[Husker36]

Kellen Clemens has been in the league for 7 years. He was a 2nd round draft pick by the Jets. He's been on 4 different NFL teams but hasn't really played! He broke his ankle his senior year of college. I think this guy is going to do well tonight, on MNF, at home. Will St Louis win? Probably not. But something tells me that this QB that has been a winner his entire football career will impress tonight. Thoughts?? Here is some info on our mystery QB tonight........ Clemens played college football at the University of Oregon. He assumed the role of starting QB in all 13 games in 2003 and responded by throwing for more TD passes and yards than any sophomore in school history, surpassing Dan Fouts—who had 16 TDs and 2390 yards, in 1970. He posted three rushing TD, three passing TD and a career-best 437 passing yards in a road victory over Washington State as a junior. As a senior during the 2005 season he broke his ankle while playing against Arizona. Despite missing remaining three games of the season, he finished 2005 with 2,406 passing yards, 19 TDs, 4 interceptions, and a 152.87 passer efficiency rating. He finished his Oregon career with 7,555 passing yards.

[stevenash]

He was a beast in the PAC-10, but that was a decade ago.

[Fettirooski]

He's not really that much of a mystery, imo. Unless you've just never watched him play

[Husker36]

I'm thinking the home dog is the bet tonight.....

[stevenash]

^
I'm all over it like PO on a jelly donut

[Husker36]

So what's your play tonight? I've had a great week and would like to continue to pound my book

[jds07v]

I'm getting a raging clue

Rams tt under 16

[Husker36]

I'm really liking the over!

[brewcrew2k]

I'm thinking the home dog is the bet tonight.....

I agree that double digits home dogs do very well, but do you realize how much has to go wrong tonight for the Seahawks for this to happen, Wilson will have to throw interceptions, St. Louis will actually have to stop the run, St. Louis will have to run, St Louis will not be able to turn the ball over, etc. It's very neat to pick the rams to cover, but sometimes you just have to lay off.

[stevenash]

Rams come to play tonight (don't you hate that expression by the way)
It'll be competitive.

11.5 is a big number

[No coincidences]

Rams come to play tonight (don't you hate that expression by the way)
It'll be competitive.

11.5 is a big number

13.5 is even bigger.

Really surprised it broke through the 12.5 threshold.

[Husker36]

My book has 12.5 now..... looking like it will continue to climb. I might was and even buy a point at +14! Public is all over Seattle.....

[stevenash]

Public is all over Seattle.....

enough said

[Husker36]

I agree that double digits home dogs do very well, but do you realize how much has to go wrong tonight for the Seahawks for this to happen, Wilson will have to throw interceptions, St. Louis will actually have to stop the run, St. Louis will have to run, St Louis will not be able to turn the ball over, etc. It's very neat to pick the rams to cover, but sometimes you just have to lay off.

So what went wrong in the Seattle vs Arizona game? Or the Seattle vs Tennessee game? Or the Seattle vs Indy game? Or the Seattle vs Houston game?

[747planes]

Here is some info on our mystery QB tonight........ Clemens played college football at the University of Oregon. He assumed the role of starting QB in all 13 games in 2003 and responded by throwing for more TD passes and yards than any sophomore in school history, surpassing Dan Fouts—who had 16 TDs and 2390 yards, in 1970. He posted three rushing TD, three passing TD and a career-best 437 passing yards in a road victory over Washington State as a junior. As a senior during the 2005 season he broke his ankle while playing against Arizona. Despite missing remaining three games of the season, he finished 2005 with 2,406 passing yards, 19 TDs, 4 interceptions, and a 152.87 passer efficiency rating. He finished his Oregon career with 7,555 passing yards.

College is great but lets also throw in some nfl numbers...

Kellen Clemens: Career Statistics

Career Stats			Passing									Rushing					Sacked		Fumbles
Season	Team	G	QBRat	Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/G	Y/A	TD	Int	Rush	Yds	Y/G	Avg	TD	Sack	YdsL	Fum	FumL
2006	NY Jets	2	39.6	0	1	0.0	0	0.0	0.0	0	0	2	10	5.0	5.0	0	4	27	1	1
2007	NY Jets	10	60.9	130	250	52.0	1529	152.9	6.1	5	10	27	111	11.1	4.1	1	27	138	4	1
2008	NY Jets	2	34.2	3	5	60.0	26	13.0	5.2	0	1	3	-3	-1.5	-1.0	0	0	0	0	0
2009	NY Jets	10	63.8	13	26	50.0	125	12.5	4.8	0	0	12	1	0.1	0.1	0	4	21	2	0
2010	NY Jets	1	56.3	1	2	50.0	6	6.0	3.0	0	0	2	9	9.0	4.5	1	0	0	0	0
2011	St. Louis	3	73.8	48	91	52.7	546	182.0	6.0	2	1	6	37	12.3	6.2	1	9	68	2	0
2012	St. Louis	2	42.4	1	3	33.3	39	19.5	13.0	0	1	2	5	2.5	2.5	0	0	0	1	0
2013	St. Louis	1	63.5	2	4	50.0	19	19.0	4.8	0	0	0	0	0.0	N/A	0	2	12	2	1
Career Totals		31	62.2	198	382	51.8	2290	73.9	6.0	7	13	54	170	5.5	3.1	3	46	266	12	3

Last updated through games completed on Oct 27, 2013

[747planes]

All reasoning points to seattle blow out but this game has burial return all over for seattle backers.

[Husker36]

I just locked in Seattle for the 1st half. Line is now up to -13.5! I'm thinking St Louis +14.5 later in the day looks nice!

#231 - Seattle Seahawks -7 (-120) 1st Half Header: Seattle Seahawks (6-1) @ St. Louis Rams (3-4) (ESPN) Sport: NFL Label: Week 8 Ticket #: 79970428 Accepted: 10/28/13 11:07 AM (CST) Scheduled : 10/28/13 7:40 PM (CST) Risk/Win: $600.00/$500.00 Outcome: Pending

$600.00

$500.00

[stevenash]

@747

Crappy teams with crappy o-line though

[747planes]

@747

Crappy teams with crappy o-line though

good point.

But also keep in mind that st. louis isn't far from those crappy teams. Plus, he hasn't played consistently in a while. But i am glad this is a home game, less chances of choking. I have St. Louis +13.5 (-110) for 2k. I have 2k on washington +135 against vancouver canucks as well. Vancouver owns then in the series and trashes washington each time they go to the pacific coast but i think vancouver will be tired and hungover from the long season high 7 game road trip to east coast.

[stevenash]

good point.

But also keep in mind that st. louis isn't far from those crappy teams. Plus, he hasn't played consistently in a while. But i am glad this is a home game, less chances of choking. I have St. Louis +13.5 (-110) for 2k. I have 2k on washington +135 against vancouver canucks as well. Vancouver owns then in the series and trashes washington each time they go to the pacific coast but i think vancouver will be tired and hungover from the long season high 7 game road trip to east coast.

I remember why I quit bettin' the NHL though.
Pitt/Islanders last week.

Cash those bets sir !!!!!

[brewcrew2k]

So what went wrong in the Seattle vs Arizona game? Or the Seattle vs Tennessee game? Or the Seattle vs Indy game? Or the Seattle vs Houston game?

None if those teams are St. Louis.
Wilson is 3-0 ATS as a larger than 3 point road dog.
Rams give up avg 4.2 yards per rush
Rams avg 74 yards per game on the ground, kellon is not going to be safe in the pocket.
kellon has a 51% completions and 7-13 td-int ratio.
And who is Clemons going to throw the ball to? Torrey Holt?
I'm just saying there is no basis for betting the rams other than the public is on the hawks

[Potentate]

None if those teams are St. Louis.
Wilson is 3-0 ATS as a larger than 3 point road dog.
Rams give up avg 4.2 yards per rush
Rams avg 74 yards per game on the ground, kellon is not going to be safe in the pocket.
kellon has a 51% completions and 7-13 td-int ratio.
And who is Clemons going to throw the ball to? Torrey Holt?
I'm just saying there is no basis for betting the rams other than the public is on the hawks

Gotta agree. To be more specific, there's no basis for betting the Rams other than knowing you're getting some extra value because the public is on the Seahawks. There could be more, another angle, but if there is, no one here is talking about it.

[mahncpa]

I saw the Rams play the Panthers live last Sunday with Sam Bradford. The Panthers are not world beaters and beat the Rams by 15. Granted the Rams will be at home tonight, but I think they lose by 17 at least.

[eagle8999]

To take the rams you gotta have something to work with i don't even know their wide outs. they got an ok rookie but Seattle corners have played much better opponents. putting money on rams is like putting money on the vikings you cannot get enough points. i making a small play on Seahawks only because this does have somewhat of a trap game and i don't want to ruin an already great week. that cincy line looks nice

[Fettirooski]

Kellen Clemons has the lowest QBR in the last 5 years of any QB with atleast 500 snaps. He has three completed passes in the past two years. ANd "public this public that" I'd say the squares did pretty damn well this weekend if you paid any attention.

[2daBank]

i dont think there really a play worth making,, ill tell ya this much, clemmons isnt any worse than that cross-eyed pussy that was playing qb for lambs...

[slimmkm]

My books at -14.5 now...

My book has 12.5 now..... looking like it will continue to climb. I might was and even buy a point at +14! Public is all over Seattle.....

[khaden]

This is all crazy talk-If Clemens was any good at all he would have already been playing for someone. He was signed out of desperation because they had nobody else. Rams would probably get blown out by 17+ even if Bradford wasn't hurt. They are a bad team with a QB who was sitting on a couch last week at time not even playing football. Don't over think this just because the "public" is on the Seahawks.

[Saintsfan1977]

Seahawks 4th road game in 5 weeks. Rams have Brady Quinn who knows the entire Seattle playbook since he spent the whole training camp and pre season with the Hawks. Seattle has tunred the ball over 2 times in each of its last 5 games. Rams have p[layed only 3 home games in 7 weeks and if Jeff Fisher cant motivate this team on a national stage then nobody can. Clemons will play better than Bradford played all year this week. His job depends on it because he has Brady Quinn on his shoulder. Its Rams or nothing.

[brewcrew2k]

Jesus knows the entire Seahawks play book too, not even Jesus can help the rams.

I'm playing a few props, I'll leave the sides to those who can stomach it

[Cause-I-Need-It]

Jesus knows the entire Seahawks play book too, not even Jesus can help the rams.

I'm playing a few props, I'll leave the sides to those who can stomach it

What do you think about the R.Wilson O/U 1.5 TDs Passing, M.Lynch O/U 96.5 rushing yds?

Seems easier than cover -14 that my book currently has right?

[KillthaBook]

Obviously this week disproved some of the fade the public crap, but look at the games... Case and point GB last night. Huge public team, the line should have been higher. Unsharp making " sharp bets" because they read a percentage on a website. Common sense told us that Christian Ponder Sux, and the Vikings can't score. Common sense won.

Common sense: the Seahawks are in another category of football team than the rams. This line crossed over some big numbers. I'd bet the books are setting the line as high as they can to entice Rams bets, but Seattle still cover easily.

I have my bets on performances within the game though.

[brewcrew2k]

I'm playing the turnover prop, Clemons under 18.5 completions and under 190 yards
And Stacey under 50 rushing yards

[JabooFootball]

This has been another episode of tries to be sharp and loses money.

[stevenash]

This has been another episode of tries to be sharp and loses money.

What's your point?