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    8 and 9 Seeds get the shaft

    I've always thought this.....I'd much rather be a 10, and definitely an 11 seed to avoid a top 4 team in the nation in the 2nd round

    Not to mention, 1 seeds never get upset in round 1 so you're definitely playing them next......2 and 3 seeds get knocked out first round every so often

    Reason I mention this is because I was high on Pitt and NC State and somewhat Mizzou and Wichita State.....Now can't even pick them to the sweet 16 (Well prob not but we'll see)

    Win a coinflip in round 1, then play Indiana or Louisville in round 2....Thanks for playing!
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    Yeah Pitt always gets shafted

    I guess they earned it

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    Point is to give the 1 seed the advantage not the 8 or 9 seed. That way 1 seed best team they could play would be the 8 seed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi_archie View Post
    Yeah Pitt always gets shafted

    I guess they earned it
    Atleast they have Gonzaga as the 1 seed which can be upset......Speaking more about the 8's and 9's that get to play Louisville and Indiana in round 2 after winning a coinflip

    Just always thought I'd rather be the 10 or ideally the 11 seed if I'm in that "range"

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    Quote Originally Posted by boombaby1987 View Post
    Point is to give the 1 seed the advantage not the 8 or 9 seed. That way 1 seed best team they could play would be the 8 seed.
    I get it but I'd argue that the 11 seed has a much easier path than the 8 seed......

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    8 seed NC State has to beat Temple, then Indiana to get to the sweet 16

    In the same region, 11 seed Bucknell must beat Butler, then Marquette

    Come on now.....NC State would sign up for that 11 seed in a heartbeat

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    I am guessing that the numbers bear this out. Have more 11 seeds make the Sweet 16 than 8 seeds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    8 seed NC State has to beat Temple, then Indiana to get to the sweet 16

    In the same region, 11 seed Bucknell must beat Butler, then Marquette

    Come on now.....NC State would sign up for that 11 seed in a heartbeat
    Found it.

    8 seed has made Sweet Sixteen -- 10 times (and only four 9 seeds have made it)
    11 seed has made Sweet Sixteen -- 15 times

    So you're right.

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    I was thinking of some 8 or 9 taking out some 1 seeds. Remember Northern Iowa? damn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Found it.

    8 seed has made Sweet Sixteen -- 10 times (and only four 9 seeds have made it)
    11 seed has made Sweet Sixteen -- 15 times

    So you're right.


    Good research

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    always thought this too, the difference between the 6-8 seed is almost nothing the gap between a 1 and 3 seed is usually much bigger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrinity View Post
    always thought this too, the difference between the 6-8 seed is almost nothing the gap between a 1 and 3 seed is usually much bigger.
    Exactly.....Oregon getting a 12 seed when they could have been a 5 or 6 easily confirms that

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    It seems some of the 2 seeds got easier road to the sweet sixteen and beyond than the 1 seeds?Particularly After the first games assuming #1 and #2 win there first game.Here how they line up for game 2:

    1.Lville plays Col.st or Mizzou- #2.Duke plays Creighton or Cinc.
    1.Kansas plays UNC or Nova--- #2. Gtown plays Oklahoma or SD.ST
    1.Indiana plays NC.ST or Temple-#2. Miami plays Colorado or Illini.= Easiest road IMO
    1.Gonzaga plays Pitt. or Wichita- #2 Ohio ST Plays N.Dame or Iowas St.

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    I've always thought it as well

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    Remember this about the seedings, 8-9 seeds are normally big named teams who underachieved the majority of the year, so good in name only. Usually loses double digit games during the season from the big six conferences. 11-12 seeds are normally kick ass mid major teams that won their conference and or conference tourney and played kick ass ball ALL year winning nearly 90% or more of their games. So the reason for the sweet sixteen appearances is that they are pretty good teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2bets View Post
    Found it.

    8 seed has made Sweet Sixteen -- 10 times (and only four 9 seeds have made it)
    11 seed has made Sweet Sixteen -- 15 times

    So you're right.
    wow! I love this stat

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    Good call always hate seeing my team get a 8 or 9 seed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    Remember this about the seedings, 8-9 seeds are normally big named teams who underachieved the majority of the year, so good in name only. Usually loses double digit games during the season from the big six conferences. 11-12 seeds are normally kick ass mid major teams that won their conference and or conference tourney and played kick ass ball ALL year winning nearly 90% or more of their games. So the reason for the sweet sixteen appearances is that they are pretty good teams.
    Sometimes this is true but the biggest reason is it's very hard to beat a top 4 team in the nation, bottom line

    Starting at about 5 or 6 seeds all the way thru 12 seeds are pretty interchangeable......You just don't wanna be the "lucky" ones to get an 8 or 9 seed

    Some 3 seeds are much weaker than 1's

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    Quote Originally Posted by smitch124 View Post
    Good call always hate seeing my team get a 8 or 9 seed.
    Was prepared to have NC State make a big run in my bracket at anything but the 8 playing Indiana or Louisville in the 2nd round, oh well

    Pitt/Wichita State is so tough that I almost have to pick Gonzaga to the sweet 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    Sometimes this is true but the biggest reason is it's very hard to beat a top 4 team in the nation, bottom line

    Starting at about 5 or 6 seeds all the way thru 12 seeds are pretty interchangeable......You just don't wanna be the "lucky" ones to get an 8 or 9 seed

    Some 3 seeds are much weaker than 1's
    Kentucky would have been an 8-9 this year had they made it. good in name only. If noel had told the selection committee he would give it a go, the cats would be in. personally I think the number 4 seeds is the worst seed a decent team could have. Your reward is a number one seed with damned near a week to scout you and pick you apart.
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    #1 seeds are 54-4 vs. #9 seeds
    but 44-10 vs. #8 seeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by k13 View Post
    #1 seeds are 54-4 vs. #9 seeds
    but 44-10 vs. #8 seeds
    So 8/9 seeds are a combined 14-98! in Round 2

    What are 11 seeds in the 2nd round?

    How about 10 and 12 seeds in the 2nd round?

    Unlike 8 and 9 seeds, you don't ALWAYS play the chalk in the 2nd round as well as an added bonus

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    I could see a #8/9 seed beating a #1 seed this year for sure.

    N.C. State vs Indiana
    Kansas vs Nova/NC
    Louisville vs Missouri
    Gonzaga vs Pitt

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    8 seed NC State has to beat Temple, then Indiana to get to the sweet 16

    In the same region, 11 seed Bucknell must beat Butler, then Marquette

    Come on now.....NC State would sign up for that 11 seed in a heartbeat
    very good points and yes anecdotally this says it all right here, very true, and I assume if you plug in pomeroy numbers it would back this up as well, although who knows perhaps not

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    Beat the #1 and then you're a #1

    I always said the same MLD

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    Quote Originally Posted by seaborneq View Post
    Kentucky would have been an 8-9 this year had they made it. good in name only. If noel had told the selection committee he would give it a go, the cats would be in. personally I think the four seeds is the worst seed a decent team could have. Your reward is a number one seed with damned near a week to scout you and pick you apart.
    not true, UK would've been a 12 had they gotten in

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyLineDawg View Post
    8 seed NC State has to beat Temple, then Indiana to get to the sweet 16

    In the same region, 11 seed Bucknell must beat Butler, then Marquette

    Come on now.....NC State would sign up for that 11 seed in a heartbeat
    As a NC State fan... I would def sign up for that. I wanted us to either lose the 1st game of the ACC tourney to get a 10 or lower seed or win the thing to get a 7. Being an 8/9 is a death sentence.

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    I think the problem is that there isn't a lot of separation in the 6-11 seed range. The idea is that if you're a 9 playing an 8 is easier than if you were a 10 playing a 7 or an 11 playing a 6, but there just isn't enough of a difference for it to matter compared to the prospect of not having to face a 1 in the 2nd round.

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    Frisco, where's Tyler Lewis on your avatar? He was in the McDonalds All American game, too. Was he just too short for the photo? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by agharah1 View Post
    Frisco, where's Tyler Lewis on your avatar? He was in the McDonalds All American game, too. Was he just too short for the photo? lol
    Lol yea he didn't make the cut. Warren is by far my favorite of the three young ones but Lewis has definitely improved a lot as the year went along. Lo getting injured gave him some vital experience against great teamss

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