1. 10-31-16 11:38 AM #1
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    WTF did Jaime Collins do to get shipped to Cleve for a 3rd rounder ???

    Obviously, Pats organization is notoriously tight lipped.
    Absolutely nothing came out about him being any problem in the locker room.

    Was his contract up? Why middle of season?

    Seems he might have been worth more than a 3rd rounder to someone?
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  2. 10-31-16 11:42 AM #2
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    He is looking for bigger bucks than pats are wiling to offer next year. He wasn't going to take hometown discount.
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  3. 10-31-16 11:48 AM #3
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    You think someone would give up a second rounder? good thing for pats. browns pick is like late second round, cause you're guaranteed to pick first in the third. Pats always looking ahead.
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    wow pretty shocking

    Collins is a damn good player
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  5. 10-31-16 11:56 AM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    He is looking for bigger bucks than pats are wiling to offer next year. He wasn't going to take hometown discount.
    BG,I get that.But I think we could use him this year.
    I guess getting basically a late 2nd rounder was worth it to the brain trust.

    I just want them to find some beef on the O-line.
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  6. 10-31-16 11:58 AM #6
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    Chose Hightower over Collins. Smart move. Wouldn't keep both.
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  7. 10-31-16 11:59 AM #7
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    BG da monies hit the nail on the head. That is the Patriot way as teddy bruschi would say. More like bob kraft pinching pennies
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  8. 10-31-16 12:05 PM #8
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOM-Ganador View Post
    BG,I get that.But I think we could use him this year.
    I guess getting basically a late 2nd rounder was worth it to the brain trust.

    I just want them to find some beef on the O-line.
    I would like more protection on O line, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAKEPEAVY21 View Post
    wow pretty shocking

    Collins is a damn good player
    Chandler Jones wasn`t bad either. At least he got shipped to a (supposedly) good team.

    Collins wakes up on a SB contender, then gets on a Southwest shuttle to the worst team in the NFL.
    Wonder if his agent put out some demands?
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  10. 10-31-16 12:06 PM #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    BG da monies hit the nail on the head. That is the Patriot way as teddy bruschi would say. More like bob kraft pinching pennies
    Yes, he always thinks ahead. I hope he is right.
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  11. 10-31-16 12:08 PM #11
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    kraft notoriously cheap. so tight he squeaks when he walks. they weren't going to pay collins so they did what they always do, move him for a draft pick
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    BG da monies hit the nail on the head. That is the Patriot way as teddy bruschi would say. More like bob kraft pinching pennies
    Not true. Pats spend every $ they are allowed to spend.

    Players should get paid what they are worth. But instead of chasing the last $, they all should concentrate more on
    managing/protecting the money they have.
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  13. 10-31-16 12:13 PM #13
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    Hey BG, are Matt demon and ben aflac like batman and Robin out there?
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  14. 10-31-16 12:17 PM #14
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    Bob kraft is definitely pinching pennies with this move. Collins was a good looking rookie that has done all the right things the coaching staff has asked for and now he's rdy to get paid as a veteran. Teams are transitioning over to using rookies on rookie salaries rather than paying a veteran more money. That's exactly what this move is and that's what has been happening for the past 2 decades since Corey clock killing Dillon went over
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Bob kraft is definitely pinching pennies with this move. Collins was a good looking rookie that has done all the right things the coaching staff has asked for and now he's rdy to get paid as a veteran. Teams are transitioning over to using rookies on rookie salaries rather than paying a veteran more money. That's exactly what this move is and that's what has been happening for the past 2 decades since Corey clock killing Dillon went over
    This has literally nothing to do with Kraft pinching pennies. The CBA dictates how much $ the teams can spend, and with the newish rookie caps, teams league wide are utilizing this strategy. This ain`t MLB thank god. Every $ means something.

    Wonder where the Pats rank in salary paid to coaches/support staff ? Bet it is right at or near the top all coming out of Bob`s wallet.
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  16. 10-31-16 12:33 PM #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingdom View Post
    You think someone would give up a second rounder? good thing for pats. browns pick is like late second round, cause you're guaranteed to pick first in the third. Pats always looking ahead.
    Nah, this is for a compensatory third which means Pats will be picking at the end of the 3rd round.

    Strange move but hard to criticize a franchise that has been successfully doing shit like this for years.
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  17. 10-31-16 12:34 PM #17
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    Teams have to spend that money or lose it. Which means he's skimping in one area to spend up in another. It's pinching pennies from a partial perspective
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  18. 10-31-16 12:37 PM #18
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    they chose hightower and butler (one will probably grab franchise tag) but still Collins is a beast, I believe still banged up now but feel hes worth more than a 3rd
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    Can't argue with results. Good players are shipped out, but it never seems to hurt Pats winning ways.

    (IMHO) True or not, the Boston perception is that Kraft is a penny-pincher.

    I'm shaken by this.
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    I thought chandler Jones was a beast and then he went to arizona and disappeared
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    5 sacks 2 ff 2 recoveries, hes not playing too bad
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    never should have shipped out hernandez
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExposingLines247 View Post
    5 sacks 2 ff 2 recoveries, hes not playing too bad
    Yeah not bad but on nwe he was a top 5 DE that would get solo tackles to boot
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    Let's bring this up after the pats lose the AFC title
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  25. 10-31-16 01:01 PM #25
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    Collins must've been acting up. They don't let guys set a bad example. Last year he was sidelined for a number of games, not even allowed near the stadium, with some sort of nasty std infection to the face. That was strike one and two.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadymcgrady View Post
    Yeah not bad but on nwe he was a top 5 DE that would get solo tackles to boot
    on pace for a few more total tackles, as well as more solo tackles as last year. still a force. Pats have been able to make due without him but he's playing at basically the same level as he did for NE.
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    All you guys who said it are correct: Kraft has to be the cheapest owner going. LOL. If not, he is in the top two. His lovely wife and her Dad were the philanthropist's in this group, not him. He even had to go to Myra to get the money to buy the Patriots, it was her money not his. She even dictated who stayed or got drafted. They drafted some guy (Christian something) I think was his name, and when she heard he slapped his girlfriend in college, (this was like 12 years ago) she told them to nix that deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44 Mag View Post
    All you guys who said it are correct: Kraft has to be the cheapest owner going. LOL. If not, he is in the top two. His lovely wife and her Dad were the philanthropist's in this group, not him. He even had to go to Myra to get the money to buy the Patriots, it was her money not his. She even dictated who stayed or got drafted. They drafted some guy (Christian something) I think was his name, and when she heard he slapped his girlfriend in college, (this was like 12 years ago) she told them to nix that deal.
    Now that is comical mags. Sounds like Jeffery lebowski. No ur Jeff lebowski, I'm the dude, El duderino etc
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    well documented and well known he married myra for her money. yes, he must spend all the money he's supposed to spend on salaries but would rather spend it on younger players than pay this guy the salary he will be commanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostongambler View Post
    He is looking for bigger bucks than pats are wiling to offer next year. He wasn't going to take hometown discount.
    hes happy to go where he's wanted and go 10-35 next 4 seasons
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44 Mag View Post
    All you guys who said it are correct: Kraft has to be the cheapest owner going. LOL. If not, he is in the top two. His lovely wife and her Dad were the philanthropist's in this group, not him. He even had to go to Myra to get the money to buy the Patriots, it was her money not his. She even dictated who stayed or got drafted. They drafted some guy (Christian something) I think was his name, and when she heard he slapped his girlfriend in college, (this was like 12 years ago) she told them to nix that deal.
    I remember that! Christian Peters?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MalikHusam View Post
    hes happy to go where he's wanted and go 10-35 next 4 seasons

    Which certainly is his right. I still want someone to explain to me how Bob Kraft can be such a cheap SOB
    but they just keep on winning?

    I believe BB and his inner circle put a value on each player/position to maximize the balance of the entire team.
    With very few exceptions, that is a hard/fast rule.
    Their payroll is every dollar they are allowed to spend.

    If Bob is cheap in his personal life, like many rich guys, not picking up checks, etc, I don`t give a shiet.


    I bet Pats staff/support etc. is one of the highest in the league.
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    In Kraft's defense, he did pay for the Astroturf at local High School stadium....Know that's not much, but...
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    As parsimonious (ohh!) as he is, one can't argue with results. I don't know how he does it. Well maybe I do. Greatest QB and Head Coach of all time.
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  35. 10-31-16 04:15 PM #35
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    missed assignments and mental errors sealed the deal
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