Eli will win superbowl in next 2-3 years again.
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12-15-13 11:42 PM #36
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12-15-13 11:57 PM #37
He is having a career bad year but finished? Give me a break. A two time Super Bowl winner he was MVP in both. His 2011 season was insane. Set nfl records for postseason passing yards in a single season and wins (10) on the road in one season. Eli is a money QB for sure.
He is 8-3 lifetime in playoffs despite only 3 games being at home
Only QB in nfl history with 5 road wins and he is an obscene 5-1. Only loss being in OT 23-20 in Philly . Counting neutral field he is 7-1. Let's put that in perspective....
Johnny Unitas, Kurt Warner, Doug Williams, Bobby Layne and Jeff Hostetler all were NFL champion quarterbacks. They combined for five road playoff wins. The same as Eli Manning all by his lonesome.
Steve Young, Y.A. Tittle and Norm Van Brocklin all are in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Combined, they were 0-7 in playoff road games.
Peyton Manning and Joe Montana are on virtually everyone’s list of the top five quarterbacks in NFL history. They each went 2-5 in playoff road games.
Tom Brady is 2-3 lifetime
Troy Aikman, Bob Griese, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon and Dan Marino are in the Hall of Fame, too. They reached a combined 11 Super Bowls, winning five. Their combined playoff road record: 5-19Points Awarded:
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12-16-13 12:03 AM #38
Hey that's all great but it's history. He's going to be 33 years old in a month. You quoted that to sell that he's not finished. Everything good comes to an end, some sooner than others. I think he's moving toward the downside of his career.
Originally Posted by James D
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12-16-13 12:58 AM #39
33 is not old, he is a QB not a RB. He is also a pocket passer so his age is even less significant. The top five ranked QBs are all over 30 and Eli is younger the 3 of them. If he is on the downside of his career or if he is having a bad year with a bad team remains to be seen. However 33 years old is not a game changer in the nfl. Originally Posted by d2bets
His career year was only 2 years ago, when he won his second Super Bowl MVP, won ten road games and set the nfl record for passing yards in a post season with limited talent on offense around him.
His brother is five years older. Peyton is far better in regular season and far worse in post season yet teams were falling all over themselves to sign him after multiple major neck surgeries.
There are very few quarterbacks who have two titles Big Ben of Pitt is another in the 2 Super Bowl win category let's look at his stats.
2013 Pittsburgh Steelers 14 525 340 64.8 37.5 3,915 7.5 279.6 25 4.8 11 2.1 67 56 10 40 270 94.3
2012 Pittsburgh Steelers 13 449 284 63.3 34.5 3,265 7.3 251.2 26 5.8 8 1.8 82T 39 6 30 182 97.0
2011 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 513 324 63.2 34.2 4,077 7.9 271.8 21 4.1 14 2.7 95T 56 9 40 269 90.1
2010 Pittsburgh Steelers 12 389 240 61.7 32.4 3,200 8.2 266.7 17 4.4 5 1.3 56T 52 8 32 220 97.0
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 506 337 66.6 33.7 4,328 8.6 288.5 26 5.1 12 2.4 60T 61 14 50 348100.5
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 469 281 59.9 29.3 3,301 7.0 206.3 17 3.6 15 3.2 65T 35 7 46 284 80.1
2007 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 404 264 65.3 26.9 3,154 7.8 210.3 32 7.9 11 2.7 83 39 6 47 347104.1
2006 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 469 280 59.7 31.3 3,513 7.5 234.2 18 3.8 23 4.9 67T 42 7 46 280 75.4
2005 Pittsburgh Steelers 12 268 168 62.7 22.3 2,385 8.9 198.8 17 6.3 9 3.4 85T 35 12 23 129 98.6
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 14 295 196 66.4 21.1 2,621 8.9 187.2 17 5.8 11 3.7 58 43 7 30 213 98.1
TOTAL 141 4,287 2,714 63.3 30.4 33,759 7.9 239.4 216 5.0 119 2.8 95 458 86 384 2,542 92.9
Notice bens two worst years BY FAR were immediately followed by his two best years by far. Guys not named Brady all have bad years, let's not panic and crap on Eli, the best playoff QB in history by a wide wide margins. He is one OT loss away from being 6-0 on road and 2-0 in Super Bowls in his career. His team sucks this year, he sucks this year, but another superbowl win and even another superbowl MVP would not shock anyone who looks at his career impartially.
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12-16-13 01:12 AM #40
i am a giants fan and i adore eli Originally Posted by darkhat
I laugh every time some idiot giant's fan tries to claim eli is better than brady based off two lucky superbowls
eli manning has always been overrated.
we never said eli is a better play overall than brady
but in the end playing well in the playoffs and is most important for a QB
many years from now no one will care about players like matt ryan who had great regular season stats and even had 11 win seasons
b/c ryan never won in the postseason
eli manning has a very impressive body of work in the playoffs, especially the superbowl MVP's and and that is very significant
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12-16-13 02:29 AM #41
Zeta speaks the truth
Smart and white
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12-16-13 04:28 AM #42
stfu jj
you post so much bullshit are you kiddin me. you to the corner of your room with a chair pointed against the wall sit down for 15 minutes and reflect on your gambling career.
if the outcome of your meditation is that you're a degenerate that probably has less of a clue than a 4 yr old pointing at a winner then you should probably just stay in that chair until somebody who cares about you finds you.
f*ckin clowns talkin about eli manning sucks when the guy has done what he's done. you boneheads need to look at the trash of a team the giants have right now n wake the hell up. to say that eli is done is just so stupid i cant even describe it...
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12-16-13 05:48 AM #43
Mark Sanchez career playoff record on the road: 5-2 Originally Posted by James D
Guess that makes him a great QB.
Tom Brady's 3 losses, probably all AFC CHAMPIONSHIP games.
Unitas and Warner probably never had to play on the road. And the one year I remember Warner playing on the road with Arizona, he got to a Superbowl with an 8-8 record (obviously playing on the road for a game or 2).
And the fact you mention scrubs like Doug Williams, bobby Lane, and Jeff cokkstetler in the same sentence as talking about good Qb's you go from just laughable to deserving to be ignored in any future posts.
What a waste of pointless blabber your whole post was.
All ELi ever was simply was the luckiest cokk the NFL has ever seen, blessed with Defenses that turned it on at the right time, and an offensive line that didn't let him take too many hits, and even then he still was mediocre at best.
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12-16-13 12:16 PM #44
Giants are having a down year with injuries shredding them all year, they'll be back next year.
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12-16-13 12:29 PM #45
You can't throw up prayers all your life and expect them to be answered.
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12-16-13 12:47 PM #46
They got answered twice when they mattered Originally Posted by k13
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12-16-13 06:43 PM #47
Originally Posted by BennyBigNuts
Mark Sanchez career playoff record on the road: 5-2
Guess that makes him a great QB.
Tom Brady's 3 losses, probably all AFC CHAMPIONSHIP games.
Unitas and Warner probably never had to play on the road. And the one year I remember Warner playing on the road with Arizona, he got to a Superbowl with an 8-8 record (obviously playing on the road for a game or 2).
And the fact you mention scrubs like Doug Williams, bobby Lane, and Jeff cokkstetler in the same sentence as talking about good Qb's you go from just laughable to deserving to be ignored in any future posts.
What a waste of pointless blabber your whole post was.
All ELi ever was simply was the luckiest cokk the NFL has ever seen, blessed with Defenses that turned it on at the right time, and an offensive line that didn't let him take too many hits, and even then he still was mediocre at best.
Every single point you you make is wrong, that is actually difficult to accomplish.
1. Sanchez career road record was 5-2, he never got to a Super Bowl, Eli was MVP of two super bowls. Don't really see a correlation.
2. " Brady's playoff losses were probably all championship games " . No they were not, google is free btw.
3. Unitas and Warner probably never played on the road...Warner went 8-8 one year obviously playing a game or two on the road. You actually contradicted yourself here. For the record warner on the road was 1-2 and was 1-2 on neutral fields so 2-4 lifetime on road or on a neutral field. Eli is 7-1
4. All three of "those scrubs " you mentioned won nfl championships, yet couldn't win on the road. Those three and Unitas and Warner combined had 5 road wins, same as Eli on his own.
5 your last comment is so stupid , even by your standards, that is deserves to be highlighted. You state eli was blessed with a super D and a great O line and he was still mediocre at best. Somehow you failed to realize that ELI has the record for the most yards passing in a playoff season 1219 in 2011. So he was mediocre at best yet set the passing record with a far from outstanding group of receivers.
Every single point you made was incorrect, well doneNomination(s):This post was nominated 1 time . To view the nominated thread please click here. People who nominated: 4TH AND STUPID
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12-16-13 07:17 PM #48
I am satisfied with him being good enough to win two superbowls, especially against the patriots. I wish Patriots were in giants division cuz giants would somehow find a way to beat them like they have past few years
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12-16-13 09:13 PM #49
White = yea Originally Posted by tony_come
Smart = No
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12-16-13 09:21 PM #50
Ask peyton if he would trade his 1 ring for 2 over brady.
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12-16-13 11:58 PM #51
Eli just needs to get into the playoffs somehow in the coming years. The NFC East is not getting better, so the future doesn't look too bleak.
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12-17-13 12:10 AM #52
Please back up and exit then Originally Posted by InTheDrink
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12-17-13 12:13 AM #53
its jjs thread Originally Posted by JACK MATZ
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12-17-13 02:12 AM #54
thank you Originally Posted by tony_come
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12-17-13 07:34 AM #55
it is amazing how some guys can't see how a defense can make a quarterback . There were times a few years ago i had actually debated guys who thought he was better than Peyton. These are unreachable people who suck up anything the media says. Same shit with this kid on Alabama. Yeah he is a nice average quarterback. Put him on Army and nobody would have ever heard of him. Some had him winning the Heisman. All he does is win like Alex Smith. Two guys who have had terrific defenses their whole careers. Two guys the press wants people to believe are fantastic. Just like that stiff Mcnabb Originally Posted by BennyBigNuts
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12-17-13 09:08 AM #56
Manning consistently hovers around the 30th best QB. But the 2 rings and his ability to catch "lightning in a bottle" will keep him around for a while. He is about the same as Matt Hasselbeck for his career, someone not in a top discussion. But, there is no real candidate better than Eli for the Giants that would make them better.
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12-17-13 09:26 AM #57
Many think he is overrated since college
He had a lucky run with miracle passes
Guy not even close to an elite qb
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12-17-13 10:05 AM #58
yea, Eli beat superman brady 2 times in the super bowl Originally Posted by sneakerhead
Eli has now WRs, offensive line lost key players
I think Coughlin is finished, after so many years players get tired of hearing the same thing, the entire team is flat
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12-17-13 11:21 AM #59
At some point I want to make a video of all the lucky plays that happened in that game for Eli. He literally hit defensive backs in the numbers but wasn't intercepted. Originally Posted by darkhat
I laugh every time some idiot giant's fan tries to claim eli is better than brady based off two lucky superbowls
eli manning has always been overrated.
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12-17-13 11:52 AM #60
Average points per game in playoffs:
Eli 19.8
Defense 17.2
His defense has also never allowed over 23 points. They allowed 23 points 3 times, and Eli lost all three of those games.
Also the Giant's defense was able to stop arguably the best offensive team ever, 2007 Patriots, by holding them to only 14 points, while Eli only put up 17 points.
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12-17-13 12:08 PM #61
performances in the playoffs is what it's all about, right? Originally Posted by MoneyzForSportz
and those of you going on about defense(s), no QB wins a SB without a good one
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12-17-13 01:08 PM #62
Originally Posted by eidolon
Just to give a comparison to his brother:
Peyton: 23.5
Defense: 21.8
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12-17-13 09:32 PM #63
All this nonsense about the "great defenses" waltzing the giants to the superbow titles is so laughable . Eli lost his first 2 playoff games and since then in 8-1 including 4-1 on road and 6-1 on neutral fields. Yet you guys lose your 50 bucks in some random regular season game and you say he sucks.
Let's look at these " great defenses " leading the giants to the two titles where Eli was the Super Bowl MVP
In 2007 the NY giants had the 7th ranked defense. they beat four teams without playing a home game.
They defeated....
Tampa the 2nd ranked defense on the road.
dallas the 9th ranked defense. On the road.
Greenbay the 11th ranked defense on the road.
New England the 4th ranked defense and undefeated AFC champs on a neutral field.
In 2011 the giants had the 25th ranked defense
they defeated....
Atlanta the 12th ranked defense at home
GB he 32nd ranked defense on the road
SF the 4th ranked defense on the road
NE the 31st ranked defense on a neutral field
So the two years the giants won the superbowl they played 8 playoff games ONLY ONE AT HOME. The eight defenses they were up against four were ranked higher then the giants and 4 were ranked lower then the giants. Yet somehow we are being told that Eli's wins were powered by his defenses. Ignoring the fact that his defense was exactly average when matched up against its eight opponents, four better, four worse. Despite playing ONE home game the giants ran the table and went 8-0. Yeah, Eli was just along for the ride LOL
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12-17-13 09:51 PM #64
Stuck "In the valley of Eli"
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12-17-13 10:05 PM #65
Originally Posted by PAULYPOKER
LOL I can see you thinking that. I like Eli, but I am not under the illusion that Eli is anywhere near Rodgers, Brady, and a few other QB's. This year he has been a nightmare, on a nightmare team. I am just saying the guy has achieved greatness not once but twice in the postseason. People who want to say he sucks, or he was lucky are absolutely incorrect. We have no problem slamming guys when they suck, we should also give them props when they achieve greatness, and he and his teammates have done it twice.
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12-18-13 07:16 AM #66
Don't draft Eli in your fantasy league. I think that's why some of you guys are so sore.
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12-18-13 07:23 AM #67
That and his commanding lead in INTs thrown in the NFL this season. Originally Posted by James D
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12-18-13 11:50 AM #68
Do you think Eli deserved those MVPs? Originally Posted by James D
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12-31-13 05:26 PM #69
News Flash
NYC officials are keeping Eli Manning away from New Year's Eve Ball for fear of it somehow being intercepted.
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01-01-14 10:37 AM #70
Eli will be back, assuming that some day he will have a complete team again.
You guys are ridiculous, do you really think Peyton would have done much better on that sorry Giants team this season? I'd think his career would have been ended with all the hits that useless Giants o-line allows.
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