[8ArIvd5]

without pippen, he'd be known as just another high scorer like elgin baylor with no team success.

Mods, please make an emoticon that slaps people. I am in desperate need of one right now. Thank you.

[The Madcap]

Mods, please make an emoticon that slaps people. I am in desperate need of one right now. Thank you.

I hear ya brother.

[ipod]

koby isnt even the best player in the nba at the moment let alone any where near the GREATEST NBA EVER.. jordan wasnt just a great nba player but he was a role model aswell, being better then someone doesnt alway go by stats, koby run the nba name through the press with all his rape stuff, MJ was a champion and a role model to alot of people more then koby can ever dream of.

MJ THE PEOPLE'S CHAMPION

[The Madcap]

without pippen, he'd be known as just another high scorer like elgin baylor with no team success.

Crusty,

it is obvious you are some kid in his early 20's who never saw Jordan play in his prime. Trying to disprove his greatness for the sake of Kobe's is about the dumbest and most immature thing you could do.

Just admit the fact you never bore "witness" to MJ's greatness, and because of this you have no frame of reference. Like a lost child that wanders into a movie.

Kobe might very well be the best you've ever seen. The best of your generation. Make that argument. That's at least a statement you can actually make without people wanting to laugh at you or see you run over by a bus.

[DeeWizzle]

Without Pippen you have no argument. Jordan had Pippen, Bryant had Shaq and Pau. They had the same coach. You wanna taIk stats here you go. End of discussion.

Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan through 13 seasons:

Kobe Bryant
25.1 Scoring Avg 23820 pts 5.3 reb/gm 4.6 ast/gm 1.5 stl/gm .840%FT .455%FG .341%3PT 36.4 minutes/gm

Accolades – 1 MVP(’07-’08), 1 Finals MVP, 11 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 7 time All NBA 1st team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 2 Scoring Titles

12 Playoff Appearances(25.0 pts, 5.1 rebs, 4.7 ast in 175 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 7 Conference Finals, 4 NBA Titles

Rookie Season – 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rebs, 1.3 ast

Best Season – Scoring – (’05-’06)35.4 pts Rebounding – 6.9 reb(’02-’03) Assists - 6.0(’04-’05)

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Michael Jordan
31.4 Scoring Avg 29277pts 6.3 reb/gm 5.5 ast/gm 2.4 stl/gm .840%FT .500%FG .330%3PT 38.5 minutes/gm

Accolades – 5 MVP’s(’88, ’91, ’92, ’96, ’98), 6 Finals MVP’s, 12 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 10 time All NBA 1st Team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 1 time Defensive Player of Year(’88), Rookie of Year(’85), 10 Scoring Titles, 3 Steals Titles
13 Playoff Appearances(33.4 pts, 6.4 rebs, 5.7 ast in 179 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 8 Conference Finals Appearances, 6 NBA Titles

Rookie Season – 28.2 ppg, 6.5 rebs, 5.9 ast

Best Season – Scoring – 37.1 pts(’86-’87) Rebounding – 8.0 reb(’88-’89) Assists – 8.0 ast(’88-’89)

[ipod]

Crusty, it is obvious you are some kid in his early 20's who never saw Jordan play in his prime. Trying to disprove his greatness for the sake of Kobe's is about the dumbest and most immature thing you could do. Just admit the fact you never bore "witness" to MJ's greatness, and because of this you have no frame of reference. Like a lost child that wanders into a movie. Kobe might very well be the best you've ever seen. The best of your generation. Make that argument. That's at least a statement you can actually make without people wanting to laugh at you or see you run over by a bus.

im 22 and from australia but anyone with a set of eyes could see mj is 10x better then koby

[The Madcap]

im 22 and from australia but anyone with a set of eyes could see mj is 10x better then koby

Glad to hear it.

Oy oy oy.

[8ArIvd5]

Without Pippen you have no argument. Jordan had Pippen, Bryant had Shaq and Pau. They had the same coach. You wanna taIk stats here you go. End of discussion.

Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan through 13 seasons:

Kobe Bryant
25.1 Scoring Avg 23820 pts 5.3 reb/gm 4.6 ast/gm 1.5 stl/gm .840%FT .455%FG .341%3PT 36.4 minutes/gm

Accolades – 1 MVP(’07-’08), 1 Finals MVP, 11 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 7 time All NBA 1st team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 2 Scoring Titles

12 Playoff Appearances(25.0 pts, 5.1 rebs, 4.7 ast in 175 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 7 Conference Finals, 4 NBA Titles

Rookie Season – 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rebs, 1.3 ast

Best Season – Scoring – (’05-’06)35.4 pts Rebounding – 6.9 reb(’02-’03) Assists - 6.0(’04-’05)

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Michael Jordan
31.4 Scoring Avg 29277pts 6.3 reb/gm 5.5 ast/gm 2.4 stl/gm .840%FT .500%FG .330%3PT 38.5 minutes/gm

Accolades – 5 MVP’s(’88, ’91, ’92, ’96, ’98), 6 Finals MVP’s, 12 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 10 time All NBA 1st Team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 1 time Defensive Player of Year(’88), Rookie of Year(’85), 10 Scoring Titles, 3 Steals Titles
13 Playoff Appearances(33.4 pts, 6.4 rebs, 5.7 ast in 179 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 8 Conference Finals Appearances, 6 NBA Titles

Rookie Season – 28.2 ppg, 4.5 rebs, 5.9 ast

Best Season – Scoring – 37.1 pts(’86-’87) Rebounding – 8.0 reb(’88-’89) Assists – 8.0 ast(’88-’89)

Please correct. Jordan averaged 6.5 rpg his rookie season. 2nd player in history to average 20, 5, 5 his rookie season. Now 4 have done it. LeBron & Tyreke Evans. Thank you for downplaying his greatness.

[DeeWizzle]

My bad. Fixed

[crustyme]

Sweet Jesus. You have no fuking clue what you are talking about.

You keep listing these names like they really mean anything. Gene Banks and Sid Green were bigger players on that team than Oakley or Paxson. Oakley was a goddamed rookie for crying out loud. And Paxson was only in his 2nd or 3rd season.

Gervin was old and on bum knees. It was his last pro season. That's why he only played 25 minutes a game. And the Bulls were terrible that season without Jordan. Something like 20-40. They only made the playoffs because when Jordan came back they went on a mini winning steak to close out the season and squeaked into the last playoff spot by a game or two.

Their prize was a first round match-up with the Boston Celtics. The 1986 Boston Celtics. Regarded by many to be one of the greatest teams ever in the NBA. So yeah, 1.3 year pro Michael Jordan and his ragtag bunch of washed-up players and fresh faced yougins lost the series to one of the greatest NBA teams EVER. But not before MJ dropped 63 on them in the Garden and had Bird shitting his pants.

Kobe has never faced a team remotely as good as that one. And he has consistently had a better supporting cast.

Are you really trying to tell me John Paxson was better than Byron Scott or Eddie Jones or Glenn Rice?

Do you really think Jordan losing to the Celtics is worse than Kobe missing the playoffs? Are Lamar Odom/Caron Butler not better than Oakley/Paxson?

Lamar Odom has a similar skill set to Pippen but with greater size. He's never been as good as Pippen because Kobe doesn't know how to utilize his teammates like Jordan did.

I'm sorry you were born too late to witness the greatest basketball player of all time, but you don't need to go around crying about Kobe being the best just because you did. Accept it.

Kobe's not even top 5 all time. Deal with it.

bulls without jordan still won 21 games and kept them in playoff contention. after jordan returned, they went 6-9 with him. they still won 9 less games than previous season when jordan played entire season. shouldn't the greatest player make a bigger difference than 9 games?

iceman george gervin still scored 16.2 ppg (3rd leading scorer on the team) behind woolridge (20ppg) and dailey (16.3ppg). oakley nearly avg a double-double at 10ppg & 9rpg.

in contrast kobe had the likes of smush parker, kwame brown, chris mihm, luke walton. lol... no one in their right mind would pick this lousy cast over jordan's superior cast.

1986 celtics were good but not as good as you say as they lost the nba finals. funny that the bulls were the only team they swept as they went the distance in every other series (4-2 in finals).

odom not properly utilized by kobe? yeah that's why he was medicore with every team he's been with until he started winning championships with the lakers. kobe has turned mediocre players in to champions, including gasol who was 0-12 in playoffs, which jordan was never able to do until pippen blossomed in to a hall of famer.

kobe without a sidekick hall of famer & top 50 greatest of all time has won 2 championships in 3 finals. jordan without a sidekick hall of famer & top 50 greatest of all time is 1-9 in playoffs.

kobe >>>>>> jordan

[crustyme]

im 22 and from australia but anyone with a set of eyes could see mj is 10x better then koby

who is koby?

[8ArIvd5]

I suck balls

There, fixed for you. I'm done with your non-sense.

[DeeWizzle]

And it is time to use that Handy Ignore Button... In 3...2...1... Goodbye.

[will2survive]

There's only one Michael Jordan--Kobe Bryant is great but will never be Michael

[crustyme]

Crusty,

it is obvious you are some kid in his early 20's who never saw Jordan play in his prime. Trying to disprove his greatness for the sake of Kobe's is about the dumbest and most immature thing you could do.

Just admit the fact you never bore "witness" to MJ's greatness, and because of this you have no frame of reference. Like a lost child that wanders into a movie.

Kobe might very well be the best you've ever seen. The best of your generation. Make that argument. That's at least a statement you can actually make without people wanting to laugh at you or see you run over by a bus.

i've watched jordan play. he was a ball hog who took more shots than even kobe. he could never win a playoff series because he was selfish and never utilized his teammates because he wanted all the glory for himself. i've witnessed him berate his teammates for shooting instead of passing to him and freeze them out. i've witnessed him never have a single winning season or a playoff series win without pippen.

he could not win until pippen came along and made himself in to a hall of famer & top 50 greatest of all time.

fact.

[crustyme]

Without Pippen you have no argument. Jordan had Pippen, Bryant had Shaq and Pau. They had the same coach. You wanna taIk stats here you go. End of discussion.

Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan through 13 seasons:

Kobe Bryant
25.1 Scoring Avg 23820 pts 5.3 reb/gm 4.6 ast/gm 1.5 stl/gm .840%FT .455%FG .341%3PT 36.4 minutes/gm

Accolades – 1 MVP(’07-’08), 1 Finals MVP, 11 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 7 time All NBA 1st team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 2 Scoring Titles

12 Playoff Appearances(25.0 pts, 5.1 rebs, 4.7 ast in 175 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 7 Conference Finals, 4 NBA Titles

Rookie Season – 7.6 ppg, 1.9 rebs, 1.3 ast

Best Season – Scoring – (’05-’06)35.4 pts Rebounding – 6.9 reb(’02-’03) Assists - 6.0(’04-’05)

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Michael Jordan
31.4 Scoring Avg 29277pts 6.3 reb/gm 5.5 ast/gm 2.4 stl/gm .840%FT .500%FG .330%3PT 38.5 minutes/gm

Accolades – 5 MVP’s(’88, ’91, ’92, ’96, '98), 6 Finals MVP’s, 12 time All-Star, 3 time All-Star Game MVP, 10 time All NBA 1st Team, 9 time All Defensive Team, 1 time Defensive Player of Year(’88), Rookie of Year(’85), 10 Scoring Titles, 3 Steals Titles
13 Playoff Appearances(33.4 pts, 6.4 rebs, 5.7 ast in 179 games) 6 Finals Appearances, 8 Conference Finals Appearances, 6 NBA Titles

Rookie Season – 28.2 ppg, 6.5 rebs, 5.9 ast

Best Season – Scoring – 37.1 pts(’86-’87) Rebounding – 8.0 reb(’88-’89) Assists – 8.0 ast(’88-’89)

jordan without pippen: 0 mvps; 0 titles; 0 defensive player of year; 0 all defensive team; 0 playoff series wins; 0 finals appearances; 0 conf finals appearance; 0 2nd round appearances; 43% win

kobe without shaq: 5 mvps; 2 titles; 5 all nba defensive teams; 3 consecutive finals; 3 west conf championships; 61% win

[crustyme]

Gasol plays for a team that is stacked and has a superstar and a legit rebounding center. Options 3,4, and 5 are pretty legit for the Lakers.

Love plays against the opponents deep bench at the end of games because his team is terrible and gets to play a ton of garbage time in which stats are complied.


You can't just take stats to prove your point. They were complied in two different situations.



yes.

funny that gasol's rebounding numbers went up when he came to the lakers.

love would put up the same numbers if he were traded for gasol. because gasol is their #2 scoring option and their best rebounder.

[The Madcap]

i've watched jordan play. he was a ball hog who took more shots than even kobe. he could never win a playoff series because he was selfish and never utilized his teammates because he wanted all the glory for himself. i've witnessed him berate his teammates for shooting instead of passing to him and freeze them out. i've witnessed him never have a single winning season or a playoff series win without pippen.

he could not win until pippen came along and made himself in to a hall of famer & top 50 greatest of all time.

fact.

Holy shit kid. Who's feeding you this crap?

Do you really believe Kobe has never berated teammates or frozen them out?

And you saw Jordan play?

When, for the Wizards?

He "never won a playoff series" because he had a shitty coach, bumbling teammates, and played in an era of dominant teams.

Jordan had more assists per game than Kobe. Jordan had a higher FG% than Kobe. MJ averaged 50% FG shooting for his entire career. Kobe has never shot 50% for one season.

Kobe's best season shooting the ball is 46.9%, that would qualify as Jordan's 11th best season.

Jordan rarely took shots outside the flow of the offense the way Kobe does. And Jordan routinely got his teammates involved earlier than Kobe.

I'm sorry kid. I don't know who's feeding you this shit, but you don't know what the FUK you are talking about.

If you want a fair comparison, make this one:

Michael Jordan '87 vs. Kobe '05

It's the only fair comparison because it's the only season where both players were established pros, playing without an all-star sidekick, and without being coached by Phil Jackson.

With Doug Collins as coach (a well known bumbler) the Bulls trotted out a regular starting five of John Paxson, Michael Jordan, Gene Banks, Charles Oakley, and Dave Corzine.

With Rudy T as coach (a two-time World Champ) the Lakers trotted out a regular starting five of Chucky Atkins, Kobe Bryant, Caron Butler, Lamar Odom, and Chris Mihm.

Mihm/Corzine are obviously a wash.

Atkins was coming off his best season in a five year pro career. It was Paxson's first year as a starter. Wash

Oakley was in his second season as a pro, whereas Odom was a solid five year vet that had proven one of the more versatile players in the game. Advantage Odom.

Banks had more seasoning, Butler had more game and explosiveness. Wash

So we can accept the teams were just about even. If anything, Kobe had better talent. He certainly had the better coach. And what happened that season for those two players?

Well Kobe had the worst shooting season of his career (43.3%) and averaged 27 ppg.
Jordan shot 48% and scored the most points of his career (37.1 ppg)

The Lakers missed the playoffs. The Bulls made the playoffs.

Jordan's 48% FG shooting would have been the best season of Kobe's career. (BY FAR)

Based on this situation, Jordan is the better player. Do you want to encapsulate this into one season?

NO. Because that would be stupid.

The fact is, who you played with is who you played with. And Jordan's numbers are clearly better than Kobe's. The Bulls numbers under Jordan are clearly better than Kobe's Lakers.

And when you match-up Pippen/MJ in their prime, vs Kobe/Shaq in their prime, you get one team that won 6 NBA titles against 6 of the best non-title winning teams ever, and another team that won three titles in 5 years against mediocre competition.

Kobe might have won a title without Shaq. But not without Phil Jackson, and not without another all-star on his roster. MJ never played a season without Phil Jackson where he had another all-star on his roster. Shaq won a title without Kobe. Pippen never won a title without MJ.

And please, stop bringing up the Wizards era. Jordan had been retired for 4 damned seasons and was 38 years old when he came back. You can bring that up once Kobe is 38.

[crustyme]

doug collins was a bumbling coach? the same guy who led the bulls to the eastern conference finals? the same guy who jordan handpicked to be his coach with the wizards? the guy who is one of the leading candidates for coach of the year this season? lol

whatever he is, at least he isnt a quitter like rudy tomjanobitch who quit in the middle of the season!

jordan was a selfish bitch. he attempted more shots per game than kobe! he would often yell at his teammates for shooting and not.passing to him. he would often go off on tirades telling to not to pass to teammates that took away his shots.

jordan often physically and verbally attacked him teammates, even punching out kerr & perdue. he would often call out his teammates publicly, which caused cartwright to threaten to break both his legs! lol

shooting 50% means nothing as they are different type of players. jordan was a slasher and a dunker whose range was 15ft. kobe is primarily a jumpshooter who has taken 1300+ more 3s than jordan! dwayne wade is similar to jordan and shoots 50% also.

you know youre in trouble when you try and hype up chucky atkins. lol

which kobe led team (non championship team) was comparable to jordans "awful cast" of woolridge (23ppg), dailey (18ppg), iceman george gervin (16.2ppg), oakley (10ppg, 9rpg), paxson? none.

[roninchow]

Jordan make team. Kobe make stats.

[crustyme]

jordan make team lose in 1st round.

[LVBOUND]

We all know its Jordan, Kobe is just the closest one since.

[sparkyasu]

Phil Jackson totally disagrees with crusty

[daimoshokage]

Kobe >>>>>>>>>>> MJ.. Hands down.. No discussion needed..

[d2bets]

lame.

jordan w/o pippen: .430 win %, 0 playoff series victories; 1-9 playoff record; 0 mvp; 0 championships; 0 all defensive teams

kobe w/o shaq: .620 win%; 3 finals; 2 championships; 5 mvps; 5 time all defense; 81pt game

also dont remember jordan scoring 40pts in 9 consecutive games or 50 in 4 straight.

So yeah, that's what, his first couple seasons and then those last couple on the comeback with the Wiz. Haha. Very clever.

[crustyme]

Phil Jackson totally disagrees with crusty

phil being phil. he has never been one to lavish his players with praises. didnt do it with jordan and isnt doing it with kobe. he'll save his accolades for kobes hall of fame induction.

zen master is the master of mind games and one way to keep kobe motivated is to say he isnt jordan yada yada. and when kobe wins him his 4th 3peat and maybe even his first 4peat he will have no choice but to acknowledge what everyone knows, kobe >>>>>> jordan.

[sparkyasu]

crustyme for worst poster of 2011!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Madcap]

shooting 50% means nothing as they are different type of players. jordan was a slasher and a dunker whose range was 15ft. kobe is primarily a jumpshooter who has taken 1300+ more 3s than jordan! dwayne wade is similar to jordan and shoots 50% also.

You really are the dumbest poster at SBR.

[crustyme]

So yeah, that's what, his first couple seasons and then those last couple on the comeback with the Wiz. Haha. Very clever.

how come jordan backers always want to omit his first 3 and last 2 seasons? yet they dont mind counting kobes first 2 when he started a total of 6 games.

fact is, jordan had his best season in his 3rd year and was arguably the best player that season. yet they only won 40 games all season and were swept by the celtics. the same celtics that lost at least 3 games to every other playoff opponent.

jordan had great players around him such as oakley & paxson. they were swept cause jordan was his usual ballhog taking nearly 30 shots a game while shooting a miserable 41.7%.

[rsnnh12]

how come jordan backers always want to omit his first 3 and last 2 seasons? yet they dont mind counting kobes first 2 when he started a total of 6 games.

fact is, jordan had his best season in his 3rd year and was arguably the best player that season. yet they only won 40 games all season and were swept by the celtics. the same celtics that lost at least 3 games to every other playoff opponent.

jordan had great players around him such as oakley & paxson. they were swept cause jordan was his usual ballhog taking nearly 30 shots a game while shooting a miserable 41.7%.

A Kobe supporter calling out another player for being a ballhog? that's hilarious

How did Kobe do without Shaq or Gasol (the most dominant center in recent memory and a top 2 PF)? He got bounced in the first round and didn't make the playoffs. He sure is the GOAT!!

[Bradyd]

Jordan is Jordan.. Magic is Magic.. Bird is Bird. Kareem is Kareem. Shaq is Shaq.. And Kobe is Kobe.. Essentially what I'm trying to say is that Kobe has his own, distinct legacy. Comparing what Kobe has accomplish to Jordan is unfair to both players...

[BettingWizard]

lol I've repeatedly stated that jordan played 3 seasons without pippen and grant, yet he still says 5. He also puts up 7 different teammates, that were role players, and acts like they were all on the same team at the same time.


quit arguing with the dolt


also jordan's best year, statisically, was the 87-88 season

[BettingWizard]

and the final post that destroys any point crusty tries to make


Times Kobe lost in the Finals ( His team favored every single time) - 2 times, no MVP's with Shaq


Times Jordan lost in the Finals ( underdog against Phoenix and/or the Jazz the 2nd time) NEVER LOST, won MVP all 6 times


And Jordan's Stats completely destroys Kobe's in the Finals


Owned.

[NBA_Brosuf]

If we measure greatness by their scoring stats then Id go with that guy who had 100 points per game. Forgot his name but he's an old timer and sex up with 1000 women. LOL

If both kobe and a young MJ game was on, I'd watch MJ. Who wouldn't want to watch a guy who sticks his tongue out when something good is about to happen?

Funny is when you compare an old Jordan with a young kobe. That's like playing with a handicap old man. Jordan in the Wizard Jersey is junk or in this case, a chunky Jordan and we are not really comparing apples and oranges here.

Everyone at one time wants to be like Mike. No one wants to be like Kobe unless you are a rapist. Opps, I didn't say it but just for humor. Kobe is not a rapist. He is just an adulterer in Colorado and other places not given. LOL

[success]

The whole point of the video and thread was to show that it's not even CLOSE. I love Kobe , but when comparing these careers, one sees that MJ is MUCH BETTER. PERIOD