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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaxMartin View Post
    2 time superbowl MVP, that ainīt no fluke.
    What was a fluke was the Tyree helmet catch.

    Without that fluke Eli is a one time MVP.

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    If his last name wasn't manning he'd be considered an avg nfl Qb at best ...

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    Let's compare him to other players at the position. Now, I'm not saying he's in the top top tier, but some of the comments on here are hysterical. Look at a team like the Bills who haven't had a decent player at the position since the early 90s, or the Jets and Dolphins for that matter. The Giants running game has been awful, and their defense swiss cheese.

    Easily a top 10 QB and with a better defense and a semblance of talent in the backfield he's top 5.
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    Top five QB's in the game today (no praticular order)

    Brady
    Rodgers
    Brees
    99 year old Peyton Manning
    Andrew Luck

    The following QB's you can make a case for are better than Eli, and at the very least belong in the same sentence as Eli.

    Rivers
    Romo
    Kaepernick
    Ryan
    Flaco
    Cam Newton

    I got Rivers 6th best, where one wants to slot Eli between 7 and 12 is all a matter of personal opinion.
    I'll say it one more time, Eli has had only two elite seasons, sorry, does not make him an elite.
    He belongs in the Hall of the Very Good Fame

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    Until his agent says it or manning I don't believe the report one but. This is just to drum up nfl talk by the media. But he should be paid higher then rivers and on the same level as Big Ben and just under Rodgers and Wilson. Mannings have so much money I just doubt these are words out of mannigs mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    What was a fluke was the Tyree helmet catch.

    Without that fluke Eli is a one time MVP.
    And a Welker drop from being a no time mvp. An elite quarterback should make the playoffs every year in that piss poor division.

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    Saying Kapernick belongs in the same sentence as Eli when hes had an all league defense and a crack receiving core is border line slanderous. Eli is in the the 6-8 range I think and based on the team needs of the Giants most likely he should get paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Top five QB's in the game today (no praticular order)

    Brady
    Rodgers
    Brees
    99 year old Peyton Manning
    Andrew Luck

    The following QB's you can make a case for are better than Eli, and at the very least belong in the same sentence as Eli.

    Rivers
    Romo
    Kaepernick
    Ryan
    Flaco
    Cam Newton

    I got Rivers 6th best, where one wants to slot Eli between 7 and 12 is all a matter of personal opinion.
    I'll say it one more time, Eli has had only two elite seasons, sorry, does not make him an elite.
    He belongs in the Hall of the Very Good Fame
    Who's Ryan?

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    If I was a Giants GM I would give him a pay cut. What other team will sign him as the highest paid in the league?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenrick30 View Post
    Who's Ryan?
    Matt Ryan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Matt Ryan
    Oops. He's pretty awful though.

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    Matt Ryan is currently the 11th best QB in the history of NFL. 91.1 career passer rating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHenrick30 View Post
    Saying Kapernick belongs in the same sentence as Eli when hes had an all league defense and a crack receiving core is border line slanderous. Eli is in the the 6-8 range I think and based on the team needs of the Giants most likely he should get paid.
    Kaepernick isn't even top 20 the way he played last year. Anyone not putting Ben in the top 5 can't be taken seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas39 View Post
    Matt Ryan
    Ask Julio Jones is what he thinks of Matt Ryan, another team that could be a force if they had a defense.

    Quarterback 2014 Pass NEP
    Philip Rivers 94.46
    Andrew Luck 86.23
    Peyton Manning 68.42
    Tony Romo 52.92
    Joe Flacco 50.86
    Matt Ryan 48.94
    Aaron Rodgers 48.76
    Colin Kaepernick 41.97
    Drew Brees 40.36
    Cam Newton 31.77

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavyracer View Post
    Matt Ryan is currently the 11th best QB in the history of NFL. 91.1 career passer rating.
    NFL Career Passer Rating Leaders


    Quarterback Rating, see glossary for details
    Different ratings are used by the NFL and NCAA.
    Minimum 1500 pass attempts to qualify as career leader.

    Regular Season Leaders: Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year · Single Game
    Playoff Leaders: Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year · Single Game
    Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Rate Years Teams
    1. Aaron Rodgers (31) 106.0 2005-2014 gnb
    2. Tony Romo (34) 97.6 2004-2014 dal
    3. Peyton Manning (38) 97.5 1998-2014 2TM
    4. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
    5. Tom Brady (37) 95.9 2000-2014 nwe
    6. Philip Rivers (33) 95.7 2004-2014 sdg
    7. Drew Brees (36) 95.4 2001-2014 2TM
    8. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 93.9 2004-2014 pit
    9. Kurt Warner 93.7 1998-2009 3TM
    10. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
    11. Matt Ryan (29) 91.1 2008-2014 atl
    12. Chad Pennington 90.1 2000-2010 2TM
    13. Matt Schaub (33) 89.5 2004-2014 3TM
    14. Daunte Culpepper 87.8 1999-2009 4TM
    15. Jeff Garcia 87.5 1999-2011 6TM
    16. Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955 cle
    Andrew Luck (25) 86.6 2012-2014 clt
    18. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999 mia
    19. Carson Palmer (35) 86.3 2004-2014 3TM
    20. Brett Favre 86.0 1991-2010 4TM
    Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
    22. David Garrard 85.8 2002-2013 2TM
    23. Donovan McNabb 85.6 1999-2011 3TM
    24. Cam Newton (25) 85.4 2011-2014 car
    25. Jay Cutler (31) 85.2 2006-2014 2TM
    Andy Dalton (27) 85.2 2011-2014 cin
    27. Joe Flacco (30) 84.8 2008-2014 rav
    28. Rich Gannon 84.7 1987-2004 4TM
    29. Jim Kelly+ 84.4 1986-1996 buf
    Marc Bulger 84.4 2002-2009 ram
    31. Mark Brunell 84.0 1994-2011 5TM
    Ryan Tannehill (26) 84.0 2012-2014 mia
    33. Matthew Stafford (27) 83.6 2009-2014 det
    34. Roger Staubach+ 83.4 1969-1979 dal
    35. Alex Smith (30) 82.8 2005-2014 2TM
    Steve McNair 82.8 1995-2007 2TM
    37. Brian Griese 82.7 1998-2008 4TM
    Neil Lomax 82.7 1981-1988 crd
    39. Len Dawson+ 82.6 1957-1975 3TM
    Sonny Jurgensen+ 82.6 1957-1974 2TM
    41. Brad Johnson 82.5 1994-2008 4TM
    42. Eli Manning (34) 82.4 2004-2014 nyg
    43. Matt Hasselbeck (39) 82.3 1999-2014 4TM
    44. Ken Anderson 81.9 1971-1986 cin
    45. Bernie Kosar 81.8 1985-1996 3TM
    Neil O'Donnell 81.8 1991-2003 4TM
    47. Danny White 81.7 1976-1988 dal
    Jason Campbell (33) 81.7 2006-2014 5TM
    49. Troy Aikman+ 81.6 1989-2000 dal
    50. Randall Cunningham 81.5 1985-2001 4TM
    Dave Krieg 81.5 1980-1998 6TM
    52. Jake Delhomme 81.3 1999-2011 4TM
    53. Kyle Orton 81.2 2005-2014 5TM
    54. Boomer Esiason 81.1 1984-1997 3TM
    55. Warren Moon+ 80.9 1984-2000 4TM
    56. Jeff Hostetler 80.5 1985-1997 3TM
    Bart Starr+ 80.5 1956-1971 gnb
    58. Fran Tarkenton+ 80.4 1961-1978 2TM
    Ken O'Brien 80.4 1984-1993 2TM
    Jeff George 80.4 1990-2001 5TM
    Michael Vick (34) 80.4 2001-2014 3TM
    62. Steve Beuerlein 80.3 1988-2003 6TM
    63. Dan Fouts+ 80.2 1973-1987 sdg
    64. Matt Cassel (32) 80.1 2005-2014 3TM
    65. John Elway+ 79.9 1983-1998 den
    66. Tony Eason 79.7 1983-1990 2TM
    67. Elvis Grbac 79.6 1994-2001 3TM
    68. Ryan Fitzpatrick (32) 79.5 2005-2014 5TM
    69. Sam Bradford (27) 79.3 2010-2014 ram
    70. Chris Chandler 79.1 1988-2004 7TM
    71. Mark Rypien 78.9 1988-2001 5TM
    Byron Leftwich 78.9 2003-2012 4TM
    73. Jim Everett 78.6 1986-1997 3TM
    74. Aaron Brooks 78.5 2000-2006 2TM
    Phil Simms 78.5 1979-1993 nyg
    76. Johnny Unitas+ 78.2 1956-1973 2TM
    Jim McMahon 78.2 1982-1996 6TM
    Bert Jones 78.2 1973-1982 2TM
    79. Bobby Hebert 78.0 1985-1996 2TM
    Jeff Blake 78.0 1992-2005 7TM
    81. Josh Freeman 77.8 2009-2013 2TM
    82. Frank Ryan 77.6 1958-1970 3TM
    Jim Harbaugh 77.6 1987-2000 4TM
    84. Joe Theismann 77.4 1974-1985 was
    Jon Kitna 77.4 1997-2013 4TM
    86. Charlie Batch 77.2 1998-2012 2TM
    87. Drew Bledsoe 77.1 1993-2006 3TM
    Jay Fiedler 77.1 1995-2005 5TM
    Bob Griese+ 77.1 1967-1980 mia
    90. Bill Kenney 77.0 1980-1988 kan
    91. Gary Danielson 76.6 1976-1988 2TM
    Erik Kramer 76.6 1987-1999 4TM
    93. Doug Flutie 76.3 1986-2005 4TM
    94. Josh McCown (35) 76.1 2002-2014 6TM
    95. Stan Humphries 75.8 1989-1997 2TM
    96. Wade Wilson 75.6 1981-1998 5TM
    97. Chad Henne (29) 75.5 2008-2014 2TM
    98. Steve Bartkowski 75.4 1975-1986 2TM
    99. Ken Stabler 75.3 1970-1984 3TM
    Scott Mitchell 75.3 1991-2001 4TM
    Steve Bono 75.3 1985-1999 7TM
    102. Tim Couch 75.1 1999-2003 cle
    Norm Van Brocklin+ 75.1 1949-1960 2TM
    104. Vinny Testaverde 75.0 1987-2007 7TM
    Sid Luckman+ 75.0 1939-1950 chi
    106. Chris Miller 74.9 1987-1999 3TM
    David Carr 74.9 2002-2012 4TM
    108. Don Meredith 74.8 1960-1968 dal
    Brian Sipe 74.8 1974-1983 cle
    110. Jake Plummer 74.6 1997-2006 2TM
    111. Y.A. Tittle+ 74.3 1948-1964 3TM
    Roman Gabriel 74.3 1962-1977 2TM
    113. Steve DeBerg 74.2 1978-1998 6TM
    Gus Frerotte 74.2 1994-2008 7TM
    115. Mark Sanchez (28) 74.1 2009-2014 2TM
    Earl Morrall 74.1 1956-1976 6TM
    117. Kerry Collins 73.8 1995-2011 6TM
    118. Craig Morton 73.5 1965-1982 3TM
    Frankie Albert 73.5 1946-1952 sfo
    120. Rodney Peete 73.3 1989-2004 6TM
    121. Daryle Lamonica 72.9 1963-1974 2TM
    Greg Landry 72.9 1968-1984 3TM
    Don Majkowski 72.9 1987-1996 3TM
    124. Tommy Kramer 72.8 1977-1990 2TM
    Ron Jaworski 72.8 1974-1989 4TM
    126. Tony Banks 72.4 1996-2005 4TM
    127. Bubby Brister 72.3 1986-2000 5TM
    John Brodie 72.3 1957-1973 sfo
    129. Milt Plum 72.2 1957-1969 4TM
    Sammy Baugh+ 72.2 1937-1952 was
    Billy Wade 72.2 1954-1966 2TM
    132. Jay Schroeder 71.7 1985-1994 4TM
    133. Billy Kilmer 71.6 1961-1978 3TM
    134. Bill Munson 71.5 1964-1979 5TM
    135. Rex Grossman (34) 71.4 2003-2013 3TM
    136. Derek Anderson (31) 71.3 2006-2014 3TM
    137. Lynn Dickey 70.9 1971-1985 2TM
    Terry Bradshaw+ 70.9 1970-1983 pit
    139. Kordell Stewart 70.7 1995-2005 3TM
    140. Bill Nelsen 70.2 1963-1972 2TM
    Trent Dilfer 70.2 1994-2007 5TM
    142. Vince Ferragamo 70.1 1977-1986 3TM
    143. Steve Grogan 69.6 1975-1990 nwe
    144. Kyle Boller 69.5 2003-2011 3TM
    145. Joey Harrington 69.4 2002-2007 3TM
    Doug Williams 69.4 1978-1989 2TM
    147. Charley Johnson 69.2 1961-1975 3TM
    148. Mike Tomczak 68.9 1985-1999 4TM
    149. Eric Hipple 68.7 1980-1989 det
    150. Joe Ferguson 68.4 1973-1990 4TM
    151. Charlie Conerly 68.2 1948-1961 nyg
    152. Dave Brown 67.9 1992-2001 2TM
    153. Marc Wilson 67.7 1980-1990 2TM
    Billy Joe Tolliver 67.7 1989-1999 5TM
    155. Tom Flores 67.6 1960-1969 3TM
    Richard Todd 67.6 1976-1985 2TM
    157. Jim Plunkett 67.5 1971-1986 3TM
    158. John Hadl 67.4 1962-1977 4TM
    159. Jim Zorn 67.3 1976-1987 3TM
    160. Archie Manning 67.1 1971-1984 3TM
    161. Jim Hart 66.6 1966-1984 2TM
    162. Joe Namath+ 65.5 1965-1977 2TM
    Norm Snead 65.5 1961-1976 5TM
    164. Rick Mirer 63.5 1993-2003 5TM
    165. Bobby Layne+ 63.4 1948-1962 4TM
    166. Mike Livingston 63.3 1968-1979 kan
    Mike Pagel 63.3 1982-1993 3TM
    Jack Trudeau 63.3 1986-1995 3TM
    169. Ed Brown 62.8 1954-1965 3TM
    170. Mark Malone 61.9 1980-1989 3TM
    171. Bob Waterfield+ 61.6 1945-1952 ram
    172. Eddie LeBaron 61.4 1952-1963 2TM
    173. George Blanda+ 60.6 1949-1975 4TM
    174. Babe Parilli 59.6 1952-1969 5TM
    175. Dan Pastorini 59.1 1971-1983 4TM
    176. Jack Kemp 57.3 1957-1969 3TM
    177. Tobin Rote 56.8 1950-1966 4TM
    178. Cotton Davidson 54.9 1954-1968 3TM
    179. Mike Phipps 52.6 1970-1981 2TM
    180. Frank Tripucka 52.2 1949-1963 4TM


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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    Kaepernick isn't even top 20 the way he played last year. Anyone not putting Ben in the top 5 can't be taken seriously.
    When I have ever put Kaepernick in the top 5.
    Win valuable prizes, two different type QB's but you can make a case for Kaepernick and I'm not a fan of his or the 49'ers.

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    Rivers is better than Manning.

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    Luck
    Rodgers
    Big Ben
    Brady
    Wilson
    Rivers
    Ryan
    Brees
    Peyton
    Newton
    Romo
    Stafford



    I would definitely take all of these guys for this season over Eli.....He's good enough to win and ups his game in the playoffs but his INTs cannot be overlooked.....Also needs great protection to succeed which he hasn't had for a while I admit

    I would say him and Flacco are the next best then maybe Kaepernick....Bridgewater I expect to also make a big jump this season
    Last edited by MoneyLineDawg; 08-18-15 at 11:11 PM.

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    4 out of the top 12 out of your list dont have a super bowl. Would you rather have a qb that comes up big in the playoffs or someone who looks good on the stats sheet. I would rather have the first.

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    also remember the last time people laughed at him when he said he was as good as brady before the season started. Hmmm what did he do that year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goduke View Post
    4 out of the top 12 out of your list dont have a super bowl. Would you rather have a qb that comes up big in the playoffs or someone who looks good on the stats sheet. I would rather have the first.
    Superbowl isn't the end all be all when comparing qbs.....Giants D-line/Pass rush was the main reason for their playoff runs and that's the truth

    Eli is overall decent but those qbs are better at this point in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    Luck
    Rodgers
    Big Ben
    Brady
    Wilson
    Rivers
    Ryan
    Brees
    Peyton
    Newton
    Romo
    Stafford



    I would definitely take all of these guys for this season over Eli.....He's good enough to win and ups his game in the playoffs but his INTs cannot be overlooked.....Also needs great protection to succeed which he hasn't had for a while I admit

    I would say him and Flacco are the next best then maybe Kaepernick....Bridgewater I expect to also make a big jump this season
    You're taking Stafford, Romo, Newton, Ryan and Rivers over Flacco?

    Dude is a complete stud in the playoffs, what the hell have those guys done?

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    A list that has josh mcCown, jay cutler, and Stan humpries in the top 100 is bogus. I saw them all play. Definitely not top 100 qb's no matter what scale you use.

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    One thing you guys always forget with these stupid QB ranking lists, it's not like the Giants can choose between Eli and Rodgers. If the Giants don't want to pay Eli, who else is available? Realistically, it's 1.Eli 2.Nassib 3.Stanzi, that's the list for the Giants. Maybe Giants go bad ass and franchise tag Eli in 2016 then tear it all down and draft some QB or something, I dunno. Those are the options, it's not a choice between Eli and some other top 10 guy. With guys like Rivers getting a max contract, I don't think any top 20 NFL QB is going to hit the open market any time soon.

    Now, if we are talking about betting something like an MVP prop, which is basically MVQB, I'll take Ben +2000 right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHutch View Post
    You're taking Stafford, Romo, Newton, Ryan and Rivers over Flacco?

    Dude is a complete stud in the playoffs, what the hell have those guys done?
    Just think they're better players overall...Flacco is underwhelming game to game but like Eli he steps it up in the playoffs

    It's really close actually from like QBs 6-13 or so..I get it if people rank Flacco or Eli higher than some of my guys

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    Eli is in a great spot to negotiate. Successful bank robbers will be jealous of him.

    Locking in Eli will help the Giants win some games against the Redskins. Might help too against Dallas & Philly if/when they have debacles.

    But it will have zero impact leaguewide. He's getting paid on past superbowl wins. Must be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    Flacco is underwhelming game to game but like Eli he steps it up in the playoffs
    I think Flacco is a big step up from Eli at the position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    He's getting paid on past superbowl wins. Must be nice.
    Which is always the beginning of the end for NFL teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    I think Flacco is a big step up from Eli at the position.
    On second thought you're probably right....would you take Eli over any of the QBs I listed

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    Quote Originally Posted by slacker00 View Post
    Go back to the pineapple jokes. I'm not even sure who intercepted the check or why, I'm just confused.
    That pineapple joke was pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    ... He's getting paid on past superbowl wins. Must be nice.
    At least Eli got some rings. How about Rivers or some of these other guys? They got paid too. It's a QB market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    On second thought you're probably right....would you take Eli over any of the QBs I listed
    Luck - N
    Rodgers - N
    Big Ben - N
    Brady - N
    Wilson - N
    Rivers - N
    Ryan - N
    Brees - I would, today, possibly consider Eli
    Peyton - N
    Newton - N
    Romo - N
    Stafford - maybe Eli

    And Eli is going to paid like he reinvented the game. Again, must be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeShea View Post
    And Eli is going to paid like he reinvented the game. Again, must be nice.
    Whatever Eli gets paid, Luck can add a zero at the end when it's his turn. It's a QB market right now.

    Blame the NFL rule changes that always favor the QB, it also makes capable QBs invaluable.

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    I think we are forgetting that New York is a very expensive city to live in and he probably lives in a 600 square foot condo with three whiny kids who have to share one bedroom and a dog that they have to walk down 18 flights of stairs to walk and it probably cost him $14 million.
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    In defense of Eli, today he publicly stated that he never said/suggested/or asked to be the highest paid NFL QB.

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