is it hard to prove syndicate play?
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03-24-11 08:08 AM #36
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03-24-11 08:09 AM #37
Maybe I should call them and get an explanation and of course fukkin tape it
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03-24-11 08:09 AM #38
The old and tired "syndicate play" line has been brought out by many poorly run books, even ones with high ratings. Had a friend 3 years ago that was "trying to lose" and hit like 8 in a row. He gets the call from the book accusing him of all kinds of stuff, including syndicate play and he is a wise guy etc etc. If you ever hear a book tell you stuff like that. Time to go quickly somewhere else.
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03-24-11 10:02 AM #39
We have a call scheduled with an individual high up on the Sportsbook.com ladder today.
Hopefully, this one gets resolved.
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03-24-11 03:20 PM #40
Ohh—my.!! Just what I’ve been afraid of myself. I’ve been undecided for months about sending 600us to Jamacia. Found my local just in time for championship week. Now I have 2400 cash in hand. I must be a syndicate player too. “”Hopefully, this one gets resolved.”” DITTO.
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03-24-11 03:26 PM #41
Originally Posted by SportsMozart
That is very true! If your balance in any of the Jazette books goes over $10-15K, you can kiss your money goodbye!Reason to confiscate your funds is always easily fabricated. The biggest illusion about Jazette is that BetUSA for example is "independently" owned and operated and that is why they have a rating B. Or Linesmaker is different and not that bad as Sportsbook.com. That is all not true. So do not get confused. When you think any of Jazette books, think Sportsbook.com. Jazette is all same to the core cause it is operated by the same people whatever the books name might be. They should all have a same rating F- blacklisted!
They do not give a flying f... about their SBR rating or what anybody has to say about them in this forum by the way. They do think that they are the biggest. Those exact words they told me in several occasions.
The business model where you rob 1% of your biggest winners is very profitable cause they take out roughly 60% of all winnings.
I've had dozens of jazette accounts with much more than 10-15k them without a single problem ever. I realize everyone that gets stolen from by them stars off saying they've never had a problem. But, the idea that they steal from everybody is ridiculous.
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03-24-11 03:29 PM #42
I love this term: "Betting on Syndicated Plays". Well then why doesn't the book bet these syndicated plays themselves at other books for much more and make a profit? It sounds good as an excuse though when they are stiffing a winning player.
Last edited by pavyracer; 03-24-11 at 03:34 PM.
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03-24-11 03:32 PM #43
like i said before just play with greek pinny or bookmaker
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03-24-11 04:44 PM #44
Originally Posted by durito
You must be the lucky one then uh? Or maybe you don't play "syndicate" plays. I did not say they steal from everyone. I said they rob 1% of the biggest winners out blind. That is enough to guarantee a quarterly profit!
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03-24-11 09:10 PM #45
No. You just don't know what you're talking about. Originally Posted by SportsMozart
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03-24-11 10:04 PM #46
Well said Originally Posted by pavyracer
Ive always thought this myself when i hear about books "limiting" players
Hell if i was running a book and had a player winning consistently year in and year out i would take their bets and turn around and put his action plus a little extra for myself where i could elsewhere!
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03-25-11 02:45 AM #47
Originally Posted by Thremp
You carry Jazette flag I see. Good... Yet I would shut up if I was you when time comes to talk about competence.
Read about all the complaints about Jazette books during the last 48 months - there are lot of them. Then come here and share your opinion again!
10/13/2010 07:08 PM
Sportsbook.com Group — confiscate $39,000 from winning player
Old story I need to repeat here. 95% of players will always lose in the long run. 1% will always win and the rest 4 are at the both sides of the zero. Now if your rob that 1% out blind for whatever reason, you will always show profit.That is what Jazette does. So shut the f... up!Last edited by SportsMozart; 03-25-11 at 12:12 PM.
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03-25-11 02:55 AM #48
they always pay until they don't
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03-25-11 05:26 AM #49
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03-25-11 10:43 AM #50
i dont really believe there is any syndicates left. Its just a bs excuse!
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03-25-11 11:31 AM #51
why are syndicate plays not allowed at this book?
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03-25-11 03:28 PM #52
Fisher gets more out of his neighborhood trashcans in one weekend than you make in a year son. Remember that. Originally Posted by iifold
why are people always picking on Fishhead
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03-25-11 03:57 PM #53
I "carry the Jazette flag" because I know a liar when I see one. Do you know how that dispute turned out?
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03-25-11 04:06 PM #54
bet jamiaca pays very well. I have a friend that I place money on his future bets with them. I have been paid 4 times on 4 tries.
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03-25-11 07:00 PM #55
Originally Posted by Thremp
And Jazette is not a liar? You are calling me a liar? Is that what you are doing punk? My account with them was closed and I had no chance to place any bets yet. But that is not the point. Justin 7 has said 77 times that pump your balance over $20k in Sportbook.com and don't expect to get paid.
That dispute is just and example for your dumb ass! There are like 40 of them during the last 48 months and most of them remain unsolved. Do your homework and read. You know how to read don't ya?
Hey, how long have you been working for them?Last edited by SportsMozart; 03-25-11 at 07:11 PM.
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03-25-11 07:25 PM #56
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03-25-11 08:18 PM #57
if the guy is a beard (someone playing an account acting as another person), then they should shut off the account. under no circumstances should they ever not pay a player, ever/ Originally Posted by AimingHigh
there are some cases where they can delete a play that was taken on an obvious bad line but that is where it stops.
most sports books know when players are playing multiple accounts, and when they see a player getting the best of every bet. beationg the closing line, they will and should turn off the account.
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03-25-11 08:21 PM #58
the plays are not any good after the lines have moved. this is why you dont want to take the action. for those who get the plays and bet them after they move, the action is welcome. Originally Posted by pavyracer
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03-25-11 08:53 PM #59
i am not sure that the second caller didnt get the best of you on that one Originally Posted by jjgold
lmao
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03-25-11 09:14 PM #60
How many times has J7 had over 20k in a Jazette book? Originally Posted by SportsMozart
And Jazette is not a liar? You are calling me a liar? Is that what you are doing punk? My account with them was closed and I had no chance to place any bets yet. But that is not the point. Justin 7 has said 77 times that pump your balance over $20k in Sportbook.com and don't expect to get paid.
That dispute is just and example for your dumb ass! There are like 40 of them during the last 48 months and most of them remain unsolved. Do your homework and read. You know how to read don't ya?
Hey, how long have you been working for them?
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03-25-11 11:19 PM #61
Linesmaker sportsbook is a bunch of scam artists..don't play at linesmaker the scam book
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03-26-11 12:12 AM #62
And people have the fukin balls on here to ask why I play with a local
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03-26-11 01:26 AM #63
I never once said Jazette was honest or trustworthy. An analogy would be calling you a pedophile because you're a liar. (Yes, if there is confusion I'm saying that you do not know what you're talking about and are lying about the safety of balances.) Whether you molest children is an entirely separate issue from whether you lie. Domain Holdings Ltd (Can we start using the actual name of their business?) will steal from players. Do they steal every balance over 20k? No. Do they steal every balance over 100k? No. How do I know this? Personal and first hand anecdotes from people I deem with little incentive to lie. I would consider any Justin7 opinion (or anyone's) in disagreement with mine to be erroneous and born of delusion. I will back this view with money. Though seemingly everyone who has a viewpoint to offer on the industry suddenly becomes a nit when confronted with a prop bet. Originally Posted by SportsMozart
And Jazette is not a liar? You are calling me a liar? Is that what you are doing punk? My account with them was closed and I had no chance to place any bets yet. But that is not the point. Justin 7 has said 77 times that pump your balance over $20k in Sportbook.com and don't expect to get paid. That dispute is just and example for your dumb ass! There are like 40 of them during the last 48 months and most of them remain unsolved. Do your homework and read. You know how to read don't ya? Hey, how long have you been working for them?
The dispute you cited was paid in full. There was not a single dollar stolen. I personally have had similar issues (actually ones involving more personal loss) with both Greek and Bookmaker that were rectified in a similar manner. While I believe that neither of the two companies (BM/Greek) acted of out malice, it would be errant to say that I "know" why these people were stealing from me.
Your accusations of working for Jazette are absurd. Jazette works for me.
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03-26-11 03:17 AM #64
Originally Posted by durito
Justin 7 is the one resolving the disputes of other players who have gotten in trouble with Jazette. And even if he does not he is aware of most details of these disputes. That is how we form our opinions - by experiences we have. He's personal money is obviously another matter.
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03-26-11 08:16 AM #65
Originally Posted by SportsMozart
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03-26-11 09:47 AM #66
I have three ratings for books:
A - Pays 5-6 figures in less than a week. Actually acts like they enjoy making payouts as much as they enjoy taking in deposits.
B - Pays 5 figures in under a month.
F - Any book who has ever confiscated funds for any reason other than fraud (Fraud includes charge backs, fake names, etc). It does not include using the same IP address as someone else, correlated parlays, syndicate play, etc.
I do not understand why SBR has C and D ratings (Well I actually do as many of these folks advertise) but there really should only be 3 ratings and when a book like Linesmaker pulls a stunt like this they should move to F immediately until resolved.
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03-26-11 11:43 AM #67
Are you alright? Take your pills and go to bed! In the morning look into the topic again! It helps Originally Posted by Thremp
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03-26-11 11:53 AM #68
It comes down to this, there are a handful of legitimate books. End of story. I remember playing at Sportsbook.com because they easily accepted my CC deposits. I read the warnings, but disregarded them because I thought I was so goddaamn smart. I got my first payout in about 3 days from sportsbook.com. I was impressed. Guess what, it was all part of the scam to suck you in. After losing in baseball all summer that year I finally put together like $4,000. Which really isn't that much. Not like $40,000 or something. What did these scumbags do? They slow paid me, told me it would take months to get my $$$ out. I would personally only use Bookmaker and thegreek. There might be a handful more good books. But, that's it. Only way your getting screwed at BM or Thegreek is if the US gov't shuts them down. Unfortunately, that's possible bc the US Government does whatever they want. That's a whole different stoty. Oh yeah, and BODOG sucks too. They don't deserve anywhere near the rating they have. They slow paid me back in the day as well. Outside of the US Government closing down the true elite books, your $$$ is safe.
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03-26-11 12:00 PM #69
And one more thing- Any body that places a wager with Jazette after reading the horror stories on SBR deserves to get their $$$ stolen. Just like I deserved it when I played with those thieves. Lesson learned the hard way. But, it was learned.
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03-26-11 12:02 PM #70
How is arbitrating an "experience"? That is like saying a divorce attorney has experience with marriage.
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