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    Quote Originally Posted by cincinnatikid513 View Post
    most of us won't be alive the next time a 16 seed beats a 1 seed will take another perfect storm a 16 seed plays out of this world a 1 seed who is very weak on offense a hot shooting night from the 16 and a cold shooting night from the 1
    Actually, the proposition of another #16 seed beating a #1 seed in the next 10 years would be a favorite vs. it not happening. If every #1 seed had a 98% chance of winning its game the next 40 tries (and there would often be cases where they were less than 98% in reality, but almost never more than 98%), the chance of a #16 seed winning at least once in the next 40 tries would be 55%. Fact is, it was amazing (although not earth shattering) it hadn't happened before today, but that's just variance.

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    You da man, bro.

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    I said someone would win by 20 LOL

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    Why it’s not really a massive story is because the game was a blowout I think if it was closer I would be getting much more attention

    It’s like this Maryland team is just as good as them

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    Quote Originally Posted by indio View Post
    Actually, the proposition of another #16 seed beating a #1 seed in the next 10 years would be a favorite vs. it not happening. If every #1 seed had a 98% chance of winning its game the next 40 tries (and there would often be cases where they were less than 98% in reality, but almost never more than 98%), the chance of a #16 seed winning at least once in the next 40 tries would be 55%. Fact is, it was amazing (although not earth shattering) it hadn't happened before today, but that's just variance.
    This is correct and even this is being conservative. For anyone that doubts his math it's pretty easy to figure it out on your own if you would like. Just figure out the No Juice Closing Lines for all the #1 vs #16 games. I just used 5Dimes closing lines to make it simple. If I did it correctly, the NJCL in the UMBC vs VA game was +/-3284. Converted into percentages it basically gives VA a 97% chance of winning. In the Nova vs Radford game it's 97.5%, in the Xavier vs TX So. game it's 96.7%. But the one that was REALLY close for a #1 vs #16 seed was the PA vs KS game. The 5Dimes closing line was PA +880 KS -1080. That means the NJCL was approximately +/-897. Converted into percentages that's only approximately 90%. I predict that a #16 beating a #1 is going to end up very similar to the 4 Minute Mile. Now that it has been done, I think it will happen much more frequently now. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we see it happen more than once in the next 10 years.

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    Final thoughts, Virginia got a favorable game location but got hosed by the committee. I think those guys stuck it to the Cavs. The public S-curve released has the six 16 seeds listed in this order:

    63. UMBC
    64. Penn
    65. Radford
    66. LIU-Brooklyn
    67. NC Central
    68. Texas Southern

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...ens-basketball

    So, Virginia got stuck with a quasi 15 seed, the best of the 16 seeds. I wonder if Virginia would have lost to Tx Southern.. that would have been even a greater upset if the worst team in the field had knocked them off.

    Xavier should have been the ones to play UMBC, as the worst of the top seeds. Wonder if they would have choked just as hard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadtrip635 View Post
    <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Little Caesar’s CEO: “You sure about this?”<br>Little Caesar’s marketing guy: “I guarantee we won’t pay a dime.” <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UMBC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UMBC </a> <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/AHzW6ER2Hz">pic.twitter.com/AHzW6ER2Hz</a></p>— Luke Arthur (@lja_14) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/lja_14/status/974866190844747776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> March 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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    I’ll be there with my hand out

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    No. Just no.

    +2500? Should be +25000 at least.

    another shining example of what a failure you are.

    Do you get anything right?

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    Umbc +10 +450 vs Kansas st ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by convick View Post
    Final thoughts, Virginia got a favorable game location but got hosed by the committee. I think those guys stuck it to the Cavs. The public S-curve released has the six 16 seeds listed in this order:

    63. UMBC
    64. Penn
    65. Radford
    66. LIU-Brooklyn
    67. NC Central
    68. Texas Southern

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...ens-basketball

    So, Virginia got stuck with a quasi 15 seed, the best of the 16 seeds. I wonder if Virginia would have lost to Tx Southern.. that would have been even a greater upset if the worst team in the field had knocked them off.

    Xavier should have been the ones to play UMBC, as the worst of the top seeds. Wonder if they would have choked just as hard!
    they try to keep teams as close to home as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by brooks85 View Post
    another shining example of what a failure you are.

    Do you get anything right?
    He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by convick View Post
    Final thoughts, Virginia got a favorable game location but got hosed by the committee. I think those guys stuck it to the Cavs. The public S-curve released has the six 16 seeds listed in this order:

    63. UMBC
    64. Penn
    65. Radford
    66. LIU-Brooklyn
    67. NC Central
    68. Texas Southern

    https://www.sbnation.com/college-bas...ens-basketball

    So, Virginia got stuck with a quasi 15 seed, the best of the 16 seeds. I wonder if Virginia would have lost to Tx Southern.. that would have been even a greater upset if the worst team in the field had knocked them off.

    Xavier should have been the ones to play UMBC, as the worst of the top seeds. Wonder if they would have choked just as hard!
    Lol you can’t be serious ? They lost to a 16 seed - never been done before ? Nobody hosed them

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    So mad.. If you put a buck on this game.. Ugh

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    What if scenarios

    Love them

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    Another bracket buster on the loose

    Bama musta been watching umbc

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyvegas13 View Post
    Another bracket buster on the loose

    Bama musta been watching umbc
    bama is a legit team and they play in the SEC

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    Well done mate, everyone will be jumping on you're bandwagon and say they saw it coming but really let's be honest very few did, especially in the fashion it ended.

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    Bama will win here

    sexton is legit

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
    No reason for books to do that lol!! Why would they lay that out so they can get crush if something like last night happen ?
    Last edited by ikid2groove415; 03-17-18 at 12:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
    Yep, but then they probably wouldn't put out a line. Books seem to really skim heavy favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thechaoz View Post
    So mad.. If you put a buck on this game.. Ugh
    You would have won $25... Not real life altering.

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    a $10 bet on this would have been a decent payout

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    Quote Originally Posted by LT Profits View Post
    He is right in this case though, UMBC was severely underpriced at only +2500. They should have been at least +4000.
    I disagree here. I had Virginia winning the game by 7 points with a forecast that had been beating the books average line error both during the season and when adjusted for tournament play over past seasons.

    That 7 point spread will not translate to such a moneyline and I argue that my forecast revealed an extremely inefficient market, a condition we often see with the swelling of the markets for March Madness.

    I can create forecasts with available numbers that give Virginia that kind of scoring discrepancy, but they don't seem to be predictive.


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    One more time since it bears repeating: UMBC lost to Albany 83-39 this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr KLC View Post
    One more time since it bears repeating: UMBC lost to Albany 83-39 this season.
    That's one hell of a find, KLC. Of course, the Great Dane is a fanastic dog.

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    Retrievers unite !!

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    If UMBC wins the NCAA basketball tournament, they will be the 3rd school with championships in both men's basketball and chess (CCNY and Florida).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr KLC View Post
    If UMBC wins the NCAA basketball tournament, they will be the 3rd school with championships in both men's basketball and chess (CCNY and Florida).
    Chess is a sport?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr KLC View Post
    If UMBC wins the NCAA basketball tournament, they will be the 3rd school with championships in both men's basketball and chess (CCNY and Florida).
    i'm interested to see how umbc plays kansas st u can understand a little bit of a letdown can they back it up like florida gulf coast did on their magic run

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    Quote Originally Posted by slayer14 View Post
    a $10 bet on this would have been a decent payout
    had that on +3250

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    Holy shit.

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    UMBC is gonna get pounded by Kansas State in their next game today.. This cinderella story ends after today.. Fade em...

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    And they beat VA by 20 - image what Albany would have done to VA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr KLC View Post
    One more time since it bears repeating: UMBC lost to Albany 83-39 this season.

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