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We're seeing history repeat itself
There's a reason Rick Barnes, Jim Boeheim, Jamie Dixon et al have the track record they do when it comes to tournament chokes. These guys fail to get it done year after year with very few exceptions, and wouldn't you know it, they were all outcoached by younger, sharper up-and-comers this weekend.
Congrats to Miller, Williams and Stevens.
Dixon had no chance in that game. Pitt played well but Butler is nearly unbeatable in this tournament format. ****** up how they get Wisky now though
I think they can beat Wisconsin, TP. I really do.Originally Posted by TPowell
Between Brown and Barnes, Texas fans have to be scratching their head a little right now.
What do you mean Dixon had no chance? All Dixon had to do was take McGhee out and move Brown to the 5 so he could match up with Howard.
Pitt played about as well as they could and still couldn't get the win. I think Butler can win the game as well but no play because I love both Ryan and Stevens a lot as coaches
Stevens actually has a much better track record than Ryan in the tournament, and Butler has a much more tourney-savvy roster right now than Wisconsin does.
Everyone's going to expect a game in the 50's there, too -- I bet it goes over whatever the number is set at (I'm assuming it's somewhere in the low-120's).
Ryan tourny record isn't very good but its easy to tell he's an amazing coach by his ATS record over the years.
He's beaten the teams he's supposed to beat, and Butler qualifies.
I still think the Bulldog magic continues. Looking forward to the guard matchups especially.
Already plan to jump on the over, worked out so far with both of Wisc. games and Butler 2nd rd although I didn't play/see it coming.
Wisconsin can score. They're a half-court team, but they'll put up points. I'm not saying this will be 80-75, but it should get into the 130's.
I agree, I watch a lot of Big 10 ball so I was prepared for the Wisconsin game bc the low totals were deceiving to people and I'm hoping for the same thing this week.
Pitt shot 56% FG, 54% 3pt, while having 10 more rebounds, and 9 more assists than Butler.
Butler played a perfect game, and had its best player go for 30. The game went down to the last second against a team one year removed from the National title game.
Jamie Dixon couldnt have done much else. If anything he got a bad draw for being a 1 seed.
Butler played a perfect game, but that wasn't a bad draw. Butler did not play like a Sweet 16 caliber team this season. They sorely missed Hayward.
I don't think facing Butler was any worse than any of the other 8/9 opponents in Round 2. Fact of the matter is, Pitt is out before the first weekend is over again. This isn't on the Blair/Fields level of choke, but there's no reason for them not to still be playing.
No Coin, throw the season out the window pal. It's March and I'll take Butler over any time left not named Ohio State or Duke to win it all.
So you're taking them over Wisconsin?
The more i think about it, the more I like it. Wisconsin would be their toughest matchup until the NC game though.
Yup, you got. I agree
Im on Butler +4 and also the Moneyline also because I figure that +4 will go down to +3.5
They won't beat Florida, though. Florida's going to the FF.
I wouldnt bank on it No Coin, If Butler gets a hold of them I dont like their chances. They may be able to outlast Wisconsin. Two great games though
I lean BYU over Florida and Butler over Wisconsin.
How will BYU beat Florida? I don't see that at all, unless Boynton's out. This Florida team is tough, deep, experienced, athletic, and Donovan's a FF regular.
Florida's guards aren't big enough to really challenge Jimmer and Co. Florida isn't that great inside. Macklin and Tyus are solid but they aren't spectacular. The only real experience these guys have it losing in the 1st round LAST YEAR to BYU. I just don't see how this game isn't a dead pick
Marquette-North Carolina is going to be more interesting than people think. Eagles do everything UNC hates to do. If they can drag the Heels into the gutter and dictate the tempo, they might pull off another upset.
my lean is BYU over Florida lets remember how Florida didnt get to the freethrow line at all against Kentucky in the SEC championship im not backing a team that doesnt know how to consistently get to the line like Jimmer does on his own
Well BYU was a dog to Gonzaga -- I just don't think oddsmakers think much of them outside of Jimmer.
Florida doesn't have great big men, and yes, their guards are small. Parsons is going to be a matchup nightmare for BYU, though. I still think not having Davies is going to catch up to the Cougars real soon.
Anyway, I haven't even started capping these games. Just raw thoughts.
Didn't Lloyd Jr. have a big game for BYU last year vs. Florida? He's not around now. I know Jimmer went nuts, but Boynton did as well IIRC. Parsons went for like 20 and 10.
oh god its a rematch from last year i completely forgot about that Now I dont even no if I want to bet this game
Wisconsin -4 is the play.
Wiscy gets a lead with sub 2 left, hit all their free throws and choke out the Bulldogs.
There's a reason these coaches suck in March; called no NBA players. Barnes is no doubt just bad, but the rest might want to start recruiting better.
Butler = Horizon League winner
ODU = Colonial league winner
Butler started off the year as a top 15 team
ODU finished as a top 25 team.
No other, #1 seed had to face opponents of that pedigree. Being from a big time conference is one thing, but winning your own conference's tourny is another.
Pitt had the hardest matchup in round 2, no matter who they faced.
So? You cannot name one season where PITT has not underachieved in tourney under Dixon.
Perennial top 20, top 2 Big East, and one Elite 8 in eight years coacing. That was in 09 in a loss to Nova when PITT was a #1 seed ranked 4th nationally.
Last edited by Sunde91; 03-21-11 at 02:05 AM.
They were SUPPOSED to. They were the last #1 seed.
That being said, I'm not sure I agree Butler or ODU's pedigree means all that much.
Butler lost a game to 9-21 Youngstown State this year. Among other losses to Wright St, Valpo, and 2 to UW-M.
ODU had losses to Delaware and Drexel, and got blown out by Missouri.
I don't see how this makes either of them significantly better than GMU who Ohio State just obliterated.
You could make the case, I guess, that they were better than Illinois or Michigan. But while Illinois and Michigan had more losses, most all those losses came against quality tournament teams (Ohio State, Kansas, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Missouri, Texas, Purdue, Penn State etc).
Point is, I don't think you can say Butler is that significant of an opponent just based off of them winning the Horizon conference tournament and their play last year. You can't discount what Hayward and Veasley meant to that team. Yes Butler still has talent. They are still a well coached team. But they aren't nearly as good.
Sort of like Duke after they won back to back titles.
After Laettner and Brian Davis graduated in '93 Duke was still a good team and had a good "pedigree," as they still had Hurley and Grant Hill. But they weren't even close to as good as the year before. Which is why they lost to Jason Kidd and Cal in the second round.
You can't evaluate seeding on the previous year if the current year's team has slipped significantly. And losing to Youngstown State is major slippage.
The crux of the argument is that Pitt played well enough to win. They came off as well coached, and the unfortunate losers of a competitive game.
They didnt get blown out(Notre Dame), embarrass themselves(Georgetown), lose to a 13 seed(Louisville), blow a late lead(Villanova), or fail to register a pulse(St. Johns).
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