[BALISTIK]

Super Bowl Champs? Thoughts?

[aman86]

Not at that price

[BALISTIK]

Not at that price

In your opinion what price should I look for. I thought the price was fair.

[Waterstpub87]

Why lock your money up for the whole season

[BALISTIK]

Why lock your money up for the whole season

I'm talking a couple hundred bucks...nothing major.

[k13]

In your opinion what price should I look for. I thought the price was fair.

+1400 +

You'll have trouble getting it though......going by your avatar.

[BALISTIK]

+1400 +

You'll have trouble getting it though......going by your avatar.

Ha, nice...we can do "some things" around here...you never know!

[BALISTIK]

Seriously, why do you think they should be that high? I think they are top 4 or 5 team this year!

[4TH AND STUPID]

if matt schaub stays healthy they can go to the superbowl...


if not, it will be another 1 and done

[BALISTIK]

if matt schaub stays healthy they can go to the superbowl...


if not, it will be another 1 and done

I think that is the main question for them, can schaub stay healthy. otherwise, i think they have a big shot!

[therushishere]

I think that is the main question for them, can schaub stay healthy. otherwise, i think they have a big shot!

I'm a big Texans fan- probably know more about them than most of their own players do. So this is going to be fun

I have a different view on Schaub than most. I think he's ok, but im not sure if he can lead a team to a Super Bowl. I actually liked what I saw from TJ Yates a lot last year. In his first NFL action to have him stepping in without any snaps with any of the players on the field and leading them down a 2 minute drive for 50+ yards with no timeouts and getting a FG is exceptional. I think that Schaub getting injured again would be the best thing that could happen to this team. You could tell if you read between the lines how excited the main players and coaches were about him last year- of course it was a bit of an awkward position for Schaub and they definitely weren't going to throw him under the bus so they said all the right things to lend their support. The truth of the matter is that hes had several seasons with one of the best offensive minds of our time (3 Super Bowls in the 90s with him running the offense for the Broncos remember) so of course hes going to put up amazing numbers. Kubiak even got something out of Griese and Plummer in limited exposure to them.

TJ Yates deep ball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wV-u6Vnr7o

Matt Schaub deep ball at 1:16, 1:35, 3:00, 3:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzkqchFbhM

Yates also has the quickest release ever recorded since Dan Marino.

Given an entire off-season working with the staff as well as running the first team through OTAs while Schaub was heeling should benefit him immensely. Btw- hes also already won a playoff game and also would have won one on the road in Baltimore had it not been for Jacoby Jones muffing the put and giving Baltimore 7 free points in such a close game. He was playing from behind and forced to pass when he made each of his mistakes.

If you had Foster and Tate behind that offensive line running the bootleg system he employs you could be a pretty successful QB as well.

Johnson and Walter need to stay healthy come playoff time. They have a lot of talent behind them but you don't want guys playing in their first year having to make big contributions in the playoffs. Daniels is having his first full off-season in years and he and Casey will be a bigger part of the offense this year. BTW this is where Bellicheck got his ideas to use TEs more.

Defensively, they're set. They added a guy who should have been a first round pick prior to injury on the line and have some young guys that could make a pretty big impact if they got the opportunity to at LB and CB (Braman, Harris, Carmichael). They added a physical specimen to their 3-man OLB rush package in the first round, signed a cheaper version of Demeco Ryans to run the defense while Cushing can go back to playing instinctively and will have a DPOY type season. Jonathan Joseph was a Pro-Bowl corner last year and both Manning and Quinn have Pro-Bowl potential at the safety spots.

[BALISTIK]

I'm a big Texans fan- probably know more about them than most of their own players do. So this is going to be fun

I have a different view on Schaub than most. I think he's ok, but im not sure if he can lead a team to a Super Bowl. I actually liked what I saw from TJ Yates a lot last year. In his first NFL action to have him stepping in without any snaps with any of the players on the field and leading them down a 2 minute drive for 50+ yards with no timeouts and getting a FG is exceptional. I think that Schaub getting injured again would be the best thing that could happen to this team. You could tell if you read between the lines how excited the main players and coaches were about him last year- of course it was a bit of an awkward position for Schaub and they definitely weren't going to throw him under the bus so they said all the right things to lend their support. The truth of the matter is that hes had several seasons with one of the best offensive minds of our time (3 Super Bowls in the 90s with him running the offense for the Broncos remember) so of course hes going to put up amazing numbers. Kubiak even got something out of Griese and Plummer in limited exposure to them.

TJ Yates deep ball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wV-u6Vnr7o

Matt Schaub deep ball at 1:16, 1:35, 3:00, 3:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzkqchFbhM

Yates also has the quickest release ever recorded since Dan Marino.

Given an entire off-season working with the staff as well as running the first team through OTAs while Schaub was heeling should benefit him immensely. Btw- hes also already won a playoff game and also would have won one on the road in Baltimore had it not been for Jacoby Jones muffing the put and giving Baltimore 7 free points in such a close game. He was playing from behind and forced to pass when he made each of his mistakes.

If you had Foster and Tate behind that offensive line running the bootleg system he employs you could be a pretty successful QB as well.

Johnson and Walter need to stay healthy come playoff time. They have a lot of talent behind them but you don't want guys playing in their first year having to make big contributions in the playoffs. Daniels is having his first full off-season in years and he and Casey will be a bigger part of the offense this year. BTW this is where Bellicheck got his ideas to use TEs more.

Defensively, they're set. They added a guy who should have been a first round pick prior to injury on the line and have some young guys that could make a pretty big impact if they got the opportunity to at LB and CB (Braman, Harris, Carmichael). They added a physical specimen to their 3-man OLB rush package in the first round, signed a cheaper version of Demeco Ryans to run the defense while Cushing can go back to playing instinctively and will have a DPOY type season. Jonathan Joseph was a Pro-Bowl corner last year and both Manning and Quinn have Pro-Bowl potential at the safety spots.

Good info here thanks! solidifies my bet? I think so. I think 10-1 is a nice number.

[greenhippo]

Will kindly disagree with therush. Schaub is projected to be his old self come preseason, he is by far their best chance at getting to the big game THIS year. The D is still solid and both foster and aj should hopefully have full healthy seasons unlike last year. They're built to, and hopefully will, beat the stealers/ravens/jets of the AFC. It's the high powered offensive teams I'm wary about. Even given the circumstances last year, I saw zero chance of them beating the Panthers last year. Yates looked just fine last year, but look at team totals since he started playing, they failed to put up the big numbers they were before Schaub went down.

10:1 on your money for a hundo or two seems worth it to me, depending on matchups I wouldn't even attempt a hedge until the AFC title game and they're up against the Pats. Only team I see as a big time obstacle. Me being a homer, pats/packers/saints(no way they make it that far) are the only teams I'd have no problem putting money on against the texans this next year.

[therushishere]

Will kindly disagree with therush. Schaub is projected to be his old self come preseason, he is by far their best chance at getting to the big game THIS year. The D is still solid and both foster and aj should hopefully have full healthy seasons unlike last year. They're built to, and hopefully will, beat the stealers/ravens/jets of the AFC. It's the high powered offensive teams I'm wary about. Even given the circumstances last year, I saw zero chance of them beating the Panthers last year. Yates looked just fine last year, but look at team totals since he started playing, they failed to put up the big numbers they were before Schaub went down.

10:1 on your money for a hundo or two seems worth it to me, depending on matchups I wouldn't even attempt a hedge until the AFC title game and they're up against the Pats. Only team I see as a big time obstacle. Me being a homer, pats/packers/saints(no way they make it that far) are the only teams I'd have no problem putting money on against the texans this next year.

In terms of TT, Schaub had the whole playboob not only open but learned. TJ only had a few pages open and still put up 19+.

This is coming from a guy that sold his car and went to vegas with the money to put on the Texans to try to hit big and help his family though. As much as I love the #13 team in sports though, im not getting that feeling yet. Ill probably be putting in a wager as soon as Schaub goes down and evaluate from there.

[therushishere]

Good info here thanks! solidifies my bet? I think so. I think 10-1 is a nice number.

BTW I think I got 36 to 1 around week 14

[4TH AND STUPID]

I'm a big Texans fan- probably know more about them than most of their own players do. So this is going to be fun

I have a different view on Schaub than most. I think he's ok, but im not sure if he can lead a team to a Super Bowl. I actually liked what I saw from TJ Yates a lot last year. In his first NFL action to have him stepping in without any snaps with any of the players on the field and leading them down a 2 minute drive for 50+ yards with no timeouts and getting a FG is exceptional. I think that Schaub getting injured again would be the best thing that could happen to this team. You could tell if you read between the lines how excited the main players and coaches were about him last year- of course it was a bit of an awkward position for Schaub and they definitely weren't going to throw him under the bus so they said all the right things to lend their support. The truth of the matter is that hes had several seasons with one of the best offensive minds of our time (3 Super Bowls in the 90s with him running the offense for the Broncos remember) so of course hes going to put up amazing numbers. Kubiak even got something out of Griese and Plummer in limited exposure to them.

TJ Yates deep ball:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wV-u6Vnr7o

Matt Schaub deep ball at 1:16, 1:35, 3:00, 3:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSzkqchFbhM

Yates also has the quickest release ever recorded since Dan Marino.

Given an entire off-season working with the staff as well as running the first team through OTAs while Schaub was heeling should benefit him immensely. Btw- hes also already won a playoff game and also would have won one on the road in Baltimore had it not been for Jacoby Jones muffing the put and giving Baltimore 7 free points in such a close game. He was playing from behind and forced to pass when he made each of his mistakes.

If you had Foster and Tate behind that offensive line running the bootleg system he employs you could be a pretty successful QB as well.

Johnson and Walter need to stay healthy come playoff time. They have a lot of talent behind them but you don't want guys playing in their first year having to make big contributions in the playoffs. Daniels is having his first full off-season in years and he and Casey will be a bigger part of the offense this year. BTW this is where Bellicheck got his ideas to use TEs more.

Defensively, they're set. They added a guy who should have been a first round pick prior to injury on the line and have some young guys that could make a pretty big impact if they got the opportunity to at LB and CB (Braman, Harris, Carmichael). They added a physical specimen to their 3-man OLB rush package in the first round, signed a cheaper version of Demeco Ryans to run the defense while Cushing can go back to playing instinctively and will have a DPOY type season. Jonathan Joseph was a Pro-Bowl corner last year and both Manning and Quinn have Pro-Bowl potential at the safety spots.

this is the biggest crock of horsecrap ive read in a while.


either you are tj yates, tj yates is your boyfriend, or you like crack rocks

Career NFL statistics as of Week 17, 2011
TD–INT 98-58 Passing yards 17,936 QB Rating 92.2 Stats at NFL.com

thats matt schaub. you think t.j yates can do this based on one drive in which he led them to a field goal?


tj yates's td- int ratio in college was basically 1-1. theres a reason he was picked in round 5. that reason was the three interceptions he threw in the divisional round game against baltimore, and the 3 other interceptions that were dropped, totalling to 6 outright terrible passes.


matt schaub was the nfl passing leader in 2009, passing for nearly 5000 yards.


you pull out some stupid youtube video of tj yates throwing a pass and think that hes all of a sudden the next big thing?


even last year schaub was passing at a 95 passer rating, above big ben, cutler, vick, eli manning, etc etc etc.






please dont ever post some nonsense like that again, claiming you're some hardcore texans fan. schaub is only 31 and is one of the best qb's to ever play this game. get your mouth off tj yates's rooster

[chargers4222]

lol "matt schaub is one of the best qb's ever". pleeeeeeeease please post your picks weekly. please?

[therushishere]

schaub is only 31 and is one of the best qb's to ever play this game.

oh man

Have you ever watched a Texans game? Have you ever watched a Broncos game in the mid 90s?

With a developed run game and offensive line you and I could look like all time greats if Kubiak gave us years of his time and devotion.

[therushishere]

you pull out some stupid youtube video of tj yates throwing a pass and think that hes all of a sudden the next big thing?

You dont have to agree with me. Many Texans fans dont. But there are a few that do. He was playing from behind on every single interception he threw on the road in the playoffs in Baltimore.

How about this drive to clinch the division on the road in Cinci?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4VOL...eature=related

[4TH AND STUPID]

lol "matt schaub is one of the best qb's ever". pleeeeeeeease please post your picks weekly. please?

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...ing_career.htm

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Football Leaders & Football Records : Single-Season · Career · Active · Year-by-Year · Single Game
NFL Career Passer Rating Leaders

Rank	Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active	Rate	Years	Teams
1.	Aaron Rodgers (28)	104.1	2005-2011	gnb
2.	Tony Romo (31)	96.9	2004-2011	dal
3.	Steve Young+	96.8	1985-1999	2TM
4.	Tom Brady (34)	96.4	2000-2011	nwe
5.	Philip Rivers (30)	95.5	2004-2011	sdg
6.	Peyton Manning (35)	94.9	1998-2011	clt
7.	Drew Brees (32)	94.0	2001-2011	2TM
8.	Kurt Warner	93.7	1998-2009	3TM
9.	Joe Montana+	92.3	1979-1994	2TM
10.	Matt Schaub (30)	92.2	2004-2011	2TM
11.	Ben Roethlisberger (29)	92.1	2004-2011	pit
12.	Chad Pennington	90.1	2000-2010	2TM
13.	Matt Ryan (26)	88.4	2008-2011	atl
14.	Daunte Culpepper	87.8	1999-2009	4TM
15.	Jeff Garcia (41)	87.5	1999-2011	6TM
16.	Otto Graham+	86.6	1946-1955	cle
17.	Dan Marino+	86.4	1983-1999	mia
18.	Carson Palmer (32)	86.3	2004-2011	2TM
19.	Trent Green	86.0	1997-2008	4TM
	Joe Flacco (26)	86.0	2008-2011	rav
	Brett Favre	86.0	1991-2010	4TM
22.	David Garrard	85.8	2002-2010	jax
23.	Donovan McNabb (35)	85.6	1999-2011	3TM
24.	Matthew Stafford (23)	84.7	2009-2011	det
	Shaun Hill (31)	84.7	2005-2011	3TM
	Rich Gannon	84.7	1987-2004	4TM
27.	Jay Cutler (28)	84.5	2006-2011	2TM
28.	Jim Kelly+	84.4	1986-1996	buf
	Marc Bulger	84.4	2002-2009	ram
30.	Mark Brunell (41)	84.0	1994-2011	5TM
31.	Roger Staubach+	83.4	1969-1979	dal
32.	Jason Campbell (30)	82.8	2006-2011	2TM
	Steve McNair	82.8	1995-2007	2TM
34.	Neil Lomax	82.7	1981-1988	crd
	Brian Griese	82.7	1998-2008	4TM
36.	Sonny Jurgensen+	82.6	1957-1974	2TM
	Len Dawson+	82.6	1957-1975	3TM
38.	Brad Johnson	82.5	1994-2008	4TM
	Matt Cassel (29)	82.5	2005-2011	2TM
40.	Matt Hasselbeck (36)	82.2	1999-2011	3TM
41.	Eli Manning (30)	82.1	2004-2011	nyg
42.	Ken Anderson	81.9	1971-1986	cin
43.	Neil O'Donnell	81.8	1991-2003	4TM
	Bernie Kosar	81.8	1985-1996	3TM
45.	Danny White	81.7	1976-1988	dal
46.	Troy Aikman+	81.6	1989-2000	dal
47.	Dave Krieg	81.5	1980-1998	6TM
	Randall Cunningham	81.5	1985-2001	4TM
49.	Jake Delhomme (36)	81.3	1999-2011	4TM
50.	Boomer Esiason	81.1	1984-1997	3TM
51.	Warren Moon+	80.9	1984-2000	4TM
	Michael Vick (31)	80.9	2001-2011	2TM
53.	Damon Huard	80.6	1998-2008	3TM
54.	Bart Starr+	80.5	1956-1971	gnb
	Jeff Hostetler	80.5	1985-1997	3TM
56.	Ken O'Brien	80.4	1984-1993	2TM
	Fran Tarkenton+	80.4	1961-1978	2TM
	Jeff George	80.4	1990-2001	5TM
59.	Steve Beuerlein	80.3	1988-2003	6TM
60.	Dan Fouts+	80.2	1973-1987	sdg
61.	John Elway+	79.9	1983-1998	den
62.	Tony Eason	79.7	1983-1990	2TM
	Byron Leftwich (31)	79.7	2003-2011	4TM
64.	Elvis Grbac	79.6	1994-2001	3TM
65.	Kyle Orton (29)	79.4	2005-2011	3TM
66.	Chris Chandler	79.1	1988-2004	7TM
67.	Josh Freeman (23)	79.0	2009-2011	tam
68.	Mark Rypien	78.9	1988-2001	5TM
69.	Jim Everett	78.6	1986-1997	3TM
70.	Phil Simms	78.5	1979-1993	nyg
	Aaron Brooks	78.5	2000-2006	2TM
72.	Bert Jones	78.2	1973-1982	2TM
	Jim McMahon	78.2	1982-1996	6TM
	Johnny Unitas+	78.2	1956-1973	2TM
75.	Bobby Hebert	78.0	1985-1996	2TM
	Jeff Blake	78.0	1992-2005	7TM
77.	Charlie Batch (37)	77.8	1998-2011	2TM
78.	Tarvaris Jackson (28)	77.7	2006-2011	2TM
79.	Jim Harbaugh	77.6	1987-2000	4TM
	Frank Ryan	77.6	1958-1970	3TM
81.	Joe Theismann	77.4	1974-1985	was
	Jon Kitna (39)	77.4	1997-2011	4TM
83.	Bob Berry	77.2	1965-1975	2TM
84.	Jay Fiedler	77.1	1995-2005	5TM
	Drew Bledsoe	77.1	1993-2006	3TM
	Bob Griese+	77.1	1967-1980	mia
87.	Bill Kenney	77.0	1980-1988	kan
88.	Gary Danielson	76.6	1976-1988	2TM
	Erik Kramer	76.6	1987-1999	4TM
90.	Alex Smith (27)	76.4	2005-2011	sfo
91.	Doug Flutie	76.3	1986-2005	4TM
92.	Stan Humphries	75.8	1989-1997	2TM
93.	Chad Henne (26)	75.7	2008-2011	mia
94.	J.P. Losman (30)	75.6	2004-2011	3TM
	Wade Wilson	75.6	1981-1998	5TM
96.	Steve Bartkowski	75.4	1975-1986	2TM
	Trent Edwards	75.4	2007-2010	2TM
98.	Ken Stabler	75.3	1970-1984	3TM
	Scott Mitchell	75.3	1991-2001	4TM
	Steve Bono	75.3	1985-1999	7TM
101.	Jim Miller	75.2	1995-2002	2TM
102.	Tim Couch	75.1	1999-2003	cle
	Norm Van Brocklin+	75.1	1949-1960	2TM
104.	Vinny Testaverde	75.0	1987-2007	7TM
	Sid Luckman+	75.0	1939-1950	chi
	Ryan Fitzpatrick (29)	75.0	2005-2011	3TM
107.	David Carr (32)	74.9	2002-2011	4TM
	Chris Miller	74.9	1987-1999	3TM
	Patrick Ramsey	74.9	2002-2008	3TM
110.	Don Meredith	74.8	1960-1968	dal
	Brian Sipe	74.8	1974-1983	cle
112.	Ty Detmer	74.7	1993-2003	5TM
113.	Jake Plummer	74.6	1997-2006	2TM
114.	Vince Young (28)	74.4	2006-2011	2TM
115.	Craig Erickson	74.3	1992-1997	3TM
	Roman Gabriel	74.3	1962-1977	2TM
	Y.A. Tittle+	74.3	1948-1964	3TM
118.	Gus Frerotte	74.2	1994-2008	7TM
	Steve DeBerg	74.2	1978-1998	6TM
	Sam Bradford (24)	74.2	2010-2011	ram
121.	Earl Morrall	74.1	1956-1976	6TM
122.	Kerry Collins (39)	73.8	1995-2011	6TM
123.	Frankie Albert	73.5	1946-1952	sfo
	Hugh Millen	73.5	1987-1995	4TM
	Craig Morton	73.5	1965-1982	3TM
126.	Rodney Peete	73.3	1989-2004	6TM
127.	Mark Sanchez (25)	73.2	2009-2011	nyj
128.	Daryle Lamonica	72.9	1963-1974	2TM
	Greg Landry	72.9	1968-1984	3TM
	Don Majkowski	72.9	1987-1996	3TM
	Frank Reich	72.9	1985-1998	4TM
132.	Ron Jaworski	72.8	1974-1989	4TM
	Tommy Kramer	72.8	1977-1990	2TM
134.	Tommy Maddox	72.4	1992-2005	4TM
	Tony Banks	72.4	1996-2005	4TM
136.	Bubby Brister	72.3	1986-2000	5TM
	John Brodie	72.3	1957-1973	sfo
	John Friesz	72.3	1990-2000	4TM
139.	Sammy Baugh+	72.2	1937-1952	was
	Milt Plum	72.2	1957-1969	4TM
	Billy Wade	72.2	1954-1966	2TM
142.	Gary Hogeboom	71.9	1980-1989	3TM
143.	Jay Schroeder	71.7	1985-1994	4TM
	Quincy Carter	71.7	2001-2004	2TM
145.	Billy Kilmer	71.6	1961-1978	3TM
	Steve Pelluer	71.6	1984-1990	2TM
147.	Bill Munson	71.5	1964-1979	5TM
148.	Rex Grossman (31)	71.4	2003-2011	3TM
149.	Josh McCown (32)	71.2	2002-2011	5TM
150.	Terry Bradshaw+	70.9	1970-1983	pit
	Lynn Dickey	70.9	1971-1985	2TM
152.	Kordell Stewart	70.7	1995-2005	3TM
153.	George Ratterman	70.4	1947-1956	3TM
154.	Trent Dilfer	70.2	1994-2007	5TM
	Bill Nelsen	70.2	1963-1972	2TM
156.	Steve Fuller	70.1	1979-1986	2TM
	Vince Ferragamo	70.1	1977-1986	3TM
158.	Jeff Kemp	70.0	1981-1991	4TM
159.	Steve Grogan	69.6	1975-1990	nwe
	Pat Haden	69.6	1976-1981	ram
161.	Kyle Boller (30)	69.5	2003-2011	3TM
162.	Joey Harrington	69.4	2002-2007	3TM
	Doug Williams	69.4	1978-1989	2TM
164.	Charley Johnson	69.2	1961-1975	3TM
165.	Kent Graham	69.0	1992-2001	4TM
166.	Mike Tomczak	68.9	1985-1999	4TM
167.	Derek Anderson (28)	68.8	2006-2011	3TM
168.	Eric Hipple	68.7	1980-1989	det
169.	Joe Ferguson	68.4	1973-1990	4TM
170.	Charlie Conerly	68.2	1948-1961	nyg
171.	Dave M. Brown	67.9	1992-2001	2TM
172.	Marc Wilson	67.7	1980-1990	2TM
	Billy Joe Tolliver	67.7	1989-1999	5TM
174.	Tom Flores	67.6	1960-1969	3TM
	Richard Todd	67.6	1976-1985	2TM
176.	Jim Plunkett	67.5	1971-1986	3TM
177.	John Hadl	67.4	1962-1977	4TM
178.	Jim Zorn	67.3	1976-1987	3TM
	James Harris	67.3	1969-1979	3TM
180.	Archie Manning	67.1	1971-1984	3TM
181.	Rudy Bukich	66.6	1953-1968	4TM
	Jim Hart	66.6	1966-1984	2TM
183.	Tommy Thompson	66.5	1940-1950	2TM
184.	Steve Walsh	66.4	1989-1999	6TM
185.	Steve Dils	65.8	1979-1988	3TM
186.	David Woodley	65.7	1980-1985	2TM
187.	Joe Namath+	65.5	1965-1977	2TM
	Norm Snead	65.5	1961-1976	5TM
189.	Dave Wilson	63.8	1981-1988	nor
190.	Rick Mirer	63.5	1993-2003	5TM
191.	Bobby Layne+	63.4	1948-1962	4TM
192.	Jack Trudeau	63.3	1986-1995	3TM
	Mike Pagel	63.3	1982-1993	3TM
	Mike Livingston	63.3	1968-1979	kan
195.	Danny Kanell	63.2	1996-2003	3TM
196.	Vince Evans	63.0	1977-1995	2TM
197.	Bobby Thomason	62.9	1949-1957	3TM
198.	Ed Brown	62.8	1954-1965	3TM
199.	Gary Cuozzo	62.1	1963-1972	4TM
200.	Mark Malone	61.9	1980-1989	3TM
201.	Bob Waterfield+	61.6	1945-1952	ram
202.	Eddie LeBaron	61.4	1952-1963	2TM
	Randy Wright	61.4	1984-1988	gnb
204.	Glenn Dobbs	61.0	1946-1949	2TM
205.	George Blanda+	60.6	1949-1975	4TM
206.	Steve Spurrier	60.1	1967-1976	2TM
207.	Babe Parilli	59.6	1952-1969	5TM
208.	David Whitehurst	59.2	1977-1983	gnb
209.	Dan Pastorini	59.1	1971-1983	4TM
210.	Steve Ramsey	58.9	1970-1976	2TM
211.	Jack Kemp	57.3	1957-1969	3TM
212.	Dennis Shaw	56.8	1970-1975	2TM
	Tobin Rote	56.8	1950-1966	4TM
214.	Scott Brunner	56.3	1980-1985	2TM
215.	Jim Ninowski	55.4	1958-1969	4TM
216.	Joe Kapp	55.1	1967-1970	2TM
	Randy Johnson	55.1	1966-1976	4TM
218.	Cotton Davidson	54.9	1954-1968	3TM
219.	Jack Concannon	54.8	1964-1975	4TM
	Paul Christman	54.8	1945-1950	2TM
	Bob Avellini	54.8	1975-1984	chi
222.	Jim Finks+	54.7	1949-1955	pit
223.	Zeke Bratkowski	54.3	1954-1971	3TM
224.	Joe Pisarcik	53.9	1977-1984	2TM
225.	Al Dorow	53.8	1954-1962	4TM
226.	Jim Hardy	53.1	1946-1952	3TM
227.	Dick Wood	52.9	1962-1966	5TM
228.	Mike Phipps	52.6	1970-1981	2TM
229.	Adrian Burk	52.2	1950-1956	2TM
	Frank Tripucka	52.2	1949-1963	4TM
231.	Lamar McHan	50.3	1954-1963	4TM
232.	Arnie Herber+	50.1	1930-1945	2TM
233.	Pete Beathard	49.9	1964-1973	4TM
234.	Bobby Douglass	48.5	1969-1978	4TM
235.	Mike Taliaferro	46.1	1964-1972	3TM

check out #10 douchebag....


theres a reason why i win money and why you follow me around the boards...

because as much as you hate me you want to win money so bad and youre willing to stroke my rooster cause you have no other options

[therushishere]

So Matt Schaub is the 10th best QB of all-time? And Daunte Culpepper is the 14th best QB of all time? And Chad Pennington is better than Dan Marino?

I honestly dont remember you bud. I dont have any bias towards you so any previous opinions I had/have of you obviously stand separate from this- I like to evaluate things on a case by case basis. I'm not sure why you have such unfiltered hatred towards me. Maybe you shouldnt take message boards so seriously. Especially if youre making a case for Schaub being the 10th best QB of all time and being better than Dan Marino. Thats just my 2 cents worth.

[4TH AND STUPID]

So Matt Schaub is the 10th best QB of all-time? And Daunte Culpepper is the 14th best QB of all time? And Chad Pennington is better than Dan Marino?

I honestly dont remember you bud. I dont have any bias towards you so any previous opinions I had/have of you obviously stand separate from this- I like to evaluate things on a case by case basis. I'm not sure why you have such unfiltered hatred towards me. Maybe you shouldnt take message boards so seriously. Especially if youre making a case for Schaub being the 10th best QB of all time and being better than Dan Marino. Thats just my 2 cents worth.

i have no hate toward you whatsoever. i was talking to chargers 4422, a loser who wishes he was me and follows me round the board praying i post a losing pick..



with regards to your post, i was simply talking sports... i think comparing a rookie who hardly did anything in the ncaa with a guy who almost passed for 5000 yards in an nfl season is rediculous, based on a couple of youtube videos. thats why i came at you hard.



as for my post of all-time nfl qb ratings--- no it doesnt PROVE that schaub is one of the best quarterbacks but it certainly makes a good case!!

look at the other guys in the list of the top 10. do they all have something in common? yes they do, they are all pretty damn good, or were at one point in their career.



having said that, at the age of 31, for you to say that schaub going down again would be "the best thing to happen to this team" deserves a harsh response, especially conisdering you claim to know the texans.

[chargers4222]

so, just to clear this up, you will be posting your picks throughout the season correct?

[therushishere]

http://www.universaldraft.com/2011/1...orth-carolina/

Enjoy

[k13]

Seriously, why do you think they should be that high? I think they are top 4 or 5 team this year!

That's not what I "think", that's the number at Pinnacle Sports.

[easyliving]

I think the odds are reasonable. Considering last season there are 4 teams that stand out in the AFC. Of course the Patriots are the clear cut favorites followed by Steelers and Ravens and the Texans a close 4th. However I don't think the Texans D will be as dominant and I'm not sure if Arian Foster can repeat his performance from last year.

[therushishere]

Of course the Patriots are the clear cut favorites followed by Steelers and Ravens and the Texans a close 4th. However I don't think the Texans D will be as dominant and I'm not sure if Arian Foster can repeat his performance from last year.

Unfortunately the opposite is true.

The run game and defense is the strength. They undoubtedly have the best 1-2 punch at RB in the NFL as well as a defense with an elite list of players on the front line along with the shelves stocked and ready to produce in the backline in case of injury.

Not sure if Arian can repeat his performance from last year? No offense, but at this rate, by the time you catch on hell be retired and engraved in Canton. By the numbers, his performance actually decreased from the year before to last due to Tate becoming a larger part of the offense. They had two 1,000 yard rushers. Let that sink in for a minute. 2 of them. Most of the league would be happy if they somehow found one. But they had two.

Antonio Smith has been a Pro-Bowler before, JJ Watt might be the best 3-4 end of his time, Barwin would have had close to 20 sacks had he been playing weak-side rushing LB the whole year before Mario went down, Cushing might be the best all-around ILB in the game, Joseph is a top 3 corner in this league, and Manning and Quinn both have Pro-Bowl potential (and Manning will get there this year).

If theres anything to be concerned about its the passing game. Can Schaub hang with the big boys come playoff time? Can Yates continue to build on his success as a rookie? How many games will Andre Johnson and Kevin Walter play? There isnt a single wideout behing them with an NFL catch. These are the concerns at the core of this team. Not the defense and run game.

[4TH AND STUPID]

so, just to clear this up, you will be posting your picks throughout the season correct?

are you still paying your gambling debts with welfare money?

[chargers4222]

sure, whatever helps you sleep at night. as long as your promise to keep a thread with your picks