[jahred6999]

Athleticism at QB does not win championships!

[McBa1n]

McBain, the only racist posting in this thread is YOU.

YOU are the one who constantly brings up the race card in every post you write.Not only are you incredibly racist, but you're extremely STUPID as well.

If you're talking about basketball, blacks are far better than whites which is why over 90% of the NBA consists of black players. When talking about football quarterbacks, whites excel over blacks because in order to be a truly successful NFL QB, you have to have a high level of intelligence.The plain simple truth which has been proven over and over again is that blacks are far more athletic than whites and whites are far more intelligent than blacks. If politically correct liberals like yourself had their way, every single NFL team would finish 8-8 and receive participation trophies.

You're bringing up the constitution and "a man is a man" to try and defend your position that all races are equal when it comes to ability level in sports. Are you really that stupid?

Yes, I'm that stupid. How many Dave Ragone or Kyle Boller threads are out there? Kliff Kingsbury, anyone?

Maybe there are superior athletes that are black, but tell me how many times Dirk Nowitzki in a big spot got wrecked? How many times have you seen Larry Bird play basketball? Race is irrelevant. When does Peyton Manning LOSE in critical spots before ANYONE takes him to task? The guy won 0 bowl games and won/lost a superbowl, but he's exempt from scrutiny? Really?

You're a f'n racist, sir, sorry. Our education slash socio economic issues get into this. The white race in the US has not come into slavery/sharecropping. If you're white, you are already in front, in this nation. Outside of Newton, name me one black QB that is scrutinized by these forums? If you get to Tyrod Taylor, the guy out-performed Vick statistically, but it took MONTHS for top draftnicks to put him on the draft board as a QB and not a multi purpose guy. I could give a rats ass. I would want winners on my team. Inherent racism bleeds in the US. Is me saying that racist? No one questioned any other black athlete coming off the draft board on these forums.

To be fair, though, since I was called a racist, have you EVER watched proper football (or soccer)?
There is HUGE controversy with skinheads attending/recruiting during games. You see, it doesn't friggin matter. If you put the ball in the onion bag, you're awesome. Just like anyone else. I won't throw a banana at a black player in any sport, but it seems that's a very trendy thing to do in Europe. I'm SHOCKED it doesn't happen more in the US. Most fans use "codewords" like 'socialist' or 'communist' - whilst knowing 0 about either system.

I'm just f'n pissed that so many black QBs are held to a standard that is unobtainable, whilst no one calls Peyton Manning out. Color means dick in sports norst in life. A human wins/loses because he's either great or they stink, but if you had to live up to the pressure of say a Jackie Robinson, ESPECIALLY in the NFL playing QB, probably, the most important position in ANY major sport, then you will lose, short of winning a championship.

You see, until this generation, blacks weren't given any other role. If you go back 50 years, Jim Brown sat on the bench at Syracuse, whilst being the best lacrosse player that ever lived and eventually the best football player/RB of all time (I won't say acting, though, he is awesome, but not because he's good haha).

Color has just become some f'n novelty in people. You grow up, you play a sport you love, and you make plays or you stink. Who gives a shite over color? I don't see baseball threads going nutso over some latin player. I'm just saying, you gotta call out a duder when they aren't making plays, and that's fair. Color does NOT factor into it. At least it shouldn't. Black people, to be general, have LESS opportunity because of the white boy network of legacy corruption. A dumbass is a dumbass, regardless of race. If blacks dominate say the NBA, why are their so few owners/GMs/coaches? That's f'n embaressingly bad. Let me know when to invoke Ryan Leaf saying "I'll buy this team". Leaf went to all the TOP schools in his upbringing, yet his character is NOT challenged by people posting on these forums. Really?

Race means dick. If you belive it does, then YOU, sir, need to get your head checked, or you need some seeing eye glasses. People play sports because they want to excel at them, not because they're stupid/smart. I just get fired up that NO ONE challenges white QBs at all, but want to get fired up over some black QB going #1 in the draft. We laugh about the Rick Mirers or the Ryan Leafs - because they sucked, not because of their color. We also have to chuckle over Jamarcus Russel's "life coach" QUIT on him. That's fair, also. It's just not fair to hold black QBs to a standard white players have sucked at, also. And if you want to bring in athletes and a race being superior, look no further than baseball. There is less than 20 percent of blacks playing the game. F race. Just win. And F off if you think blacks or whites dominate anything - it does not matter. It really does not. If you're good at what you do, then that's what you do.

I just want EVERYONE to be accountable, regardless of race. If you're not getting it done, then you're not.

[McBa1n]

Athleticism at QB does not win championships!

You probably didn't watch Aaron Rodgers a whole lot, then. Norst know his stats for 'rushing'.

[Wrecktangle]

There is not enough occurrences of Running QBs to Pocket QBs to prove that they are better/worse in terms of winning SBs. In terms of reg. season games, Running QBs might be better since you'd have to include QBs like Fran Tarkington who had a great record. The NFL is anti-runners anyway and tends to force everyone into a pocket where they can be better protected and game-planned.

BTW, this racial stuff is way off the mark.

[C-Gold]

This is Warner's opinion and just because it has not happened yet does not mean it will not happen in the future.

Hopefully in his lifetime I get to see his sorry ass face when a 'running QB' wins the SB. I bet there won't be any admission of being wrong but he will be sucking on some toe jam.

OK so what happens if the 19 out of the next 20 super bowls are won by pocket passers. Are you going to jump around and say I told you so when Vince Young wins a super bowl in the Trent Dilfer mode?

Running quarterbacks are a joke and so are the poor white trash that cheer for them.

[C-Gold]

Running QB's give a different perspective to all defenses which are used to playing against the Pocket QB's and this usually causes them problems and can hardly stop these types of offenses. Times are changing and the fashion the game is being played is also changing, a QB that can move outside of the pocket gives a small advantage to his team; the only issue with this is that it leaves him open to injuries which in the long run affects the whole team, It's risky but again it gives you an advantage over the vast majority of defenses in the league. I do think that it doesn't matter if you are a pocket QB or a running QB as long as you have a High football IQ you'll be able to read the defense and be able to get rid of the ball when you have to or run when you can which will make you a great player, (this is what Vick is lacking, he's got good legs and an OK arm, but can't make those split second decisions, he tends to fold under pressure)
NOW with that being said I would like to clarify that I too agree that Newton is just not going to be the player everyone thinks he'll be he is overrated and I think the Panthers could have made a better choice in the draft. but that's just me.

All the people backing running QB's assume they are JUST AS GOOD AS POCKET QB'S IN THROWING/READS but then add a new dimension of running. Not the case. They are always way way below average passers but run. That's the point.

The game is changing? People have said this ever since Vick came into the league and look at who'se winning the super bowls? It sure as shit isn't running QB's.

Cam Newton is a wasted pick.

[C-Gold]

It's really hard to know what will happen with all the QBs taken. Certainly, Cam Newton has the highest 'ceiling'. I wouldn't have taken him, though. Out of spending dickloads of hours studying QBs, Dalton, Locker and Mallet were the only 'true' #1st round QBs. All 3 have tape on them from the pocket, although Dalton and Locker ran more than I'd like (Locker way way too much). If I had my choice, I'd have to flip a coin on Locker and Dalton. Heck, leaving Mallet out of the conversation makes me question that. I think all 3 can step in day 1 and start their development, of course, the longer they sit, the better, though. Newton, for certain, needs to sit for at least 2 years, but there's almost no way that's going to happen.

It's a tough call with this draft class, but the QB who doesn't get mentioned that made me go 'who is this guy?' is Tyrod Taylor. I've seen enough tape on him to spend a mid-round draft pick on him and let him sit and develop. The kid can ball, for sure. Probably the least sung QB in the draft.

All that b.s. said, the guy I really would've wanted is Locker, but that was before I spent a LOT of time on Dalton. Wow. I havn't seen a kid come out throwing such good balls in a long time. I think Locker has a higher upside, but sheesh - I could watch Dalton sling it all day. Cinci had a fantastic prospective draft, for certain.

BTW, I want everyone on here that's 'tough' and intelligent about 'black' QBs to sit back and watch all the 'white' QBs from this draft bust, also. Remember, Christian Ponder was taken 12th and Gabbert 10th. You just don't draft those guys at those draft positions unless you want them starting NOW. I hope you hold them to the same standard... But I about figure it's about time for another Cam Newton 'black QBs' suck thread.

Cam Newton has the highest ceiling? Why, because he's fast?

That's like saying Hines Ward or Antwain Randel El had more potential at QB than Peyton Manning because Peyton Manning is a statue and they are both mobile.

If you can JUST teach Hines Ward everything that Peyton Manning knows, they'll he'll be unstoppable! Funny how that never happens.

You fell for the mobility trap like a sucker.

[C-Gold]

I think you have to be cautious here. Aaron Rodgers is very much capable of 'scrambling' to keep the play alive and does it amongst the top rushing QBs. He's excellent from the pocket, though, and reads defenses with the best of them. I think you're missing the point on mobility. If a player sees nothing and the pocket is collapsing, then you do what? Get sacked 50 times? No, you run for your life and try to keep the play alive. Mobile QBs get drafted where they do because the teams usually stink and have no offensive line, nor anything other than 'servicable' receivers, for the most part. However, the bad thing is, so many mobile QBs have been rushed into service. I think Vince Young could've spent more time from the bench and developed. I still think the guy is a winner and can play in the NFL.

Lots of non-mobile QBs bust out, also. Highly accurate lower arm strength guys. OR guys with cannons and no accuracy. To single out mobile QBs or "black" QBs (to appease you racist fahks) as the only QBs capable of 'busting' is utter crap. WAY more QBs bust and none are known for their mobility - yet no one goes crazy over them. It's an unfair standard. For every Jamarcus Russel, there's a Matt Leinart, a Kyle Boller, a Dave Ragone and on and on and on. But for SOME reason, rolling the dice on a mobile QB with a big arm is a 'risk' and they are why all mobile QBs are busts. Donovan McNabb came out as a mobile QB and went to the Superbowl and a DICKLOAD of championship games. Mike Vick has taken his teams to the playoffs, also. Aaron Rodgers was running for his life for 2 seasons and heck, won a Superbowl. He's not black, but he scrambled a LOT and has a dickload of rushing yards to prove it.

If you want to do the math, percentage wise, ALL QBs bust out, regardless of style at about the same clip. You knuckleheads are looking at the QB position through a b.s. lens. It doesn't matter, though, none of us run NFL teams. All that matters is winning punts on Sundays. I'm sure you all bet with your racism *rolls eyes*. That's pathetic. If 'black QBs' are so horrible, then I hope in saying as such, you don't ever bet on them ever. Of course that's not the case, but a knucklehead has to have something to complain about.

Aaron Rodgers isn't a running QB. In fact that's one of the reasons why he fell in the draft over Alex Smith. Rodgers started running and working on his mobility to become the #2 rushing QB in the league, but make no mistake. He's a passing QB first, runner second.

Cam Newton is a runner first a passer second. Big difference.

[C-Gold]

Call me racist, don't really care, it's too much of a correlation.

How many black QB's have won a Superbowl? Doug Williams? I think it's 1.
How many Superbowl champion teams had a starting white running back (Past 20 years)? 0.5? Alstott, if he counts.

You don't take a black QB first round and you don't take a white running back in the first 2 rounds of any draft ever or you're an idiot. Let alone #1.

Obviously, one day, one of these picks will pan out. But I don't think I have to explain why should play the odds(math) when it's in your favor on a gambling forum.

If you really want to be nit picky Doug Williams didn't even start the season as the Redskins QB. He was a fill in in a pretty meaningless career. He was the modern day Trent Dilfer who found himself on a stacked team and did enough to not mess it up.

[McBa1n]

Cam Newton has the highest ceiling? Why, because he's fast?

That's like saying Hines Ward or Antwain Randel El had more potential at QB than Peyton Manning because Peyton Manning is a statue and they are both mobile.

If you can JUST teach Hines Ward everything that Peyton Manning knows, they'll he'll be unstoppable! Funny how that never happens.

You fell for the mobility trap like a sucker.

Look, sir. Comparing Hines vs Randel El is apples and oranges. You're off base. If you hate black people, just stop being a coward and use the "N" word. It's cool.
It's o.k., call all the players in the NFL the "N word".
If you want to mock 'intelligence', what is 'intelligence', exactly?
I would love to know. I _really_ would love to know what your'e definition of intelligence is.
To me 'intelligence' = human. You take a dump and you die at some point and you're wrong. That's my definition. I would love to know yours, sir - you clearly know more. I would love to have it spelled out to me. And yes, Cam Newton has a dickload of potential. If he fails, he fails. I would not have taken him with LESS than 50 pocket passes on tape - but that's me. However, I've seen Newton pull games out of his butt that he has 0 reason winning against a full squad on NFL players. Do you discount that? I don't.

At any rate, I would LOVE to know what dictates 'intelligence' in the NFL. Since you know more than I do, I would LOVE more proof, and/or study. And BTW, Aaron Rodgers set records for Packers rushing the ball... Just saying. Is it O.K. when a white QB runs? I'm so f'n lost in this debate. I about figure I have no idea what's going on.

[McBa1n]

If you really want to be nit picky Doug Williams didn't even start the season as the Redskins QB. He was a fill in in a pretty meaningless career. He was the modern day Trent Dilfer who found himself on a stacked team and did enough to not mess it up.

To say such things about Dougy is almost preposterous. He not only fed the rodk to Timmy Smith, but he had Ricky Sanders a househould name.
How many receivers has Peyton or Brady done that to in the HUGE spot.
WITHOUT usind google, name me Brady's RBs and name me Manning's..
If you get 2 right, I shall give you credit - but give me also, the 1/2 recieviers on said respective teams withoug gettin google involved.
When you can name maybe 1 or 2 of thost players, you can f off and f off of these forums. You're contributing 0 to the debate. You're just following fox news in thinkng other races are inferior, whilst it takes 1 second of research to find out that YOU'RE a KNUCKLEHEAD. C'mon man? Really?

[jsmithj88]

i dont see Aaron rodgers as a running QB, hes a pocket passer that can run a little bit
im not sure y people take offense to white people being the better qbs
i mean, only 1 black dude won the superbowl, facts are facts
black people are definately more athletic than other people
but it doesnt mean a black person isnt capable of winning the superbowl............