[EDDIE MONEY LINE]

They are called "teasers" for a reason. That is all I will say.

[milwaukee mike]

While I don't agree with how brahmabull comes across a lot of the time, it seems as if you are just arguing against his point just because he's brahma and trying to totally blast his point without even looking into it. I mean, are you really asking how the Ravens did if you had them in a Wong teaser last week? Neither the Ravens, Bears, Chiefs nor Chargers were "teaseable" if using a Wong teaser system. Obviously, teasers aren't the only way to bet NFL as brahma is claiming, but they are a valuable tool and you just look like a dumbass for completely disregarding them and attacking brahma. The difference between Wong teasers and 20 point teasers is huge, and you're making totally irrelevant arguments.

this might be true, but brahmabull set this up by saying that wong teasers were profitable pretty much every week for years. and then saying he only looked at "6 or 7 weeks", how can you take any research seriously when they don't even know how many weeks they looked at, and when they only pick 6 or 7 weeks out of 51 (assuming 3 years of regular season)?

to win 52.4 percent of your teasers you need to be able to win the individual games approximately 72.5 percent of the time, which is pretty much EXACTLY the amount of time a leg of a wong teaser covers.

rather than look at a few random weeks, here is 10 years worth of stats:

Wong Teasers
Bet	Wins	Games	Ratio Wins	Standard Deviation
Home underdogs	90	126	71.43%	3.98%
Home favorites	109	144	75.69%	3.72%
Away underdogs	124	170	72.94%	3.42%
Away favorites	31	48	64.58%	6.44%
All home	199	270	73.70%	2.72%
All away	155	218	71.10%	3.02%
All underdogs	214	296	72.30%	2.59%
All favorites	140	192	72.92%	3.22%
All	354	488	72.54%	2.02%

[milwaukee mike]

and here's the expected return for the last 10 years depending on your book's payout structure, as you can see with a normal 2-team teaser -110 the return is just barely positive, probably nothing close to what brahmabull thinks/claims it is:

Wong Teaser Expected Return
Picks	Pays	Expected Return
2	10 to 11	0.46%
2	5 to 6	-3.53%
3	9 to 5	6.88%
3	8 to 5	-0.75%
3	7 to 5	-8.39%
4	3 to 1	10.76%
4	14 to 5	5.22%
4	13 to 5	-0.31%
4	5 to 2	-3.08%
4	12 to 5	-5.85%
4	17 to 10	-25.24%
5	5 to 1	20.52%
5	9 to 2	10.48%
5	4 to 1	0.44%
5	3 to 1	-19.65%
6	7 to 1	16.57%
6	13 to 2	9.29%
6	6 to 1	2.00%
6	9 to 2	-19.86%
7	11 to 1	26.84%
7	10 to 1	16.27%
7	9 to 1	5.70%
7	8 to 1	-4.87%
7	7 to 1	-15.44%
8	15 to 1	22.68%
8	12 to 1	-0.32%
8	10 to 1	-15.65%

[Jive]

Look, different people are going to be better at different things. Some people just have a knack at picking games that will go under the total, others have an uncanny ability at picking overs. Jim might be good at putting together teasers while Bob loses his backside when he tries to play teasers. You need to figure out what you are good at and play them heavier, and figure out what you suck at and stay away from that (and we ALL suck at something).

If you can make money off of teasers, don't let anyone talk you out of it. But the best post in this thread is DrStale's. You have to realize that if anything is "easy" for the community at large to beat, it is going to quickly become too expensive to be profitable. Wong teasers aren't new and you will have to pay to play them, so please don't bet them blindly or as a system. Pick the ones that you put money on with a purpose and some thought. By no means should you play every game just because it fits some pre-defined criteria based solely on the line.

[rfr3sh]

what you posted are not wong teasers

wong teasers are dogs 1.5 to 2.5 and favs 7.5 to 8.5 wow

[gauchojake]

what you posted are not wong teasers

wong teasers are dogs 1.5 to 2.5 and favs 7.5 to 8.5 wow

This is the reason that people tune out or argue with the guy. He starts in about "wong" teasers and then makes up his own criteria for the teaser never even stating a price or number of teams in the teaser. It's possible he came up with a winning formula and should be calling them "brahma" teasers but the guy comes off as such a blow hard it's hard to do anything but mess with him.

[dabomguy11]

Like I said, I don't always agree with how brahma comes across, and he as has been pointed out, he hasn't exactly used the exact criteria for Wong teasers, and his research is definitely shoddy at best. However, the poster I quoted was no better than brahma when he just attacked the theory purely because brahma brought it up, not because he had any knowledge about it. As has been noted by bettors who actually are knowledgeable about Wong teasers, for Wong teasers to be successful at a meaningful level, they must be bet at 2-teamers at EV, 3-teamers at +180, and 4-teamers at +300.

[gauchojake]

brahma let's patent this shit and write a book. how many teams and at what price are you betting these bad boys?

[P.F.Kasooff]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

[boneheaded1]

I like the 3 team 10 point and the 4 team 13 point teasers. I'm putting aside some of my bank to play and track to see how I do. I started a thread Boneheaded1's Teaser Thread.

I think with the right mix week to week, a win % of 75 is very doable. At a 75% win ratio, these are profitable. I'm going to run concurrent with my favorites moneyline parlay strategy which was profitable for me last year (with huge swings mind you). But then again, I've only been betting online since the beginning of last season (NFL/NCAAF). Just discovered teasers this season so I'm a relative noob.

but like a kid touching a hot stove you really have to be burned before you listen to others. Mainly because there's plenty of dipsh!ts on here (like me) who think they know what they are talking about. Or think they have an edge.

The only TRUE edge in my opinion is take what the bookies give you. Don't stretch for anything.

[gauchojake]

Past performance is no guarantee of future results.

look pal, we're in the brand business now and none of that winning crap actually matters., brahma system coming soon with a chapter on brahma teasers.

[brahmabull117]

and here's the expected return for the last 10 years depending on your book's payout structure, as you can see with a normal 2-team teaser -110 the return is just barely positive, probably nothing close to what brahmabull thinks/claims it is:

brah you're exactly right


I apologize for my early post because I just happened to stumble across several very profitable weeks. I actually see a few weeks last year where wong teasers covered at a terrible rate



with that being said, I still think teasers can be very very profitable if you just play it smart. A lot of matchups and a lot of teams in the league play a lot of close games (you would have had an awesome record if you teased any of the redskins games last year). You also have a team like the pats that have a great SU record every year and you can make money teasing them anytime they're a 7-10 point favorite




on the flipside, certain teams are just terrible for teasers if they're a small underdog... the seahawks for example have gotten blown out many times over the last 3-4 years. The lions in 2008 were blown out a lot of times and the colts this year will get blown out many of times




it's just about evaluating matchups. To me teasers are better than spreads in the NFL because you get matchups like the ravens and steelers where 80-90% of the games are close (it was not close this year, but that's a rarity)

[figue]

[ScottLocke]

Wong teasers have been profitable for a long time now, its nothing new. Some books even adjust their lines to avoid people betting these type of teasers (5Dimes for example) These are pretty much the only teasers I do, and I've done very well with them. I don't do them blindly though and I have to like the team to begin with ATS to tease them.

[brahmabull117]

. I don't do them blindly though and I have to like the team to begin with ATS to tease them.

I kinda agree with this but you gotta consider teams that don't always cover spreads but always seem to find way to win SU


the falcons for example last year, I didn't like them as 7 pt favorites against tampa at home but for a teaser they are a great choice

[ferndog]

I think you might be wong on this.

[LT Profits]

So how would a wong teaser with the Ravens have turned out last week? The Bears? The Chiefs? The Chargers?

NONE of those were Wong Teasers

[LT Profits]

I consider wong teasers to be 1-4 point underdogs teased up, or 6.5 - 9 point favorites teased down

No, basic strategy teasers (erroneously referred to as Wong Teasers because they were in his book, but he didn't discover them) are teasers that cross both the 3 and the 7, so they are 1.5-2.5 teased up and 7.5-8.5 teased down

[LT Profits]

why are they called wong teasers...

should just be called fukkin "common sense teasers"...

Sanford Wong brought them to light in Sharp Sports Betting

[Nine Dollars]

Something is terribly wong here.

HAHAHAHA!!!

[crustyme]

Wong teasers have been profitable for a long time now, its nothing new. Some books even adjust their lines to avoid people betting these type of teasers (5Dimes for example) These are pretty much the only teasers I do, and I've done very well with them. I don't do them blindly though and I have to like the team to begin with ATS to tease them.

yeah, it's comical how this clown thinks he discovered wong teasers like christopher columbus discovering america even though it's been known for many years.

the clueless moron reminds me of a zit-faced teen discovering internet porn for the first time and is so excited he has to tell everyone about it.

[loopydude11]

just teased

ATL (+1.5) now +7.5
Miami (+2.5) now +8.5

we'll see if it works this week

[brahmabull117]

just teased ATL (+1.5) now +7.5 Miami (+2.5) now +8.5 we'll see of it works this week

2 solid choices


also Saints/Texans is a good choice, pats over obviously, pats side, steelers side, 49ers/bungles and miami/browns



cleveland and cincinatti are 2 fantastic choices for teasers, those 2 teams seemingly always play close games when they are home

[8ArIvd5]

i see 3 games that can be used to make a wong teaser. i'm not nearly as confident in them as i was in NYJ/Det last week. these bets aren't profitable just because they're available. have to be good spread wagers that are more valuable as teasers.

[8ArIvd5]

2 solid choices


also Saints/Texans is a good choice, pats over obviously, pats side, steelers side, 49ers/bungles and miami/browns



cleveland and cincinatti are 2 fantastic choices for teasers, those 2 teams seemingly always play close games when they are home

these aren't wong's. and pats can only be used as a wong at certain books.

[brahmabull117]

these aren't wong's. and pats can only be used as a wong at certain books.

forget about wong teasers. I just like betting dogs up and favorites down. The Saints/Texans line has some value because it's 2 really good teams with good high powered offenses and solid defenses facing each other. That game will be close the majority of the time

[LT Profits]

forget about wong teasers. I just like betting dogs up and favorites down. The Saints/Texans line has some value because it's 2 really good teams with good high powered offenses and solid defenses facing each other. That game will be close the majority of the time

Non-basic teasers are -EV long term with very few exceptions, you are better off betting those games straight.

[gauchojake]

Non-basic teasers are -EV long term with very few exceptions, you are better off betting those games straight.

look you wagering robot, he doesn't care.

[LT Profits]

look you wagering robot, he doesn't care.

Carry on then

[gauchojake]

Carry on then

[cant call it]

This is the reason that people tune out or argue with the guy. He starts in about "wong" teasers and then makes up his own criteria for the teaser never even stating a price or number of teams in the teaser. It's possible he came up with a winning formula and should be calling them "brahma" teasers but the guy comes off as such a blow hard it's hard to do anything but mess with him.

[Love The Action]

why do people bet in football in any form except for wong teasers????



I'm doing a bit of research over the last year and 2 weeks of football and I can't find a single week where wong teasers aren't ridiculously profitable. I consider wong teasers to be 1-4 point underdogs teased up, or 6.5 - 9 point favorites teased down



For week 10 of last year, wong teaser choices went something like 10-1




for week 9, wong teaser choices went 10-0




for week 2 of this year, wong teasers went 11-2



for week 1 of this year, wong teasers went 10-1

You didnt even know these existed until we pointed you in the right direction last week and now you think you are going to beat the world with them?

The more I see your comments, the more I think you are destined for failure. You really need to get a better grasp of the math involved with sports investment. I would recommend some books for you, but doubt you would take the time to read them since you are such an "expert" now that you have been doing this all of...what...seven months?

Good luck...I hope you prove me wrong but find you too braggadocious to think you will....

[jarvol]

forget about wong teasers. I just like betting dogs up and favorites down.

Can't lose. Go BIG!

[k13]

Now you can't pick winners so you need teasers.