[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

A hit and run is where you double up (usually a shortstacker) and then leave.

With all due respect, BD, that is YOUR definition (whether I agree w/it is irrelevant), but as the term is most definitely subjective, people are all over the map as to what THEY define as a "hit n' run".

I've seen people (in B&M and online) whine about a maxed buy-in player playing a short time, winning a decent amount, then leaving... "Hit n' run!" (Maybe he had to meet his wife or pickup his kid?... and could only play for a short time for whatever reason.)

Or the guy that's stuck big-time from another table moving over to yours -- then finally catching a quick heater -- and having the good sense to finally leave to minimize his losses... "Hit n' run!"

Point being, not all hit n' run's are the same in definition, nor equality.

It is not against any rules.

It is against good poker etiquette..

Ah... maybe, maybe not.

It's not against any rules because of the obvious: people are free to gamble their money any damn well way they want.. PERIOD.

Now, one is sitting at a friendly home game with their buds and in the first half-hour they're up big and then decide to call it an early night... well, yeah, we can all pretty much agree that's a dick move.

But if one's at a casino or playing online at Stars (perhaps you view SBR poker more like a "buds home game" cuz of the forum community?... that's OK, I'm sure many do) that person only owes the other players they're playing against not to be a scumbag cheater/obnoxious asshole. Nothing more.

Everybody sitting at the table has their own agenda. Everybody is carrying out that agenda. Passing time, having fun, seriously trying to make money (real money sites) or even wanting a free pizza or Ipad... point is, JakePeavy's agenda that particular moment in time is different than Rudy's, which is different than mine, than BD's, etc. And more importantly, everyone has a right to pursure their agenda.

The fact that JakePeavy's agenda doesn't currently mesh with Rudy's isn't JP's fault.

Now let me hasten to add, BD, that my sensibilities are pretty close to yours in that if I'm up I'll def hang around awhile (I tend to play long sessions anyway for most part). You've played enough with me to know this is the case. Believe me, I've been the 'victim' of hit n' runners too many times to count over the years... but, I accept it as part of the game -- cuz of reasons previously outlined -- and def don't whine about it. It's, to me, akin to whining about bad beats. It's part of the game of poker...

Poker sites try and limit this by imposing an timelimit to leaving and re-joining a table with a smaller buyin than you left with.

Say what you will, poker has rules and rules of thumb. Te general rule of thumb is that you should give people fair play chances to regain their chips. That is why there is a rule that you are not allowed to "go south" (i.e. take chips off the table).

Again, with all due respect, BD, you're confusing two concepts here. The above rules you're mentioning speaks to "RATHOLING", not hit n' running; with the operative difference being THE ACT OF PLAYING.

If someone wishes to continue PLAYING (and those that leave and come back are obviously desirous of continuing play) then yes, appropriately, all the chips that were in play should be required to still be in play. Someone trying to RATHOLE is different than a hit n' runner. A hit n' runner is gone like the proverbial fart in the wind; a dirty ratholer is trying to win more of your money with your money.

Want me to prove the difference? You and I can be the genteel poker players (that we are!) sitting at a SBR table, up in chips, and stay for a long while giving everybody a chance to win chips back from us. Voilą!... we've passed the test. Neither Bite nor BD is a gawddam hit n' runner! Congrats to both of us all around!

But let either of us jump off the table and in a short period of time try to jump back on. What happens? Ah, the rules you're stating above kick in, that's what happens! But hey, WTF?... we ain't no stinkin' hit n' runners... what gives? We're here to PLAY (and therein lies the difference; the rules you noted are stopping Bite and BD from being stinkin' ratholers... NOT hit n' runners).

Cheers and good luck all!

CONCUR, fine sir!