[cocknocker]

Alright roasthawg,

The loser must send the winner a bottle of is favorite after hour drink.

Here's what i like without benefit of concrete spread numbers so far. I like Atlanta Falcons-1 or with any spread against the Cardinals, and I like the Chargers as a PK so far against the Colts. One hot team one not so hot team.

Of course I will take the spread presented at any time on Friday night through Saturday morning. There's a great chance that i will wait on both until Saturday morning. I will use Greek.com in this matchup.

So that's my two teams to move on and two totals to make a move on...

1/3/08
Atlanta Falcons-1 (They will be an underdog by Saturday)
San Diego Chargers (PK) (They will also be an false underdog by Saturday)

1/4/08

Vikings/Eagles under 41.5
Ravens/Dolphins over 37.5

BTW I like Jack Daniels' Single Barrel

Those are my 4 picks, homes. Let's get it crankin'

[w9ii9]

Hey whats up CK, whats going on here? This battle seems interesting. Hey I want to battle somebody.

[ClayBalls]

I want to play the Falcons, but my book started at -2.5. Do you really feel like the line will move in Arizona's favor? It looks to me with 73% of the early bets on Atlanta that maybe everyone has figured out that the Cardinals aren't any good.

[cocknocker]

w9119,

Me and roasthawg have a good thing going on here. I don't know if he wants to include anyone else in this, it's basically the Battle for the Bottle!

[w9ii9]

i don't want to battle you guys. i guess i'll battle myself. one of me will win.

[wangichu]

love the chargers... they historically own the mannings and the chargers are hot right now. also think i may have to fire on philly too... they are the hot team in the NFC coming into the playoffs (except maybe the falcons) and are always good coming off a division game especially a division win. Plus, there is just an ENORMOUS disparage at QB and i just don't see tavaris or ferotte getting it done against that savage of a defense. Also, the NFC east is really a better division than the south and that's one of the credentials i like.... i know the public will be heavy on the eagles, so i may back off, but i can't see the vikings having the team to beat the eagles, especially with so much momentum coming in.

that reverse line movement in the falcons cards game is a little suspect. I almost think that may be a bit of a trap... remember, it is matt ryan's first playoff game and while he's been nails all year long, zona has been good at home and the falcons have been susceptible away from home.

are you trying to keep people other than you and hawg from posting here, CK?

[cocknocker]

Naw, Wang, you are official CK Mafia type, you can post wherever you want to on anything I'm affiliated with. Yeah, I don't know if I like Atlanta too much now, but I think that Arizona's defense is terrible.

[peterpan19]

ck
dont underestimate the Cardinals D
Their DL is really good (not great but they should put some pressure on Ryan) and CB Hood and DRC are also very good.
I also wouldnt under estimate someone like A-Dub, he is waiting for this one game his entire carrer, and so does the Arizona fan base, the stadium will be rocking.
About the Offense I dont have to say anything, we all know that Warner and company can take every defense apart on a good day.
So I dont know, might be the surprise game of the week, bc a lot of people still see them as the old Cards who cant win anything.
Basicly it comes down to who can score more points, and I have to give the nod to a multiple MVP and superbowl winner instead of a rookie QB here
Hey but I am a Cardinals fan, so my oppinion is a bit inflated here

GL ck with the rest of your picks

[cocknocker]

Funny that you say that, peterpan19,

Okay, I have had enough time to look over things, and I am changing my plays on one of my picks for Saturday, and I am rolling with the Cardinals+1, and I am still liking the Chargers, the hottest teams coming into the playoffs. What I like about both situations is that the home dogs play on different surfaces than the teams coming in.


Saturday card

Cardinals+1
Chargers+1

[peterpan19]

Funny that you say that, peterpan19,

what was the funny part of my statement ?

Good to see that you changed your mind ck

Go CARDINALS

[cweh]

Zona game is a trap!! Both teams have suspect D. Fans will be a factor since this is a home playoff. Warner/Boldin/Fitz/Bres is more dangrous then Ryan/White/Turner/???

take the +1, I'm a seahawk fan, so you know my opinion is not based on my team, since I hate ZONA

[BigDeal]

so where's the hawg? I want to see his picks. BTW good job switching to Zona they will win by 10. If anyones thinking over/under 51 the answer is OVER! These teams have no D. AZ rolls 38-28. Only to get smached 7 days later.

[showtime2000]

CK, nice looking card for Saturday. Strong trends for these games,

Atl@ARi
-atl Over versus NFC west division last 3 years
-atl 0-8ats after 2 or more conseuctive wins last 3 years
-arizona Over 6-1 this year as dog
-ariazona Over 7-1 this year at home
-arizona Over 21-6 as dog last 3 years
-arizona Over 17-7 home games last 3 years
-Arizona Over 6-0 when playing a team with a winning record this year
-araizona Over 14-3 when playing a team with a winning record last 3 years
-head to head Over is 4-0 in the last 4 meetings in Arizona
-head to head Over is 6-1 in the last 7 meetings


Ind@SD
-colts are 1-4ats in the last 5 games head to head
-underdog is 6-0ats last 6 head to head
-Ind Under 0-7 when palying on a saturday(really stupid but still a trend)
-SD Under 3-10 in January games
-SD 12-3ats against AFC south
-SD 8-2ats revenging a loss against opponent

CK, 2 questions for ya,
1. Is the Over the play aswell with the strong trends pointing towards the Over?
2. What about SD at the half? Look at these numbers,

Ind @ half all games 10 points for and 9 against
Ind @ half road games 7 points for and 12 against
Ind @ half grass games 8 points for and 12 against
Ind @ half 14 points at the half and 9 against (misleading because they played Ten last week which was a wash, Jack the previous week and they were down by 10 @ the half and Detroit the one before that)


SD @ the half all games 12 points for and 12 against
SD @ the half home games 16 points for and 9 against
SD @ the half last 3 games 15 points for and 10 against

With the clear advantage of SD at home and them being the hotter team and Ind poor showing on the road is SD at the half a strong play aswell?

[cocknocker]

I don't know showtime2000,

I can't answer any more questions until roasthawg answers the questions.

Look boys,

Arizona+1
San Diego+1

That's all I know

[Dana4U]

Any after dinner drink? Could you pick Remy XO or King Louis as the bottle of choice?

[cocknocker]

Dana4U,

I like Gentleman Jack


Plays for Sunday

Ravens-3 (buying a hook off)
Philly/Vikes under 41


roasthawg, where you at?

[cocknocker]

Alright, roasthawg. I'm 2-0 on the playoffs so far. It's time for you to join in, my good man.

[roasthawg]

Should've pm'd me ck...I told you I post all my picks in the best bets thread. 3-1 today...both home dogs and unders.

[cocknocker]

Well let's keep it in here. There are so many best bets threads that I can easily get confused. I'm in my 40's and slipin' a little bit, lol! What ya like for tomorrow, homes? I picked the Ravens and pulled the hook off, and I also like the under in Minny/Philly 41. I think that the defenses will neutralize each of the other team's strengths. If I had to pick a side in that one, the slight edge goes to Philly for having been there and done that. But that AP can hit the hole unlike any back i have seen in a while. Man he's fast. Anyway good luck to you on your plays tomorrow. Us Northern Cali boys gotta keep stuffin our pockets!

[Skanless1]

where in Ncal are y'all both from? i'm from Ncal myself as you can see. (PM me if you don't want to post it here).

[cocknocker]

I am from Oakland, and now I live in Vallejo

[roasthawg]

Here's all my picks for the weekend with the link...

Ari +1 and under 51
Mia +3.5 and over 37.5
SD +1 and under 51
Minn +3



http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nfl-handic...-4th-09-a.html

[cocknocker]

Hey roastie,

I am changing my play to the over 41 for Minnesota and Philly! So far 3-0

[roasthawg]

Man I sure did take it on the chin today...0-3 gives me a losing weekend in the NFL at 3-4. Nice start for you though, I know you're kicking yourself for changing that under! I'll probably post my NFL plays tomorrow in the bb's thread, I'll put them in here too.

[cocknocker]

Man am I ever! I had the game pegged correctly at first. We'll get em next week. So far i like Baltimore+3 and Carolina. The ravens are hot and they have an excellent defense too. With a not so fresh Albert Haynesworth, Tennesse doesn't stand a chance. And let's not forget that Kerry Collins is still a subpar quarterback albeit he has had some good success this year. More than likely, if the ravens are still +3 by the weekend, i would have to add a hook onto the spread and take them at +3.5

[ManBearPig]

Man am I ever! I had the game pegged correctly at first. We'll get em next week. So far i like Baltimore+3 and Carolina. The ravens are hot and they have an excellent defense too. With a not so fresh Albert Haynesworth, Tennesse doesn't stand a chance. And let's not forget that Kerry Collins is still a subpar quarterback albeit he has had some good success this year. More than likely, if the ravens are still +3 by the weekend, i would have to add a hook onto the spread and take them at +3.5

I don't like you fadin my Titans so in this case only do I hope you're wrong. I dont like our QB too much but he's been to a SB and has been around long enough that I hope this experince is enough to give us a slight edge over Flac...unless he turns out to be another Big Ben. Either way I like the home field advantage and think that could be the difference here...this game is gonna be too close to call. Balt gonna be lookin for revenge for the earlier loss this year so they will bring it and I hope TENN isnt still hung over from the bye week and forgets to show up...

[roasthawg]

Took some early overs, hope the weather is nice on gameday...

Balt/Tenn over 34.5
Phi/NYG over 40.5
SD/Pit over 38

[cocknocker]

Alright, roasthawg,

So far I like the:

Ravens+anything but I sure would like +3.5
Giants-4
Panthers-9.5
Steelers-20, lol! The Chargers don't have a chance!

[cocknocker]

The Panthers and Ravens will meet in the Super Bowl, and the Ravens will win the whole thing with a rookie quarterback

[roasthawg]

Well I'm locked and loaded with those three overs...I doubt I play any sides unless there's some line movement I like. Good luck this week!

[cocknocker]

Alright, roastie, here's what I got

Ravens+3.5 (I am buying a hook)
Panthers-9.5 (buying a hook)
New York Football Giants -4 Look for the running game to improve
Pittsburgh Steelers-6

[Dana4U]

Not that it matters .... but I played the exact same choices as you CK. However, I got Panthers at -9.5 without having to buy it down and Pittsburgh at -5.5 without a buy down.

Let's hope these all come home!

Alright, roastie, here's what I got

Ravens+3.5 (I am buying a hook)
Panthers-9.5 (buying a hook)
New York Football Giants -4 Look for the running game to improve
Pittsburgh Steelers-6

[cocknocker]

Roastie,

I am getting off of the Steelers now. I think that the Chargers have some good old fashioned momentum going homes. I am beginning to think that that game will be decided by a field goal now.

[Skanless1]

I am from Oakland, and now I live in Vallejo

i was born in V-town.

good luck to both y'all NCal playas!

[cocknocker]

Alright roastie,

I have solidified my final plays for Saturday with one change in mind.

Ravens+3.5

Cardinals+10.5 I decided that there has not been enough movement on this one for me to back the panthers