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    purecarnagge
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    Republicans and Democrats

    You know back in 90's Clinton was president. He was a pretty good president to be honest. Handled business, pretty well and got alot of things done.

    -Balanced budget
    -paying on national debt
    -increased funding to government programs

    Economy was growing and times are good.

    The republicans get elected to office and what happens
    -war because GW BUSH WANTED IT... .
    -unbalanced budget
    -Economy crisis
    -Energy crisis
    -LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH GW
    - Enron
    -Stock market drops most record in history


    Just a couple of points that bother me... Clinton era was seemless.. . good job lots of growth good times... for the American people.

    GW comes in... Things go badly...and 2nd term is more of the same just alot worse...

    Here what REALLY bothers me... The liberal had the balanced budget paying on the national debt. The republican sold our sole to the devil 2 ****ing times... War in IRAQ and Bailout CRISIS. On top of this our standing in the world sucks because we did something a NATO/UN member has never done. Went to war without justification with a country halfway across the world and effectively gained nothing for it. We destabalized IRAQ...whom by the way is IRANs worse mortal enemy and has been fighting them for decades... do you really think SADDAM would allow IRAN to go nuclear... no, he wouldn't he would have gone to war and disabled there nuclear program and done our job for us had we left him alone and maybe tossed him a bone or two once in awhile. So now Iraq has no stability, they don't pump any damn oil, ****ing OPEC or OPAC WTF ever its called. IRAN has nobody to contend with...save ISREAL...wait everyone is waiting for ISREAL to handle this because they get the job done and everyone hates them already... so why add more fuel to that ****ing fire...

    Now we have a republican president that signed a bill into law that will let AIG execs take 440k week long retreats to luxury resorts...

    So is it me or someone else here thats ****ed up...

    Republicans normally balance the budget...
    Democrats usually do crazy stuff..like get us in debt
    Dems would normally be the president to approve a assistance plan like that one. The new deal... Was a plan laid out by democrats.... Now why is BUSH signing the new deal part two...your a ****ing republican, act like one you ****ing retarded non english speaking mother ****er

    I'm done...

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    you are making too much sense in this post. there is no room for common sense in political discussions with most ppl

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    the rumor that the gop balances budgets and the dems dont died with lbj
    reagan committed as many crimes as bush, and only spent less bc it was a dem congress

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    Its the simple fact that everything is absolutely ass backwards with GW BUSH...

    What really scares me more than Obama being elected ( I will vote for him) Is the Republicans not having control of the house/senate.

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    You know back in 90's Clinton was president. He was a pretty good president to be honest. Handled business, pretty well and got alot of things done.

    -Balanced budget


    Let's take an honest look at these issues. When the GOP took Congress in 94, one of the first things they did was push was push for a balanced budget Amendment. Clinton fought and it ended up falling one vote short of the 2/3 majority it needed for Senate approval.

    In the 95 budget debates, Clinton opposed every effort by the Republicans, claiming things like it may be possible "in 7 years." In other words, he didn't have a clue.


    -paying on national debt

    See above. the paying on the National Debt was the result of budget surpluses which Clinton claimed was irresponsible in 1995.

    -increased funding to government programs

    Not sure what that's supposed to mean, but every Administration does that

    Economy was growing and times are good.

    At the time Bush took Office, the economy was in decline and was in full blown recession by March 2001. Clinton handed Bush a crappy economy. Then came 911.

    [I]The republicans get elected to office and what happens
    -war because GW BUSH WANTED IT... .

    Bush had no objectives for war when he entered Office. 911 changed things and regime change in Iraq was a Clinton initiated policy



    -unbalanced budget

    Declining economy (caused by as mentioned above) and military expenditures (again, mentioned above) will cause this.



    -Economy crisis

    Google for Democratic quotes about how all is well with Fannie Mae when the Republicans tried reform.


    -Energy crisis


    These things run in cycles to start with. And how is it Bush's fault that we have not started new drilling or built new refineries.

    -LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH GW

    He was elected with the public knowing about his communication quirks

    - Enron


    Nothing to do with Bush. I can post links. Silly to think he could have caused this after being in Office one year.

    -Stock market drops most record in history


    part of the current sub prime crisis. Find something Bush did to cause this when there are Democratic figerprints all over it.

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    Actually, it all depends on your thinking. If you think that accepting money from from another country such as China, then you're correct.
    If you think that you can rent out the Lincoln bedroom for money, then you're correct.
    If you think that cyou can push the banks t make unqualified people loans by using the Community Develope Act and not worry about the results in the future, then you're correct.

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    MS61853- So as a president of the united states of america... the president has no responsibility, no authority, and no accountability for the following.

    - irresponsible budget
    - unjust war
    - enron's collapse
    - Economic crisis
    - 9/11
    - energy criss
    - record oil company profits

    This is all the democrats... president bush had more ****ed up things happen to him in office, that he never cleaned up over the process of 8 years than any other president.

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    Exactly what do you think that Clinton did to cause a good economy or that Bush did to cause a bad economy?

    Economies run in cycles. Clinton inherited an economy on the rise coming out of recession and Bush inherited an economy going into recession.

    Regime change in Iraq was Clinton's policy. Why shouldn't Bush act upon it, especially after 911?

    Bush has encouraged new drilling; Congress has refused to act on it.

    Bush warned of the financial problems looming 6 years ago. Reform efforts were blocked by Democrats.

    The Bush anti-terrorism efforts have prevented any further attacks since 911.



    Oil companies pay far more in taxes than they profit.

    What exactly are you trying to say Clinton did so right and Bush so wrong?

    What is good or bad during a Presidency is more likely the result of PAST decisions coming into fruition rather than current decisions of which the consequences will take time to be known.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ms61853 View Post
    Exactly what do you think that Clinton did to cause a good economy or that Bush did to cause a bad economy?

    Economies run in cycles. Clinton inherited an economy on the rise coming out of recession and Bush inherited an economy going into recession.

    Regime change in Iraq was Clinton's policy. Why shouldn't Bush act upon it, especially after 911?

    Bush has encouraged new drilling; Congress has refused to act on it.

    Bush warned of the financial problems looming 6 years ago. Reform efforts were blocked by Democrats.

    The Bush anti-terrorism efforts have prevented any further attacks since 911.



    Oil companies pay far more in taxes than they profit.

    What exactly are you trying to say Clinton did so right and Bush so wrong?

    What is good or bad during a Presidency is more likely the result of PAST decisions coming into fruition rather than current decisions of which the consequences will take time to be known.
    not sure I follow you on that one about the oil companies but every other statement is a fact.
    The housing market goes through cycles just like the economy but it wouldnt be this bad if it wasnt for the subprime lending started by Clinton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmike032 View Post
    not sure I follow you on that one about the oil companies but every other statement is a fact.
    The housing market goes through cycles just like the economy but it wouldnt be this bad if it wasnt for the subprime lending started by Clinton.
    Here’s what Exxon Mobil paid in state and federal taxes in the third quarter of 2006 alone:

    Income taxes: $7.68 billion

    Excise taxes: $7.76 billion

    All other taxes: $10.79 billion

    Total taxes remitted/paid: $26.24 billion

    You know how much they made, net, in the third quarter? $10.49 billion. Which means they paid about 2.5 times more in taxes than they made in profit.

    http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/oil...g_a_free_ride/

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    MS 26 days you shitting your pants yet? The election is over Mccain lost

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    The economy does run in cycles

    Good under Clinton

    Shit under Bush, Bush the dumber, Ronnie............

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    Clinton was not good, economy just did well at that time

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