Quote Originally Posted by losturmarbles View Post
karl marx would agree with you. unfortunately, you're both completely wrong. the only thing that keeps us civilized is the law. using government to subvert the law by plundering from one individual to give to another is not civilized, it's tyranny. read my sig: "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that justifies it."
Frederic Bastia
Good luck using anecdotal quotes to try to solve real world problems.

The fact of the matter is, the USA has been socialist ever since its inception. We have socialized schools, hospitals, fire stations, and the biggest industry in the entire world - defense - is socialized.

But if you can find me one country that has ever survived without any form of socialization, please get back to me.