Originally posted on 09/01/2013:

Quote Originally Posted by playmaker79 View Post
25-6 with a loaded defense in the acc....look back to the florida game last year for why fsu fans were so glad to see him gone. The 4-0 bowl record is more depressing for *what* bowls and opponents those games were considering their schedule and talent on both sides of the ball. They were top 5 preseason with manuel each of manuel's last two years and underachieved both times.
More blame should be placed on jimbo fisher imo. Good coach, bad OC. Also if your looking at the teams Manuel played with, every year except last he played with a HORRIBLE o-line. In his jr yr at one point they had 5 fresh starting on the line. Look at Champs sports bowl in 2011 vs Notre Dame. Dude had to run for his life literally every down. Manuel is a good QB. Not saying that Winston won't surpass him but too many people hyping this kid up to be the next johnny football w/o ever seeing him throw a pass..