10-07-08 09:21 PM #77
theres nothing wrong with having a strong defense, Originally Posted by ryanXL977
invading other countries based on UN resolutions is unacceptable
we are a sovereign nation, we act on resolutions from the US congress, not from some global BS entity.
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10-07-08 09:22 PM #78
we could spend 25% of what we spend and stil lbe fine Originally Posted by donjuan
nobody is going to attack us. we are the aggressors. who is telling you others are after you? our government. all they do is lie to you and tell you we need more bombs and more wars. and as long as you keep on swallowing it, it wont stop.
its sad really
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10-07-08 09:24 PM #79
more garbage talking points Originally Posted by losturmarbles
we lambast and vilify other countries if they dont follow un rules, but we dont follow them ourselves
someone has told you everyone else must follow international law but we dont have to
do you understand that your leaders dont follow laws, and you defend this
does anyone here actually read or travel. does anyone here serve in themilitary or just support wars bc its very easy to do without putting your ass on the line
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10-07-08 09:24 PM #80
There are two ways to approach that. Originally Posted by ryanXL977
1. If you believe that the United States should help other countries who are fighting genocide, civil unrest, etc, then yes the US need a strong military.
2. If you believe that the United States should just leave everything in the world as it is, more isolationism, then no the United States doesn't need as strong a military.
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10-07-08 09:25 PM #81
Been trying to stay out of this, but Obama is sounding like Palin. All bullsh!t.
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10-07-08 09:26 PM #82
Sorry but world politics should not be based on some bizarre middle school-esque testosterone. It's not about balls. It's about tact.wars are facts of life. they're gonna happen. some presidents just have the balls to stand up, some dont.
Clinton decided to turn a blind eye to the taliban and osama. as long as it didnt happen on his watch he was sitting pretty
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10-07-08 09:26 PM #83
Are we going to win this war in Iraq? Originally Posted by mmike032
Trick question! It's not a ****ing war, it's us attacking Iraq for no reason.
And yes everyone should have health care, god forbid that the government looks out for everyone. What do you think the purpose of government is? People need to stop being selfish and look out for other people as well. I gladly pay taxes for services such as police, education, hopefully health care, etc....
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10-07-08 09:27 PM #84
if we used our military for the things you listed in number one, which the founders disctinctly said we should not, then we need to not just pick one country to invade, one that happens to have a lot of oil and opportunities for weapons companies to loot our treasury while people here sit back and say we need more defense.
you guys want lazy americans to pay for their own health care, but you want us to pay for other countries health care and removal of leaders who we dont like anymore. WE PUT SADDAM IN POWER, we put these guys in power and then we dont like them bc they dont give us oil and they make up reasons to invade and you guys go along with it hook line and sinker
how many times does the same shit work on you guys?
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10-07-08 09:27 PM #85
obama has got a silver tongue and thats about all
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10-07-08 09:27 PM #86
Then write an extra check to the IRS. Originally Posted by apk2k6
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10-07-08 09:28 PM #87
That is not isolationism..
2. If you believe that the United States should just leave everything in the world as it is, more isolationism, then no the United States doesn't need as strong a military.
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10-07-08 09:28 PM #88
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10-07-08 09:29 PM #89
I believe that it should be around the board, my $100 check won't do shit. Originally Posted by element1286
Do you actually believe that the majority of people will take their $5000 check that is taxed and actually buy healthcare? I'm sure some will, but the majority will use it for bills, gas, etc.... It's not a solution, it's a cover-up.Last edited by apk2k6; 10-07-08 at 09:33 PM.
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10-07-08 09:32 PM #90
youre missing my point. international laws are based on treaties. im not saying that you dont have to follow international law. im saying if the UN passes sanctions on a country that opens up the use of force, the US president can't send troops without some sort of resolution or declaration in congress, basically following the US constitution. Originally Posted by ryanXL977
the rest of your dribble is irrelevant to the discussionLast edited by losturmarbles; 10-07-08 at 09:39 PM.
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10-07-08 09:32 PM #91
these guys dont answer questions
we created every enemy we have
every single one
they dont exist then we make them
iraq sure as hell is the central front of the war on terror. because we ****ing invaded it and made it so
russia was the evil empire, bc we spent so damn much money they had no choice but to buy nukes themselves
we dropped nukes on the japs. nobody else has ever used nukes. we invaded iraq. im still waiting to hear why
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10-07-08 09:33 PM #92
You're right, non-interventionism. Originally Posted by donjuan
But the foreign policy aspect of isolationism is the same.
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10-07-08 09:34 PM #93
neither one of them answered the ****ing question?
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10-07-08 09:35 PM #94
Even Durito has to admit that McCain's last words were much, much stronger and more poignant statements.
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10-07-08 09:35 PM #95
Ryan, I hate when I hear that we're in Iraq because of "9/11"
The thing is, no one has a legitimate answer because we're not supposed to be there. But hey, I've love to blow my tax money on bullshit when it could be used in a positive manner
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10-07-08 09:36 PM #96
There is no way anyone from either party can feel good about their candidate. They both suck. Period.
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10-07-08 09:36 PM #97
do your country a favor and write in Ted Nugent on the ballot.
Ted needs to run this country. If your not familar do alittle reading about his views
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10-07-08 09:37 PM #98
we already have ted nugent as president
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10-07-08 09:37 PM #99
Wat?Even Durito has to admit that McCain's last words were much, much stronger and more poignant statements.
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10-07-08 09:40 PM #100
The part about how he's spent his life putting his country first and the way he illustrated it came across more authentic to me than Obama's food stamps anecdote. Originally Posted by donjuan
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10-07-08 09:42 PM #101
he hasnt spent his life putting his country first
he has spent his life putting himself first
go read about him before you make assumptions
leaving your wife in the hospital to screw a 200 million dollar beer heiress. using that money to run for congress.
country first
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10-07-08 09:43 PM #102
obama is banking on the lower class , want more from the govt vote.
McCain is banking on the hard working, self respectful citizens for a vote
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10-07-08 09:45 PM #103
right.
like bush.
why do we need to spend trillions on weapons and war
can any mccain backer answer this
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10-07-08 09:45 PM #104
So nothing to do with actual policy then?The part about how he's spent his life putting his country first and the way he illustrated it came across more authentic to me than Obama's food stamps anecdote.
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10-07-08 09:45 PM #105
Where are all the people who excoriated Clinton for getting a bj...............I must be missing the slamming of McCain for banging and living with another woman for nine months before getting divorced
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