[jjgold]

Unreal

Never saw that before

[sweep]

where can i see them??

Limits prob set low

[jjgold]

WEEK 1
Dallas Cowboys at New York Giants -3
Indianapolis Colts at Chicago Bears -9.5
Philadelphia Eagles -7 at Cleveland Browns
New England Patriots -6.5 at Tennessee Titans
Atlanta Falcons at Kansas City Chiefs pick ‘em
Jacksonville Jaguars at Minnesota Vikings -4
Washington Redskins at New Orleans Saints -9.5
Buffalo Bills at New York Jets -5
St. Louis Rams at Detroit Lions -9.5
Miami Dolphins at Houston Texans -6.5
San Francisco 49ers at Green Bay Packers -6.5
Seattle Seahawks at Arizona Cardinals -2
Carolina Panthers -3 at Tampa Bay Buccanneers
Pittsburgh Steelers at Denver Broncos -2
Cincinnati Bengals at Baltimore Ravens -6.5
San Diego Chargers at Oakland Raiders pick ‘em

WEEK 2
Chicago Bears at Green Bay Packers -7.5
Kansas City Chiefs at Buffalo Bills -2.5
Cleveland Browns at Cincinnati Bengals -7
Minnesota Vikings at Indianapolis Colts -2.5
New Orleans Saints -2.5 at Carolina Panthers
Houston Texans -5.5 at Jacksonville Jaguars
Oakland Raiders at Miami Dolphins -3.5
Arizona Cardinals at New England Patriots -13
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New York Giants -9
Baltimore Ravens at Philadelphia Eagles -3.5
Washington Redskins at St. Louis Rams pick ‘em
Dallas Cowboys at Seattle Seahawks -1.5
New York Jets at Pittsburgh Steelers -4.5
Tennessee Titans at San Diego Chargers -6
Detroit Lions at San Francisco 49ers -3.5
Denver Broncos at Atlanta Falcons -2.5

WEEK 3
New York Giants at Carolina Panthers pick ‘em
St. Louis Rams at Chicago Bears -7.5
Buffalo Bills -1 at Cleveland Browns
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Dallas Cowboys -7
New York Jets at Miami Dolphins -1
San Francisco 49ers -4.5 at Minnesota Vikings
Kansas City Chiefs at New Orleans Saints -7
Cincinnati Bengals at Washington Redskins -1.5
Detroit Lions -1 at Tennessee Titans
Jacksonville Jaguars at Indianapolis Colts -3.5
Philadelphia Eagles -3 at Arizona Cardinals
Atlanta Falcons at San Diego Chargers -3.5
Houston Texans at Denver Broncos pick ‘em
Pittsburgh Steelers -3 at Oakland Raiders
New England Patriots -1.5 at Baltimore Ravens
Green Bay Packers -6 at Seattle Seahawks

WEEK 4
Cleveland Browns at Baltimore Ravens -10
Carolina Panthers at Atlanta Falcons -4.5
New England Patriots -5.5 at Buffalo Bills
Minnesota Vikings at Detroit Lions -9
San Diego Chargers -1 at Kansas City Chiefs
Seattle Seahawks -1 at St. Louis Rams
San Francisco 49ers at New York Jets -1
Tennessee Titans at Houston Texans -7.5
Miami Dolphins at Arizona Cardinals -2.5
Cincinnati Bengals -2.5 at Jacksonville Jaguars
Oakland Raiders at Denver Broncos -7
New Orleans Saints at Green Bay Packers -7
Washington Redskins at Tampa Bay Buccaneers -1
New York Giants at Philadelphia Eagles -4
Chicago Bears at Dallas Cowboys -3

WEEK 5
Arizona Cardinals at St. Louis Rams -1
Miami Dolphins at Cincinnati Bengals -2.5
Green Bay Packers -9.5 at Indianapolis Colts
Baltimore Ravens -3 at Kansas City Chiefs
Tennessee Titans at Minnesota Vikings pick ‘em
Atlanta Falcons -1.5 at Washington Redskins
Cleveland Browns at New York Giants -9.5
Philadelphia Eagles at Pittsburgh Steelers -1
Seattle Seahawks at Carolina Panthers -3.5
Chicago Bears -3 at Jacksonville Jaguars
Denver Broncos at New England Patriots -7
Buffalo Bills at San Francisco 49ers -7.5
San Diego Chargers at New Orleans Saints -4
Houston Texans at New York Jets pick ‘em

WEEK 6
Pittsburgh Steelers -1.5 at Tennessee Titans
Oakland Raiders at Atlanta Falcons -6.5
Cincinnati Bengals -2 at Cleveland Browns
St. Louis Rams at Miami Dolphins -4.5
Indianapolis Colts at New York Jets -7.5
Detroit Lions at Philadelphia Eagles -4.5
Dallas Cowboys at Baltimore Ravens -5.5
Kansas City Chiefs at Tampa Bay Buccaneers pick ‘em
New England Patriots -6 at Seattle Seahawks
Buffalo Bills at Arizona Cardinals -2.5
New York Giants at San Francisco 49ers -3
Minnesota Vikings at Washington Redskins -4
Green Bay Packers -1.5 at Houston Texans
Denver Broncos at San Diego Chargers -2.5

WEEK 7
Seattle Seahawks at San Francisco 49ers -7
Tennessee Titans at Buffalo Bills -3.5
Cleveland Browns at Indianapolis Colts -3
Washington Redskins at New York Giants -7
New Orleans Saints -4 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dallas Cowboys at Carolina Panthers -1
Baltimore Ravens at Houston Texans -3
Green Bay Packers -9.5 at St. Louis Rams
Arizona Cardinals at Minnesota Vikings -1
New York Jets at New England Patriots -8
Jacksonville Jaguars at Oakland Raiders -5.5
Pittsburgh Steelers -1.5 at Cincinnati Bengals
Detroit Lions at Chicago Bears -2.5

WEEK 8
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Minnesota Vikings -3
Carolina Panthers at Chicago Bears -4
San Diego Chargers -3.5 at Cleveland Browns
Seattle Seahawks at Detroit Lions -6.5
Jacksonville Jaguars at Green Bay Packers -14
Indianapolis Colts at Tennessee Titans -6
New England Patriots -11 vs. St. Louis Rams (in Longdon)
Miami Dolphins at New York Jets -4.5
Atlanta Falcons at Philadelphia Eagles -6.5
Washington Redskins at Pittsburgh Steelers -7
Oakland Raiders at Kansas City Chiefs -4
New York Giants at Dallas Cowboys -2.5
New Orleans Saints at Denver Broncos -2.5
San Francisco 49ers -3 at Arizona Cardinals

WEEK 9
Kansas City Chiefs at San Diego Chargers -5.5
Denver Broncos at Cincinnati Bengals pick ‘em
Baltimore Ravens -5.5 at Cleveland Browns
Arizona Cardinals at Green Bay Packers -13
Chicago Bears -1 at Tennessee Titans
Miami Dolphins -1 at Indianapolis Colts
Carolina Panthers at Washington Redskins -1
Detroit Lions -4.5 at Jacksonville Jaguars
Buffalo Bills at Houston Texans -7
Tampa Bay Buccanneers at Oakland Raiders -4.5
Minnesota Vikings at Seattle Seahawks -5.5
Pittsburgh Steelers at New York Giants -3
Dallas Cowboys at Atlanta Falcons -2.5
Philadelphia Eagles at New Orleans Saints -2.5

WEEK 10
Indianapolis Colts at Jacksonville Jaguars -3
New York Giants at Cincinnati Bengals pick ‘em
Tennessee Titans at Miami Dolphins -3.5
Detroit Lions -3.5 at Minnesota Vikings
Buffalo Bills at New England Patriots -11.5
Atlanta Falcons at New Orleans Saints -5.5
San Diego Chargers -3 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Denver Broncos at Carolina Panthers pick ‘em
Oakland Raiders at Baltimore Ravens -8
New York Jets at Seattle Seahawks -1.5
Dallas Cowboys at Philadelphia Eagles -4.5
St. Louis Rams at San Francisco 49ers -9
Houston Texans at Chicago Bears -1
Kansas City Chiefs at Pittsburgh Steelers -7

WEEK 11
Miami Dolphins at Buffalo Bills -2.5
Arizona Cardinals at Atlanta Falcons -6
Cleveland Browns at Dallas Cowboys -7.5
Green Bay Packers -3 at Detroit Lions
Cincinnati Bengals at Kansas City Chiefs -2.5
New York Jets -3 at St. Louis Rams
Indianapolis Colts at New England Patriots -14
Philadelphia Eagles -3.5 at Washington Redskins
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Carolina Panthers -6
Jacksonville Jaguars at Houston Texans -10.5
New Orleans Saints -3 at Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers at Denver Broncos -3.5
Baltimore Ravens at Pittsburgh Steelers -3
Chicago Bears at San Francisco 49ers -4.5

WEEK 12
Houston Texans at Detroit Lions -2.5
Washington Redskins at Dallas Cowboys -6
New England Patriots -5 at New York Jets
Minnesota Vikings at Chicago Bears -7.5
Oakland Raiders at Cincinnati Bengals -4.5
Pittsburgh Steelers -6 at Cleveland Browns
Buffalo Bills -1 at Indianapolis Colts
Denver Broncos at Kansas City Chiefs -1
Seattle Seahawks at Miami Dolphins -3
Atlanta Falcons -2.5 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tennessee Titans -1 at Jacksonville Jaguars
Baltimore Ravens at San Diego Chargers -1
St. Louis Rams at Arizona Cardinals -3.5
San Francisco 49ers at New Orleans Saints -3.5
Green Bay Packers -3 at New York Giants
Carolina Panthers at Philadelphia Eagles -7

WEEK 13
New Orleans Saints at Atlanta Falcons -2.5
Jacksonville Jaguars at Buffalo Bills -5.5
Seattle Seahawks at Chicago Bears -5.5
Indianapolis Colts at Detroit Lions -9.5
Minnesota Vikings at Green Bay Packers -13.5
Houston Texans -3 at Tennessee Titans
Carolina Panthers at Kansas City Chiefs -3
San Francisco 49ers -5.5 at St. Louis Rams
New England Patriots -6.5 at Miami Dolphins
Arizona Cardinals at New York Jets -6.5
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Denver Broncos -8.5
Cincinnati Bengals at San Diego Chargers -5.5
Cleveland Browns at Oakland Raiders -4.5
Pittsburgh Steelers at Baltimore Ravens -3
Philadelphia Eagles -1 at Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants -2.5 at Washington Redskins

WEEK 14
Denver Broncos -1.5 at Oakland Raiders
St. Louis Rams at Buffalo Bills -6
Dallas Cowboys at Cincinnati Bengals -1
Kansas City Chiefs -1.5 at Cleveland Browns
Philadelphia Eagles -5.5 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Baltimore Ravens -3.5 at Washington Redskins
Atlanta Falcons at Carolina Panthers -1
New York Jets -3.5 at Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans at Indianapolis Colts pick ‘em
Chicago Bears -2.5 at Minnesota Vikings
San Diego Chargers at Pittsburgh Steelers -3.5
Miami Dolphins at San Francisco 49ers -7
Arizona Cardinals at Seattle Seahawks -4
New Orleans Saints at New York Giants -2.5
Detroit Lions at Green Bay Packers -7.5
Houston Texans at New England Patriots -6.5

WEEK 15
Cincinnati Bengals at Philadelphia Eagles -7
New York Giants at Atlanta Falcons -1.5
Green Bay Packers -3 at Chicago Bears
Washington Redskins -1 at Cleveland Browns
Minnesota Vikings at St. Louis Rams -3
Jacksonville Jaguars at Miami Dolphins -7.5
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at New Orleans Saints -10
Denver Broncos at Baltimore Ravens -3.5
Indianapolis Colts at Houston Texans -10.5
Detroit Lions -1.5 at Arizona Cardinals
Carolina Panthers at San Diego Chargers -5.5
Seattle Seahawks at Buffalo Bills -3.5
Pittsburgh Steelers at Dallas Cowboys -1.5
Kansas City Chiefs at Oakland Raiders -2.5
San Francisco 49ers at New England Patriots -6.5
New York Jets at Tennessee Titans pick ‘em

WEEK 16
Atlanta Falcons at Detroit Lions -4
New Orleans Saints -1 at Dallas Cowboys
Tennessee Titans at Green Bay Packers -11
Indianapolis Colts at Kansas City Chiefs -6
Buffalo Bills at Miami Dolphins -3
Washington Redskins at Philadelphia Eagles -9
Cincinnati Bengals at Pittsburgh Steelers -6
St. Louis Rams at Tampa Bay Buccaneers -2.5
Oakland Raiders at Carolina Panthers -4.5
New England Patriots -9 at Jacksonville Jaguars
New York Giants at Baltimore Ravens -3.5
Minnesota Vikings at Houston Texans -10
Cleveland Browns at Denver Broncos -8.5
San Francisco 49ers -2.5 at Seattle Seahawks
Chicago Bears -1 at Arizona Cardinals
San Diego Chargers at New York Jets -2.5

[Rich Boy]

covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=273815

[Ghenghis Kahn]

that is just strange. do they just want people's money for months so they can collect interest?

[Leo Bello]

Unreal

Never saw that before

I am impressed as you are, JJ, but is it really such a big gamble to outguess what is going to happen in week 6 or 7, or week 9 or 10? Do you notice that most lines are around pick, 3, 6, 7 10? I mean what if you tell me to select the weather for July 14: it rains at all—even; no rain -120. How about August 24: rains -110; no rain -115. Limit $10,000. Cantor gets good publicity; early action from most people who have no edge. They will tweak these daily. Don't get me wrong, it's revolutionary; we're all impressed. But is it really such a gamble? Then again, what do I know. Anyway, thanks for the info. Bettors can only benefit when books are competing for the players' dollar.

[AribaAriba]

this been going on for years LOl cant believe u dnt noe that for someone gambles for a long time...

[PickWinnerAllDay]

So Bears are predicted to go 11-4? Where is the 17th week?

[Sunde91]

nice to reference this later on. way to go michael jack

can already tell Carolina will be insanely overrated. -1 vs Dallas lol..they would have been +4 minimum last year

Cowboys undervalued, Giants overvalued. Cowboys +3 @Giants week 1 might be one of the easiest bets of the year. Cowboys +1.5 in Seattle wow.

[MoneyLineDawg]

God I would love to hammer the Jets +1 @ Dolphins in week 4 and Jets -4.5 vs. Dolphins in week 8

Also Bengals -2.5 at home vs. Dolphins??? Really?? Pound the Fukk out of that

[nikossf]

They have done this for years. Always release early lines for most games really early. Most of the times its the bigger games.. Games of the year..type games.. but they have done this the last few years. Before that I believe it was the hilton super book or someone..cant really remember..but I have seen this previous season..
why is everyone so surprised?

[ZetaPsi808]

giants only -3 at home to the cowboys??

this line will be -4 by kickoff time

giants should win easily and that line is way too low

[nikossf]

They have done this for years. Always release early lines for most games really early. Most of the times its the bigger games.. Games of the year..type games.. but they have done this the last few years. Before that I believe it was the hilton super book or someone..cant really remember..but I have seen this previous season..
why is everyone so surprised?

Correction.. Just looked up previous years "Early line" releases.. Cantor has previously listed lines for complete season mid-june.

[Ethan1122]

Eagles the favorite in every game except for 2? Eagles are +1 VS Steelers and +2.5 VS Saints. Also you're missing week 17.

[jjgold]

it proves is that the NFL is unbeatable

Anyone can beat anyone on any given Sunday

[wantitall4moi]

They have done this for years, its where traders and buy back guys take shots early and look to middle games if the like is off. Most of these 2.5 games will get hit looking for soft 3s or maybe even full 3.5s. Same witht he 3.5s where guys will look for 2.5s and soft 3s.

There is a pretty standard formula for spreads in the NFL and the numbers dont change all that much even with injuries or perceived better or worse than expected teams.

But right now it looks like they arent giving the Bronocs a Manning factor, theyre dogs or PK ems in more than half their games. So basically they figure Broncos will be worse with Manning than they were with Tebow at least in terms of predicted wins. Basically 7-5 and 3 toss up games. With only 3 of those wins as 'sure things', spread wise anyway.

If you ask me Bronvcos will be vastly over rated all year so getting small numbers on them early could help.

Assuming you think manning can last the whole year, which I think is less than a coin flip chance.

[jjgold]

Its amazing how these lines will not change much vs these posted lines

Books love when you max bet NFL Games

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Its amazing how these lines will not change much vs these posted lines

Books love when you max bet NFL Games

Lines will change a ton JJ, based solely on injuries. A couple of teams will lose their starting QB and their lines will be vastly different.

[milwaukee mike]

So Bears are predicted to go 11-4? Where is the 17th week?

only predicted to go 11-4 if you assume they're going to win all 3 games as a -1 and both games as -2 1/2


win total over/under is 8.5 with the over juiced which sounds about right

[wantitall4moi]

Lines will change a ton JJ, based solely on injuries. A couple of teams will lose their starting QB and their lines will be vastly different.

not that much, maybe a point or a point and a half to open. Only a few QBs qill effect a line greatly, and even then maybe only short term if the team shows it can play with the back up. When brady went down a couple years ago lines were maybe 2-2.5 points off, once they figured out the other guy could win they went right back to where they would have been with brady. At least on the openers, bettors will move them but openers are based on a pretty specific set of standards.

[thetrinity]

who cares plenty of shit better to bet on right now

[Joe Dogs]

New England and Green Bay, are favored to win each game,every week.

[thetrinity]

guys, its not hard to figure out why they dont have week 17 up there by the way.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

only predicted to go 11-4 if you assume they're going to win all 3 games as a -1 and both games as -2 1/2


win total over/under is 8.5 with the over juiced which sounds about right

Bears were a very good team last year and improved and have an easier schedule this year. Over 8.5 might be the best NFL bet you can make this year.

[k13]

Predicting a few teams that will overachieve/underachieve will give you a huge edge here.


People saying the lines will only move a few points......lol
All Niners games moved HUGE last year, we are talking about a pk to -9 and -3.5 to -14 type moves.


This will happen again.

[PickWinnerAllDay]

Predicting a few teams that will overachieve/underachieve will give you a huge edge here.


People saying the lines will only move a few points......lol
All Niners games moved HUGE last year, we are talking about a pk to -9 and -3.5 to -14 type moves.


This will happen again.

Is the over/under really 8.5 on the Bears?

Bears were on pace to be 11-5 or 10-6 last year with a harder schedule before Forte/Cutler go down and now they are only over 8.5 with an easier schedule and a better team?

[a4u2fear]

Can you actually bet these? Would be really stupid

[big0mar]

They've been doing this for 5 years now

[big0mar]

Can you actually bet these? Would be really stupid

Why would it be stupid?

[k13]

Is the over/under really 8.5 on the Bears?

Bears were on pace to be 11-5 or 10-6 last year with a harder schedule before Forte/Cutler go down and now they are only over 8.5 with an easier schedule and a better team?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post13721671

It was but the juice was -210 on the over.....

[byronbb]

I guess it makes sense because people will be able to make bets on "their team" for the whole year.

[rm18]

Chiefs -1 vs. Broncos week 12 the biggest lock of all times

[yisman]

jj, you're a little behind

http://insider.espn.go.com/insider/b...ines-nfl-games

[jjgold]

Yisman call me

[PickWinnerAllDay]

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/players-ta...l#post13721671

It was but the juice was -210 on the over.....

I wish it'd just move to 9 so I could pound the over at reasonable juice.