[d2bets]

Does it worry you a bit that this will be the 2nd best offense the Ravens have faced all year? The best offense they faced was obviously the Broncos in the first game of the season. Also, the Ravens Safety Matt Elam was trash talking about Calvin Johnson being old. This has all the makings of an Over 48.5 if you ask me, or am I just square?

Second best offense based on what metric? Is that objective or a subjective opinion?

[TheAntFather]

Second best offense based on what metric? Is that objective or a subjective opinion?

What opinion? Are smoking crack? The Lions rank 3rd in the NFL in Total Offense at 409.6 YPG. They are also 3rd in the NFL in Passing Offense at 297.2 YPG. If you don't know this, you have no clue about the NFL. This is public knowledge. So, like I said, this will be the 2nd best offense the Ravens have faced all year. The only better offense they have faced this year was the Broncos.

[packerd_00]

lions 2 of the top 3 cornerbacks out for this game. Ravens should be able to throw the ball easily. The key issue is whether rice can run the ball.

Waiting to see if dumervil plays...He is huge for ravens pass rush. i am guessing the books know that he will play..since the line moved 1.5 points.

Ravens are finally getting healthy and public/books still going by past results this year.

This is the most healthiest ravens have been all year and I think they will bring their A game to detroit.

Detroit can win the division even if they lose tonight. I dont think bears will beat eagles on the road next week. And they have the tie-breaker over packers. This is not exactly a must-win game for lions as others are making it out to be.

On the other hand, this is a must win game for ravens. Miami has easy schedule next 2 games and probably win them. So, a loss tonight means the season over for ravens.

Im not going to take the Giants lightly,thats one game im alittle hesitant about like I said.

[d2bets]

What opinion? Are smoking crack? The Lions rank 3rd in the NFL in Total Offense at 409.6 YPG. They are also 3rd in the NFL in Passing Offense at 297.2 YPG. If you don't know this, you have no clue about the NFL. This is public knowledge. So, like I said, this will be the 2nd best offense the Ravens have faced all year. The only better offense they have faced this year was the Broncos.

OK, so it's subjective.

In that case, first I'm going to say that Green Bay with Rodgers (Balt faced GB when Rodgers was healthy) is better. As of now, GB is 4th just behind Det in YPG. But that includes all the games without Rodgers. If Rodgers had stayed healthy they'd easily be ahead.

And then there is also a strong argument for the Bears. Bears have scored more points per game and more yards per play.

Yards per game is not the best stat either. I'd prefer yards per offensive play. As for passing, they are 3rd total per game, but only because they throw more. They are not rd in yards per attempt.

It's close, but you can make and argument for both Green Bay and Chicago as just as good offenses if not better.

[Big Bear]

Ok - nuff said.
You guaranteed a Pacers win the other night and it happened. I'll ride with ya' again on this game.
Should I take the Detroit ML - safe play?

Lay the 7. Scared money dont make money. Let get this bruh

[NYSportsGuy210]

lions 2 of the top 3 cornerbacks out for this game. Ravens should be able to throw the ball easily. The key issue is whether rice can run the ball.

Waiting to see if dumervil plays...He is huge for ravens pass rush. i am guessing the books know that he will play..since the line moved 1.5 points.

Ravens are finally getting healthy and public/books still going by past results this year.

This is the most healthiest ravens have been all year and I think they will bring their A game to detroit.

Detroit can win the division even if they lose tonight. I dont think bears will beat eagles on the road next week. And they have the tie-breaker over packers. This is not exactly a must-win game for lions as others are making it out to be.

On the other hand, this is a must win game for ravens. Miami has easy schedule next 2 games and probably win them. So, a loss tonight means the season over for ravens.

Exactly.

[d2bets]

From 7 last night to 4.5 now and it looks like the money is right around 50/50. That's gotta be sharp action right there on thy Ravens. Hope some of you gobbled up those +7's and +6.5's.

[PAULYPOKER]

From 7 last night to 4.5 now and it looks like the money is right around 50/50. That's gotta be sharp action right there on thy Ravens. Hope some of you gobbled up those +7's and +6.5's.

Why?

If what you are saying were true all you have to do is take det ATS -4.5..........

[No coincidences]

[chosen4th]

OK, so it's subjective.

In that case, first I'm going to say that Green Bay with Rodgers (Balt faced GB when Rodgers was healthy) is better. As of now, GB is 4th just behind Det in YPG. But that includes all the games without Rodgers. If Rodgers had stayed healthy they'd easily be ahead.

And then there is also a strong argument for the Bears. Bears have scored more points per game and more yards per play.

Yards per game is not the best stat either. I'd prefer yards per offensive play. As for passing, they are 3rd total per game, but only because they throw more. They are not rd in yards per attempt.

It's close, but you can make and argument for both Green Bay and Chicago as just as good offenses if not better.

Ravens held gb to 19 and chi 23 in ot FYIFYI

[Rainman10]

Getting crazy tonight. Ravens ML parlayed with the under 50. +415 odds.

[TheAntFather]

Ravens have never won a game on the road in the nfc north. This is what scares me.

This season nonconf totals are 46-14-1 to the over. 76.6%
MNF road dogs off 3 straight home games are 0-7 su and ats since 1996.
MNF faves of -3.5 to -7.5 are 25-1 su and 22-3-1 ats 88% since week 7 2010
11-0 su 10-1 ats in non div games with avg margin off 20 points.

[WWCD]

So many different opinions, angles, stats, disagreements. Makes sense the money is pretty much split 50/50 here.

Had to clear my head and keep it simple.

Better Coach.
Better Defense.
Better QB.
Better T/O ratio.
Better in 4th Quarter.
Healthier team.

Ravens +5.5 and +50

Fade and flame away.

[Dogball]

Better coach check
The rest, NOt so much

So many different opinions, angles, stats, disagreements. Makes sense the money is pretty much split 50/50 here.

Had to clear my head and keep it simple.

Better Coach.
Better Defense.
Better QB.
Better T/O ratio.
Better in 4th Quarter.
Healthier team.

Ravens +5.5 and +50

Fade and flame away.

[Dogball]

Excellent stats thanks

Ravens have never won a game on the road in the nfc north. This is what scares me.

This season nonconf totals are 46-14-1 to the over. 76.6%
MNF road dogs off 3 straight home games are 0-7 su and ats since 1996.
MNF faves of -3.5 to -7.5 are 25-1 su and 22-3-1 ats 88% since week 7 2010
11-0 su 10-1 ats in non div games with avg margin off 20 points.

[WWCD]

Better coach check
The rest, NOt so much

That's all pretty much backed by hard numbers. Not gut feelings.

[vyomguy]

This season nonconf totals are 46-14-1 to the over. 76.6%
MNF road dogs off 3 straight home games are 0-7 su and ats since 1996.
MNF faves of -3.5 to -7.5 are 25-1 su and 22-3-1 ats 88% since week 7 2010
11-0 su 10-1 ats in non div games with avg margin off 20 points.

I am not sure how the stats from 1996 influence the game played in 2013.

[ExposingLines247]

the bears game was a monsoon, Gb at home,I think the dome factor skews alot of numbers

[ExposingLines247]

was referring to post 80

[TheAntFather]

I am not sure how the stats from 1996 influence the game played in 2013.

You're right Vyomguy. After showing you all these stats, I'm still rolling with you on the Ravens. Ravens ML +185 for me.

[NYSportsGuy210]

In NBA tomorrow (Tuesday - Dec 17th, 2013) I like the Warriors, Kings and T-Blazers to all win. Think about ML parlaying that bad boy. Still have yet to look at the spreads.

[vividjohn45]

We tried to tell you. detroit lionesses.

[Rainman10]

Getting crazy tonight. Ravens ML parlayed with the under 50. +415 odds.

[PAULYPOKER]

Yes. A medium sized wager on ravens spread. I think they can win this game straight up.

Great call!

[NYSportsGuy210]

Easy cover. Ravens and Chiefs are both going to win on the road in the wild card round. In fact...I think every road wild card team in the first wound will probably win....unless Green Bay wins the NFC North.

[NYSportsGuy210]

Justin Tucker just thanked his fantasy team for starting himself and asked all other fantasy teams around the world starting himself to give him "thanks" for his 6 FG's.....

[vividjohn45]

Nice thread ny sports guy. I know he had the play. But now 11-1 l12 posts on sbr. Central division up for grabs

[RollinDo]

Thanks to all the Ravens doubters on here who swayed me from taking Balty and the points...not sure why people think they know so much one way or the other.

[PAULYPOKER]

Thanks to all the Ravens doubters on here who swayed me from taking Balty and the points...not sure why people think they know so much one way or the other.

[WWCD]

Thanks to all the Ravens doubters on here who swayed me from taking Balty and the points...not sure why people think they know so much one way or the other.

I am glad I went my own way. Over was wrong but I got the side.

There are good cappers here. Just got to figure out which ones are the wannabes and ignore them.

[vyomguy]

Great call!

[packerd_00]

I hate the Ravens theyve cost me to much money over the past two years. F@ckin Justin Tucker,cannot believe that bastard hit from 61:

[packerd_00]

What the hell was with Johnson,I just shake my head sometimes,since when does he drop those sorts of passes.

[k13]

What the hell was with Johnson,I just shake my head sometimes,since when does he drop those sorts of passes.

He's only good against scrubs.

Everytime he faces a physical d in big games he's just average.

Joke era really inflates his stats.

[packerd_00]

I think your right I thought Johnson would be up for this game after what Matt Elam said,but he just ended up looking a fool.