It's sad if its down permanently. Ken and Russ were as ruthless and cut throat of competitors as there were. Ken offered me a million dollars for 51% of SBR so he could takeover and make Oddsmaker(SBR rating F) an A+ book. Russ once ghosted as my children and claimed he pissed on my front door in Costa Rica. But I learned a lot of very important lessons from both of them and hold no grudges. Hope Russ is going good and MW makes it back.