[wantitall4moi]

LOL I always love these 'intellectual' discussions on the sports forums.

If a guy can find a $10/hr job. Which for a lot of places is a pretty decent wage, theyre going to gross 20K. Take out taxes youre down to less than 16K, throw in gas and that will range from 800-1200 more taken out. Then throw in travel time for shits and giggles which if it is an hour a day (factor 10 bux an hours since it is still related to work) is another 2500 taken off that. So your 20K, if youre lucky to get that much is now cut almost in half. So basically in a $10/hr job your bringing home less than 50 bucks a day. Closer to 40. That is a 2000 hour a year job at 40/hr a week 5 days a week. 50 weeks with 2 weeks vacation. Which you may or may not get at the start. Probably not. But youre going to work 250 days a year more or less.

So unless you can make more than 10 bux an hour at a 'real' job then all you need to do is do something else that averages 40 bux a day , and that is if you pay fullly on your income taxes. If you do something where you can hide some income you might only need to make 35 a day.

For sake of argument make it 15 bux an hour which about 80% of the work force would never get to start. That gets you to a 30K gross, and after taxes about 22K. Gas and travel take off another 5K or more and you are now down to about 16-17K. So thats around 65-68 bux a day.

So once you start breaking it down it isnt all that impressive.

My cousin gets SSI disability, hasnt worked in about 12 years, been on it for about 10, he has section 8 housing and he gets a little over 1100 bucks a month, AND can make almost 8K before he loses that assistance. He doesnt but he could. So sitting pat he makes more than someone who makes 10/hr and if he wanted to make say 5K part time he would make more than someone who worked 2000 a year at 15 bucks an hour. All his medical stuff is paid for, something I didnt factor into the above examples, but even if you have decent health insurance through your company a family plan is going to be close to a hundred bucks a week. So take that off. But since everyone needs insurance then it might be a moot point, but if you never leave your house to go to work the odds of actually getting hurt diminish greatly so some people might not bother with insurance. Or get something really cheap.

Employment isnt the issue it is the salary rates and work versus reward ratio. They are way out of whack. I dont know what minimum wage is anymore but it surely isnt enough for people to live on let alone make enough to save a little and prepare for a future.

Its all relative to where you live and the cost of living, but as screwed up as the whole economy is right now the 'cheap' places arent really that much cheaper than the 'expensive' places any more.

So while there might be a few jobs here and there they arent going to be paying nearly enough to entice people to get off welfare or stop scamming or doing what they do to make money now. Not many people have the ethics that some here want to display. And I am sure most here wouldnt stop not having to work and LOSE money just to be able to say they are now contributing members of society. Who in their right mind is going to go from getting 15K a year and sitting at home and paying 300 or so in rent because theyre on section 8. To having to work 40 hours a week, lose their housing and start bringing home less than 12K a year and then have to pay for their insurance and 800-1000 for rent? No one if they had a brain.

They want to help the economy? And maybe entice people to work? Then mix in a calculator and look at the system and what it offers. And get a minimum wage that offers people more than what they can get if theyre on welfare or any other government program. Obviously welfare is supposed to be temporary, and Social Security is supposed to be supplemental but nowadays it is the full monty. And even if it isnt that great a living to anyone that is on it that can divide they realize it is much better than the alternative of working. Add in a few kids and the numbers go up exponentially.

[MWade]

u consider 10/hour a decent wage?