[t-wizzle]

1. Yes he is. It's not debatable.

2. Rondo is the best player (currently) on Boston. Not all-time.

3. Setting up teammates is called playing OFFENSE. Passing is part of the OFFENSE.

4. Drew Holiday will never make the hall of fame.

5. Rondo is guaranteed to make the hall of fame.

6. End of discussion.

Pretty crazy how much your opinion has changed over a short period of time.

[BigDeem5]

1. Rondo
2. Irving
3. Deron Williams.

[Goat Milk]

Pretty crazy how much your opinion has changed over a short period of time.

How? I always had Rondo as a top 5-6 pg in nba since I joined this site, haven't I? In the last year and a half, he's taken even another step towards the top 3 and now the best player on his team. Rondo is not really guaranteed the hall of fame but I Just want to shut this fool up.

[You mad bro]

Rondo
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Irving
Williams
Jrue

[Goat Milk]

The best pgs in the nba are

1. Chris Paul by far
2. Derron Williams
3. Rondo
4. Rose

[You mad bro]

The best pgs in the nba are

1. Chris Paul by far
2. Derron Williams
3. Rondo
4. Rose

Paul
Rondo
Rose
Williams

Only my opinion tho

[t-wizzle]

How? I always had Rondo as a top 5-6 pg in nba since I joined this site, haven't I? In the last year and a half, he's taken even another step towards the top 3 and now the best player on his team. Rondo is not really guaranteed the hall of fame but I Just want to shut this fool up.

I thought you were never a big Rondo guy. Am I mistaken?

[Goat Milk]

I thought you were never a big Rondo guy. Am I mistaken?

I can't remember if I've said anything in past. If there was anything a couple years ago on this site that said Rondo was best pg or best player on his team I would have probably argued against that at that time. He's always been in that top 5 for me but never in that elite 3 with cp3 and dwill but he's definitely in the conversation now.

Youmadbro, good list.

[BigDeem5]

The best pgs in the nba are

1. Chris Paul by far
2. Derron Williams
3. Rondo
4. Rose

Derron Williams and Rose are both overrated.

[You mad bro]

I can't remember if I've said anything in past. If there was anything a couple years ago on this site that said Rondo was best pg or best player on his team I would have probably argued against that at that time. He's always been in that top 5 for me but never in that elite 3 with cp3 and dwill but he's definitely in the conversation now.

Youmadbro, good list.

I guess u can really shuffle those top 4 anyway .. Wouldnt mind having any of them lol

[Cuse0323]

Too much love for Irving, he's just a scorer who plays zero D.

[You mad bro]

Too much love for Irving, he's just a scorer who plays zero D.

he is actually very active on defense ... just becasue the steals and everything isnt there doesnt mean shit ..


best PG in the league tho is lebron james ... than paul lol

[face]

1. lebron james
2. steve nash (based on last year though)
3. russell wilson
4. chris paul
5. rajon rondo

russell westbrook averaging 21 points and 8 assists, as is way better than deron williams or jrue holliday for sure

rondo averaging 13 points, and 13 assists.

irving 22 points, 5 assists

mike conley jr. just as good as jrue holliday

[meader99]

Derron Williams and Rose are both overrated.

Rose is overrated? Bulls would win 60 games with a healthy Rose this year, yet he's overrated? Rondo, Rose and Williams in no particular order are the best pg's in the East. Rondo can't shoot a lick, everyone know it, yet he still blows by defenders even though they play off him.

[rfr3sh]

LeBron is a pg now?

[Goat Milk]

Derron Williams and Rose are both overrated.

How is d Will overrated? guy has the sickest crossover in the nba right now probably. for sure gotta be the best offensive pg in the game and one of the best offensive pg's i've ever seen play basketball. just an average defender though. maybe a bit above average.

[Ambition]

Your crazy if you think Jrue Holiday is the best PG in the East, CRAZY!

Deron Williams might be the best PG in the league and he's in the East.

If you don't want to include Rose because he's hurt I understand that but, when Rose is healthy he's the best PG in the league, IMO.

Best East PG: Williams & Rondo

[PhillyFlyers]

How the fukk does Rondo's name keep getting mentioned in this conversation? He's not the best point guard in the East and the Sixers would laugh and hang the fukkin phone up if the Celtics offered a Rondo for Jrue trade.

In fact, there is probably no point guard in the East the Sixers would trade Jrue for straight up.

Derrick Rose.......awesome player but is very injury prone, Holiday has basically an injury-free history.

[Goat Milk]

How the fukk does Rondo's name keep getting mentioned in this conversation? He's not the best point guard in the East and the Sixers would laugh and hang the fukkin phone up if the Celtics offered a Rondo for Jrue trade.

In fact, there is probably no point guard in the East the Sixers would trade Jrue for straight up.

Derrick Rose.......awesome player but is very injury prone, Holiday has basically an injury-free history.

How did Holliday do guarding Rondo in last years playoffs? Rondo shit on him if I remember right, and completely shit on him in game 7 with 2 minutes left to go and Philly in control of the game and Rondo dumped on Holliday.

[PhillyFlyers]

How did Holliday do guarding Rondo in last years playoffs? Rondo shit on him if I remember right, and completely shit on him in game 7 with 2 minutes left to go and Philly in control of the game and Rondo dumped on Holliday.

Rondo shit on him? The Sixers took a heavily favored Celtics team to 7 games because, and only because, Jrue was the Sixers point guard.

How has Rondo looked against Jrue this season? Jrue raped him so far in all the games they played.

[ngates815]

Hey philly, you a fukkin idiot?

[PhillyFlyers]

DERON WILLIAMS nikkas

What a stupid thread by a fckn moron phili fan

Suck a dikk bitch. Learn ...........
Deron Williams

Season	Team	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3p%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
12-13	BKN	13	13	35.8	0.394	0.264	0.875	0.6	2.4	3.0	8.9	1.2	0.5	3.1	2.2	16.7

Jrue Holiday

Season	Team	G	GS	MPG	FG%	3p%	FT%	OFF	DEF	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
12-13	PHI	14	14	38.2	0.450	0.413	0.788	0.9	3.1	3.9	9.2	1.4	0.4	4.3	2.4	18.6

[PhillyFlyers]

Hey philly, you a fukkin idiot?

No, but your mom sucks my nuts.

[ngates815]

No, but your mom sucks my nuts.

Mom jokes?

Sorry, I shoulda asked "Hey philly, you fukkin 13" It's now obvious the idiot part was true.

[PhillyFlyers]

Mom jokes?

Sorry, I shoulda asked "Hey philly, you fukkin 13" It's now obvious the idiot part was true.

Your mom still sucks my nuts, regardless.

[rfr3sh]

JRUE:

3.4 Rebounds PG
5.3 Assists PG
1.4 Steals PG
2.4 turn overs
12.3 ppg

Deron:
3.2 RPG
9.2 APG
1.1 steals
3.2 Turnovers
17.6 ppg

Rondo:
4.5 rpg
8.2 apg
1.9 stealpg
2.7 to
10.9 pts

[PhillyFlyers]

Jrue Career:

GP	MPG	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STLPG	PFPG	TOPG	PPG

Career

234

31.6

4.9-11.0

.441

1.0-2.6

.380

1.6-2.0

.797

3.4

5.3

0.3

1.4

2.3

2.4

12.3

vs.

Deron

GP	MPG	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STLPG	PFPG	TOPG	PPG

Career

519

35.7

6.3-13.8

.453

1.3-3.7

.348

3.8-4.7

.814

3.2

9.2

0.3

1.1

2.6

3.2

17.6

vs.

Rondo

GP	MPG	FGM-FGA	FG%	3PM-3PA	3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	RPG	APG	BLKPG	STLPG	PFPG	TOPG	PPG

Career

450

32.7

4.5-9.4

.482

0.2-0.6

.246

1.7-2.8

.619

4.5

8.2

0.1

1.9

2.3

2.7

10.9

Are we talking career?

NO!

We talking this season.

[ngates815]

Name Team GP Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG Rajon Rondo BOS 13 38.5 5.8 11.2 51.7 0.5 1.5 31.6 1.5 2.4 61.3 0.6 4.2 4.8 13.7 3.3 1.9 0.0 2.8 13.5 Chris Paul LAC 14 34.7 5.5 11.9 46.4 0.9 2.9 32.5 4.1 4.7 87.9 0.6 3.1 3.7 9.5 2.4 2.8 0.0 2.7 16.1 Jrue Holiday PHI 14 38.2 7.1 15.9 45.0 1.4 3.3 41.3 2.9 3.7 78.8 0.9 3.1 3.9 9.2 4.3 1.4 0.4 2.4 18.6 Deron Williams BKN 13 35.8 5.5 13.8 39.4 1.5 5.5 26.4 4.3 4.9 87.5 0.6 2.4 3.0 8.9 3.1 1.2 0.5 2.2 16.7 Greivis Vasquez NO 13 33.4 5.1 12.1 42.0 1.1 2.9 36.8 2.2 2.7 80.0 0.4 3.6 4.0 8.8 3.6 0.4 0.1 2.4 13.4 Russell Westbrook OKC 15 35.9 7.6 18.1 41.9 1.4 4.3 32.8 4.5 5.7 79.1 1.3 3.3 4.5 8.6 2.9 1.6 0.2 2.7 21.1

Looky there, if Rondo took 4 more shots per game to be on par with Holiday, he'd average 17 pts compared to Holidays 18. Holiday wouldn't average 14 assists per game if he had 12 jordans on his team. There is no way to even argue how Holiday is better than Rondo....It's a PG, they supposed to distribute the ball. Rondo Shoots better FG pct...Rondo Rebounds better...Rondo Assists better....Rondo steals better...Rondo turns the ball over less....Ohhh but holiday scores 4 more pts a game....But wait, Rondo averages 4 more assists, meaning he helps his team score at least 8 more points per game...Meaning he accounts for more offense than Holiday does. That should go ahead and end this silly argument. I hate Rondo with a passion, but the guy can play ball.

[PhillyFlyers]

Name Team GP Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG Rajon Rondo BOS 13 38.5 5.8 11.2 51.7 0.5 1.5 31.6 1.5 2.4 61.3 0.6 4.2 4.8 13.7 3.3 1.9 0.0 2.8 13.5 Chris Paul LAC 14 34.7 5.5 11.9 46.4 0.9 2.9 32.5 4.1 4.7 87.9 0.6 3.1 3.7 9.5 2.4 2.8 0.0 2.7 16.1 Jrue Holiday PHI 14 38.2 7.1 15.9 45.0 1.4 3.3 41.3 2.9 3.7 78.8 0.9 3.1 3.9 9.2 4.3 1.4 0.4 2.4 18.6 Deron Williams BKN 13 35.8 5.5 13.8 39.4 1.5 5.5 26.4 4.3 4.9 87.5 0.6 2.4 3.0 8.9 3.1 1.2 0.5 2.2 16.7 Greivis Vasquez NO 13 33.4 5.1 12.1 42.0 1.1 2.9 36.8 2.2 2.7 80.0 0.4 3.6 4.0 8.8 3.6 0.4 0.1 2.4 13.4 Russell Westbrook OKC 15 35.9 7.6 18.1 41.9 1.4 4.3 32.8 4.5 5.7 79.1 1.3 3.3 4.5 8.6 2.9 1.6 0.2 2.7 21.1

Looky there, if Rondo took 4 more shots per game to be on par with Holiday, he'd average 17 pts compared to Holidays 18. Holiday wouldn't average 14 assists per game if he had 12 jordans on his team. There is no way to even argue how Holiday is better than Rondo....It's a PG, they supposed to distribute the ball. Rondo Shoots better FG pct...Rondo Rebounds better...Rondo Assists better....Rondo steals better...Rondo turns the ball over less....Ohhh but holiday scores 4 more pts a game....But wait, Rondo averages 4 more assists, meaning he helps his team score at least 8 more points per game...Meaning he accounts for more offense than Holiday does. That should go ahead and end this silly argument. I hate Rondo with a passion, but the guy can play ball.

Rondo is not the scorer Jrue is. Rondo doesn't have the offensive game Jrue does. Your post is fukkin stupid. It's like me saying if Jrue passed 7 more times per game then he would be on par with Rondo for assists.

[rfr3sh]

IMO Vasquez is the best PG in the bunch
what Vasquez has to do for to win >>>> then what jrue does
I mean look at the pieces he has around him if Vasquez had what Jrue had he'd be way better too

[Goat Milk]

Drew Holliday will never make the hall of fame. ever.

That's all that needs to be said here.

76ers will never win a ring with Holliday as their best player. Guaranteed.

[Goat Milk]

IMO Vasquez is the best PG in the bunch
what Vasquez has to do for to win >>>> then what jrue does
I mean look at the pieces he has around him if Vasquez had what Jrue had he'd be way better too

LOL

Chris Paul took the shittiest Hornets teams to the playoffs year after year. Vasquez has no shot to make the playoffs. none.

[PhillyFlyers]

Drew Holliday will never make the hall of fame. ever.

That's all that needs to be said here.

76ers will never win a ring with Holliday as their best player. Guaranteed.

And you know this because you have a fukkin time machine, right?

[rfr3sh]

LOL

Chris Paul took the shittiest Hornets teams to the playoffs year after year. Vasquez has no shot to make the playoffs. none.

I was summarizing Phillyfans argument replacing JRUE with vasquez

[Goat Milk]

And you know this because you have a fukkin time machine, right?

Bro I'm never wrong when it comes to these types of things. Holliday will not win a ring as the number 1 option on a basketball team. He will never be a superstar in this league (calliber of a Dwill or CP3, two guys which changed two franchises single handedly in Utah and NO)