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    What is the play tonight in Boxing? HBO

    Mosely -950
    Mayorga +650

    Over 9.5 -133
    Under 9.5 +117

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    The guys at www.fightjunkie.com are usually pretty good with their predictions. Here is the writeup and the bets for both the fights.

    Fight Junkie Boxing9/27/2008
    HBO Predictions
    By Boxeo


    Saturday night the HBO main event features a twelve round 154 pound battle between “Sugar” Shane Mosley, (44-5, 37KO’s) and Ricardo ‘El Matador” Mayorga, (29-6-1, 23KO’s) live from the Staples Center in Los Angeles California.

    Mosley Opened about a 6-1 favorite over Mayorga but the public quickly jumped on that line, skyrocketing Mosley to a –900 favorite to defeat “El Matador” Saturday night. Mayorga gets the underdog cash at +600. The O/U for the fight has been set at 9.5 rounds, with the over landing at -135 and the under coming in at +155.

    Mosley by KO comes in at -103, while Mosley by decision will get you +188. Mayorga by KO hits the mark at +983, and Mayorga by decision lands at +1457. The odds the fight is declared a draw currently rest at +4000.

    Although both boxers have fought at 154 in the past, I do not feel it is the optimum weight for either fighter.

    Mosley was simply a beast at the lower weights, and even after moving up to 147 pounds was still considered one of the best fighters in the world.

    “Sugar” made the leap to 154 back in 2003, after losing back-to-back fights against Vernon Forrest at welterweight.

    From 2002-2004 Shane Mosley went 1-4 with 1 no-contest. Not exactly a great way to launch your name back into the pound-for-pound limelight. Mosley was able to rebound from those disastrous two years, beating David Estrada, Jose Luis Cruz, Fernando Vargas, and Luis Collazo.

    Up until his first victory over Vargas, Mosley was considered damaged goods. He was fighting at a weight (154) that did not suit his style, and he was looking average against mediocre competition. After he stopped Vargas in the tenth round due to a Rahman like swelling over Vargas’ eye, people sat up and started to take a closer look at “Sugar.”

    However, since the bout was competitive on the scorecards leading up to the stoppage, Vargas and fight fans alike wanted to see a rematch between the two. Mosley quickly agreed and the two combatants raged war just five months later.

    This time around it was all Shane Mosley. He battered Vargas for five rounds before starching the former champion with a single left hook in round number six.

    After his destruction of Vargas there was talk of a Mayweather showdown, but for whatever reason (each side implies the other is ducking) the fight never came off. Instead of fighting Mayweather, Mosley wisely made the move back down to 147 and squared off with the tough Luis Collazo.

    Collazo made a name for himself in a loss to Ricky Hatton. It was Hatton’s first attempt at the 147-pound weight class and Collazo gave him everything he could handle and more in their twelve round affair.

    Although Collazo did not come away with the win, he was able to showcase his world-class speed and boxing skills to millions of people around the world. I guess Shane Mosley was one of those people watching because Collazo quickly got the call for Mosley’s return to welterweight.

    Heading into his bout with Collazo many experts considered the fight to be a real test for the ageing former world champion. Mosley proved the critics wrong, putting on a masterful performance, dominating Collazo from start to finish.

    After such a tremendous performance against a quality welterweight like Collazo people starting whispering that maybe Shane had turned back the clock and was once again going to be a force to reckon with at welterweight.

    Mosley would waste no time in testing himself against of the best in the division, Miguel Cotto.

    So in November of last year Mosley and Cotto waged war for twelve competitive rounds with Mosley coming out on the short end of a unanimous decision.

    Although Mosley lost the fight on the judge’s scorecards (a lot of boxing fans had him winning) there is no doubt that he showed the world he could compete with the best the welterweight division had to offer.

    Now, for some reason, he will take on Ricardo Mayorga at 154 pounds!

    My only guess on why Shane would move back up to 154 after two magnificent performances at 147 is because Mayorga could not get back down to the welterweight limit of 147 pounds.

    Mayorga’s most recent bout was his twelve round majority decision victory of Fernando Vargas back in November of 2007. For that fight Mayorga jumped all the way from 154 pounds to 166 pounds to challenge Vargas at a “special” catch weight.

    The catch weight was a condition of Vargas if Mayorga wanted the fight. Even though Mayorga claimed he would weigh-in at 156 pounds for his bout with Vargas, when it was time to put down the turkey leg and hit the scales, Mayorga came in at 164 pounds, the exact same weight of Vargas!

    The fact that Mayorga came into that bout weighing the exact same as Vargas had a bit of irony to it since Mayorga routinely called Vargas “fatty” during the promotion of the fight.

    When the two fighters entered the ring it was nothing but a slow, plodding affair with both guys huffing and puffing for most of the fight. Mayorga came away with the close win on the cards, but the decision victory over the severely faded Fernando Vargas did little to enhance his reputation.

    Although you can give Mayorga a pass for his average performance against Vargas at 166 pounds, there is no secret he did most of his quality work at 147 pounds. Since moving up to 154 and beyond, his power has drastically reduced inside the ring and he has taken his own fair share of beatings.

    He was brutally knocked out in eight rounds by Felix Trinidad in Trinidad’s first fight back from a lofty two-year retirement, and Oscar De La Hoya flattened him in six rounds, knocking him down three times in the process.

    While I certainly was not shocked that Trinidad was able to put Mayorga down and out, I was surprised at how easily Mayorga folded against Oscar De La Hoya. The brutal beat down at the hands of De La Hoya was undoubtedly an eye-opening event.

    Oscar is certainly not known for his punching power at the higher weights, and when he hit Mayorga he dropped him like a rock. I honestly think the beating at the hands of “Tito” took something out of Mayorga and it wouldn’t be the first time Tito ruined a career (see David Reid and Fernando Vargas.)

    With Mayorga’s wild style, there is a great possibility that Mosley will land at will as Mayorga plows forward. Even at 154 pounds, the speed advantage that Mosley will bring into the ring is incredible. He should easily be able to land three and four punch combinations and then get out of harms way.

    Another significant tool at Mosley disposal is his wicked body punching. In his lighter days he was a vicious body puncher, but since he has bounced around in different weight classes he has not been as dedicated to the body as he was when he was younger.

    The one spot Mayorga supporters may point to as a significant advantage that “El Matador” holds over Mosley is in the power department. Sadly, they would be mistaken if they feel Mayorga holds the edge in knockout power.

    Since his recent move up to 154 and beyond, Mayorga has scored zero stoppages! You have to go way back to the year 2000 to find a fight where he weighed 154 or more and scored a stoppage win.

    Shane is a very rugged and powerful fighter. I don’t believe it will be as easy as Mayorga supports think for him to get inside and just rough Mosley up without taking a huge toll on his own body.

    While I don’t think the greatest strategy for Mosley to incorporate would be to stand and trade with Mayorga, if he chooses his spots wisely, he can get some serious work done on the inside and then move back outside to catch Mayorga as he marches forward.

    Remember… there was a point and time in Shane Mosley’s career when he was considered one of the best, if not the best fighter in the world. He was lightning quick, possessed a wicked body attack, and punched with tremendous force.

    I have a feeling Saturday night’s bout against Mayorga is going to be a brutal one-sided event with Mayorga succumbing to the speed and power of ‘Sugar” Shane before the final bell.

    Boxeo Bets: 4.12 Units On Mosley By KO {-103}
    Krakrabbit: 1.00 Units On Mosley By Decision {+188}
    Grass Hopper: N/P
    Doody: 1.00 Units On Mosley By Decision {+188}
    D3: 1.00 Units On Mayorga {+600} Fight Junkie Boxing9/27/2008
    HBO Predictions
    By Boxeo


    Saturday night on the undercard of Shane Mosley vs. Ricardo Mayorga, undefeated Andre Berto, (22-0, 19KO’s) will look to make the first successful defense of his WBC welterweight title against former lightweight world champion Steve “2-pound” Forbes, (33-6, 9KO’s.) The Berto /Forbes bout will take place live from the Staples Center in Los Angeles California and will be televised by HBO at 10:30pm ET/7:30PM PT.

    Berto opened as a sizable favorite in the bout and currently sits at -1000. Forbes supporters can snatch the plus money + 650. The over/under for the bout is set at 11.5 rounds, with the over costing you -210, while the under comes in at +175.

    Berto by KO comes in at +169, while Berto by decision will run you -134. Forbes by KO hits the mark at +1734, and Forbes by decision lands at +1017. The odds the fight will be declared a draw land at +4500.

    Obviously, with such enormous odds on Berto the oddsmakers are expecting an easy decision victory for the young prospect. On paper it would appear Forbes' best opportunity to pull out the upset would be by decision.

    The reason this fight is expected to go into deep waters is because Berto is in a real solid test against Forbes. The former lightweight champion of the world may not be as marketable as Berto, but the kid can fight!

    “2 Pound” can be extremely hard to hit, and has very fast hands. The problem for Forbes in the Berto fight (all of his fights really) is his lack of punching power. Even though I am not sold on the building materials of Berto’s chin, I do not believe that Forbes possesses the power to expose any weakness Berto may have in the jaw department.

    Although we pointed out the quickness that Forbes brings to the table, there is no question in my mind on Saturday night he will not only be outgunned, but will also be the slower fighter in the ring.

    The one area where Forbes does excel over Berto is in the chin department. Forbes has never tasted the canvas as an amateur or a pro! In fact, you would be hard pressed to point to a time and place in his pro career when he has even been hurt.

    The only way Forbes wins this fight is by decision and even that is going to be difficult. Berto has a very aggressive, crowd-pleasing style that would suggest Forbes is facing a real uphill battle to win on Saturday night. He will not be able to hurt Berto, and the rapid pace and fast combinations should give Berto the edge in scoring.

    Although Berto is the naturally bigger man, I feel the key ingredient for a Berto win is his tremendous speed. Forbes has been in with much larger fighters before and has been able to hold his own but he was usually the fighter bringing the speed advantage to the dance. This time around he faces a bigger, stronger, faster fighter and I think he is going to have difficulty keeping Berto at bay.

    I just believe everything Forbes can do Berto does a little bit better. I like him to control the action inside the ring and possibly even stop Forbes late the fight.

    Boxeo: 1.00 Units On Under 11.5 Rounds {+175}
    Krakrabbit: 1.34 Units On Berto By Decision {-134}
    Grass Hopper: 1.50 Units On Under 11.5 Rounds {+175}
    Doody: 1.00 Units On Forbes By Decision {+1017}
    D3: 1.00 Units On Under 11.5 Rounds {+175}
    Last edited by poetwarrior41; 09-27-08 at 09:11 PM.

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    Mosley inside the distance -110

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    all in on Kimbo Slice

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    Fights are starting now on HBO, hopefully they will both be good?

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    forbes by decision +1000 something is definitely worthwhile.

    this is berto's best opponent to date, and you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZXCVBNM View Post
    forbes by decision +1000 something is definitely worthwhile.

    this is berto's best opponent to date, and you never know.
    I took under 11.5 +200

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    Forbes definately doesnt look like a 10-1 dog tonight. The oddsmakers blew it on this one. Just proves that you put a very skilled journeyman fighter with great handspeed in against a young fighter, the journeyman can give them a helluva fight. Exciting hard hitting fight through the first 5.

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    Berto wins a unanimous decision, nice rough and tough win against a slick fighter.

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    Those 17 pounds Mayorga has put on since the weigh in, are paying huge dividends soooooo far. Mayorga is bullying him all over the ring, completely taking Mosley out of his game plan.

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    but can he keep it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingillini View Post
    but can he keep it up
    Just like Peter North on a 3 scene video shoot.

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    So far, pretty entertaining fight!
    Last edited by poetwarrior41; 09-27-08 at 11:27 PM.

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    Mayorga wins these last 2 rounds this could become very interesting.

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    no way, Mosely has this easy, doesnt he?

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    Mosley floors Mayorga with 10 seconds left, then finishes him as time ran out. Mosley with a 12th Round KO!

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    what a fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingillini View Post
    no way, Mosely has this easy, doesnt he?
    Mosley fought a very boring and uninspired fight from rounds 3-11. Mayorga fought ugly, but he was pressing the action. Dont forget their was the tall black man with the bad hair-do waiving the Nicaraugan flag at the introductions. When he is in the building, anything can happen.

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    Never in doubt.



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    If you had either "goes the distance" "Mosely wins by decision" or "Mosely wins inside distance" you had to be sweating those last few seconds.

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    I will be interested to hear what the scores were entering the final round.

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    wow he stopped it with 10 seconds left, was mayorga out cold or did he have a chance at getting up?
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    One of the judges had Mayorga winning the fight, like i said, anything can happen in this sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE_LOCKSMITH View Post
    wow he stopped it with 10 seconds left, was mayorga out cold or did he have a chance at getting up?
    He got up and got rocked with another shot at 2:59 of the 11th round.
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    So "Mosely wins inside distance" is it?

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    Yes sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by exstatman View Post
    So "Mosely wins inside distance" is it?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poetwarrior41 View Post
    One of the judges had Mayorga winning the fight, like i said, anything can happen in this sport.
    I didn't get that one, either. I guess Sugar Shane wasn't going to leave it in the hands of the judges. Great fight! Even better ending! I didn't bet on this fight but I have not been that excited for a KO in a long time. All the showboating and fist pumping by Mayorga finally caught up with him. I've been a Mosley fan for a long time and this was a sweet victory

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