[donkdown]

It's coming!!

[Iced]

BoDog or Sportsbook.

[Extra Innings]

Will depend....

Going to be looking for American Backers who have intentionally tried to bank around the law past in 2006.

[DrunkHorseplayer]

Hopefully it'll be Bodog.

[Extra Innings]

Hopefully it'll be Bodog.

[Fishhead]

Bodog

[jjgold]

BoDog
SIA

[mighty maron]

First big sportsbook to leave the market by its own decision or the first big book to be more or less forced out?

[Living The Dream]

Bodog for sure

[Fishhead]

Not a good time to have significant money in Bodog at this time, this should be very obvious to most.

[onetrickpony]

hope bodog is gone, such a shitty book

[nosniboR11]

hope bodog gets it too, and bodog becky goes to jail also, would be funny

[WeinketoWarrick]

Another vote for Bodog

[donkdown]

hope bodog gets it too, and bodog becky goes to jail also, would be funny

[RollPlayer]

Hopefully none of them (fingers crossed). But if one of them has to go please be Bodog

[onlooker]

I hope none. I don't want to see any domino effect.

I really don't want to go strictly Vegas again.

[Grind House]

Bodog always cashed me out fast as hell. That's mainly my problem wit any of em. The got some jacked up lines and shit but I don't have a problem wit em.

[Spanks]

bodog

[JoeVig]

Don't be silly it already happened, Pinnacle and Matchbook.

[bobbyfk]

i hope its not bodog

[Waterstpub87]

bodog definatly. Their poker is also a big deal now because all the other sites are gone

[ryanjep]

yeah bodog will go down first with a few other that follow

[donkdown]

Don't be silly it already happened, Pinnacle and Matchbook.

Matchbook looks like a genius right now!!

[easywinner]

The is simple, read the jargon below my writing and then analyze your various documents for deposits and withdrawals from the different books and look at the business models that books and poker sites use. It's pretty straightforward, meaning most of the books do or did violate the same laws that PS and FT just got nabbed on. Only a matter of time before they get what's coming to em. If you're a true gambler and are addicted or actually god forbid make a living off of this, now is the time to move to Vegas and do it legally with no worries of it ever going away or get the hell out of the U.S. so you can use the good legal books not available in the U.S. and not get screwed on lines/juice from the remaining books after the sting goes down. As the market dwindles that means the players get screwed because less books equals less competition equals players get screwed over by non competitive books/lines left available for U.S. players. This country has gone down the drain fast the past 50 years, fuckin sad man. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if it becomes increasingly harder to move money into and out of books violating these laws or if the owners and staff even close up shop and flee to avoid legal trouble. Think about it, if you knew they were coming for you or watching you carefully, unless you had your own army you would run/lay low too. I've already ran into difficulty depositing since the PS and FT thing went down, that never before happened.

[Bostongambler]

Hasnt Pinny already done this?

[easywinner]

Matchbook looks like a genius right now!!

Yep, they must have had some inside info or knew the game was fixed, i doubt they have a psychic on the payroll.

[donkdown]

The is simple, read the jargon below my writing and then analyze your various documents for deposits and withdrawals from the different books and look at the business models that books and poker sites use. It's pretty straightforward, meaning most of the books do or did violate the same laws that PS and FT just got nabbed on. Only a matter of time before they get what's coming to em. If you're a true gambler and are addicted or actually god forbid make a living off of this, now is the time to move to Vegas and do it legally with no worries of it ever going away or get the hell out of the U.S. so you can use the good legal books not available in the U.S. and not get screwed on lines/juice from the remaining books after the sting goes down. As the market dwindles that means the players get screwed because less books equals less competition equals players get screwed over by non competitive books/lines left available for U.S. players. This country has gone down the drain fast the past 50 years, fuckin sad man. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if it becomes increasingly harder to move money into and out of books violating these laws or if the owners and staff even close up shop and flee to avoid legal trouble. Think about it, if you knew they were coming for you or watching you carefully, unless you had your own army you would run/lay low too. I've already ran into difficulty depositing since the PS and FT thing went down, that never before happened.

Great post here!! Do you know u may of been buying Golf Balls or Jewlery?? Hell my one friend had $998.00 worth of womens clothing he supposedly purchased from Malta when he made a deposit at BoDog. These books all did the same thing just go to.ascpay.com or there other site lol americanshooping.com LOL All the big boys used these idiots!! They are busted block it out if u want!! The cold Hard facts here are they don't need a guy to come here and rat out the books they already know they used these same processors and did the same exact thing as the Poker Sites.

[boondoggle]

there is so much fail in this thread...

[donkdown]

I just read the rather long civil case document involving this case.

In short, the government wants $1.5 billion from Pokerstars, $1 billion from Tilt, and $500 million from AP.

More interestingly, the document sheds light on the complicated world of online poker payment processing. It names the people involved, and shines some light on the bogus internet businesses used to get money on and off those poker sites.

And as an interesting footnote, we finally have conclusive proof (as if we needed it) that the old AP owners were still heavily involved in "new UB". The document outlines Brent Beckley's involvement in the UB deposit/payout department. Beckley is one of the original AP owners, and is Scott Tom's stepbrother. The document also highly implies that Scott Tom is still an owner of AP, though it doesn't say so directly.

I'll be waiting for Sebok's resignation and apology (yeah, right).

Other interesting facts:

- SunFirst Bank, the bank that was used to process deposits/cashouts, seems to have been a cooperative venture between Full Tilt and Pokerstars!

- The sites took great care to make it seem like their "businesses" used to deposit and cash out were legitimate, often writing phony reviews of these businesses that didn't actually sell anything. Here is the website of the "OneShopCenter", which didn't actually sell anything:
http://www.oneshopcenter.com/

- Chad Elie, a payment processor, was an interesting story. First he stole $4 million from the sites, and they sued him. Believe it or not, the sites dropped the suit in late 2009 and decided to work with him again? Why? Because the sites got tired of playing the cat-and-mouse game of lying to the banks regarding the nature of the transactions, and decided to go with Elie's offer to establish "transparent" transactions, where no deception would occur. To accomplish this, Elie contacted various small banks that were struggling, offered them kickbacks from each transaction processed, and got a few of them to agree to go along with it. Elie also agreed with Pokerstars to slowly repay the $4 million he had stolen from the sites.

- The above situation with Elie eventually led to the $10 million investment in SunFirst Bank. The investment was made by Elie and his business partner, giving them 30% ownership. $200 million worth of deposits/cashouts were processed by SunFirst between late 2009 and late 2010. SunFirst got kickbacks of $1.6 million for this. Elie reported back to the poker sites that he and his partner would seek out other small banks around the country for the same purpose.

[boondoggle]

Let me repeat...massive cluelessness/fail in this thread......

[Landscaper]

Let me repeat...massive cluelessness/fail in this thread......

Well then whats your take?

[frostno98]

BETUS. These guys advertised heavily, so they must have a very large customer base.

[Extra Innings]

I just read the rather long civil case document involving this case.

In short, the government wants $1.5 billion from Pokerstars, $1 billion from Tilt, and $500 million from AP.

More interestingly, the document sheds light on the complicated world of online poker payment processing. It names the people involved, and shines some light on the bogus internet businesses used to get money on and off those poker sites.

And as an interesting footnote, we finally have conclusive proof (as if we needed it) that the old AP owners were still heavily involved in "new UB". The document outlines Brent Beckley's involvement in the UB deposit/payout department. Beckley is one of the original AP owners, and is Scott Tom's stepbrother. The document also highly implies that Scott Tom is still an owner of AP, though it doesn't say so directly.

I'll be waiting for Sebok's resignation and apology (yeah, right).

Other interesting facts:

- SunFirst Bank, the bank that was used to process deposits/cashouts, seems to have been a cooperative venture between Full Tilt and Pokerstars!

- The sites took great care to make it seem like their "businesses" used to deposit and cash out were legitimate, often writing phony reviews of these businesses that didn't actually sell anything. Here is the website of the "OneShopCenter", which didn't actually sell anything:
http://www.oneshopcenter.com/

- Chad Elie, a payment processor, was an interesting story. First he stole $4 million from the sites, and they sued him. Believe it or not, the sites dropped the suit in late 2009 and decided to work with him again? Why? Because the sites got tired of playing the cat-and-mouse game of lying to the banks regarding the nature of the transactions, and decided to go with Elie's offer to establish "transparent" transactions, where no deception would occur. To accomplish this, Elie contacted various small banks that were struggling, offered them kickbacks from each transaction processed, and got a few of them to agree to go along with it. Elie also agreed with Pokerstars to slowly repay the $4 million he had stolen from the sites.

- The above situation with Elie eventually led to the $10 million investment in SunFirst Bank. The investment was made by Elie and his business partner, giving them 30% ownership. $200 million worth of deposits/cashouts were processed by SunFirst between late 2009 and late 2010. SunFirst got kickbacks of $1.6 million for this. Elie reported back to the poker sites that he and his partner would seek out other small banks around the country for the same purpose.

Someone who is actually smart and does his research

[stevenash]

there is so much fail in this thread...

Did you ever find SportsPicks?
SP where are you?

Did you ever find LGO?
Stuie? Where are you?

Did you ever find JustWin?
Marc? Where are you?

The only fail is you dude.

[MarlinsFan2212]

Bodog. Theyre no better than the 3 Sites indicted.

Infact I always thought Bodog and UB were somehow connected. They were/are the only gambling sites in the world where **** ************ and Debit Cards work. Sometimes on Bodog it will disguise transactions as supplies4art.com or laptop-fuel.com, but other times it will list BARKLEY LTD which was also listed for my UB transactions.