Originally posted on 11/24/2012:

Quote Originally Posted by SamDiamond View Post
Which "serious" cf models would those be exactly?

Do tell.

Let me guess. Yours and LTProfits?
It seems to me you are overlooking the only thing that matters. If Oregon played Stanford on a neutral field right now, Oregon would be around a -6 favorite. That is the ONLY thing that matters and is the very definition of "better" in the most objective sense with no "opinion" being brought into the equation. You keep bringing in peripheral noise that really has nothing to do with the conversation. Or maybe we are using different definitions of "better". I am defining it objectively, you are bringing in subjective opinion. Now has Stanford closed the gap, certainly, they would have been -14 last week. Do you have the right to bet Stanford +6 because you subjectively "feel" they are better, absolutely, I have no problem there. But I would not call a team better until it would be favored over the other team on neutral.