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  • Wallco99
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 01-01-11
    • 7261

    #3291
    Wallco NBA Chase 110
    2011-12 System to date: 59-2 (fin. series)
    System profit/loss: +21.71 units (fin. series)
    Current open series: 1 (-8.26 units)

    (4/2/12):
    #62 Utah (+2) (A) - Win

    v1 Plays
    (A) 37-25
    (B) 10-15

    (C) 9-6
    (D) 3-2

    V2 Plays
    In production


    Games for (4/3/12):
    #61 San Antonio @ Cleveland (+9) (D) (7:05 pm EDT)
    #63 Orlando (M/L) @ Detroit (A) (7:35 pm EDT)


    We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.
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    • 1gamer
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 02-09-11
      • 723

      #3292
      It appears K. Irving is playing tonite for the Cavs.
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      • J.M. Disciple
        SBR Hall of Famer
        • 11-16-10
        • 5154

        #3293
        Originally posted by thelimit0310
        JM APR 2

        V3 HOUSTON +11 @ Chicago (A) WIN

        JM APR 3

        V3 PHOENIX +0.5 @ Sacramento (A)
        Better to buy 2 pts here or ML. buying 3pts is pointless
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        • Wallco99
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 01-01-11
          • 7261

          #3294
          Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
          Better to buy 2 pts here or ML. buying 3pts is pointless
          Never know! The first tie in NBA history could be tonight.
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          • J.M. Disciple
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 11-16-10
            • 5154

            #3295
            Originally posted by Wallco99
            Never know! The first tie in NBA history could be tonight.
            LOL should count as a win if game gets canceled. ML only -135, so not too bad compared to usual -170 to -200 for this system.
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            • xgame
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 07-21-10
              • 675

              #3296
              omg!! nice Cavs nice.
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              • casdio
                SBR High Roller
                • 01-05-10
                • 120

                #3297
                Cavs are losing on purpose, aren't they?
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                • Dmoneytx
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-09-12
                  • 6450

                  #3298
                  Popped into this thread earlier this evening. I saw the pick on Clevland...... didn't agree with that one at all. That -9 was a sucker line, bigtime. I actually had San Antonio for an easy play, but ended up taking Orlando along with San Ant. What a horrible idea. The Magic looked terrible in the fourth quarter. I don't know about ya'll, but I have to stop backing that bunch of losers. Took Orlando only a few times this year and almost EVERY time I took them, they finished the game SO weak. The Magic are so over played by the public it is a joke I think. Lesson learned for me anyhow.

                  Even thought I didn't take both your picks tonight, its always frustrating to pop into a thread and see the one or two plays that a capper takes with a huge board on tap and BOTH end up being huge losers. LOL, better luck next time I guess. Good luck to those who follow this guy on a regular basis
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                  • Wallco99
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 01-01-11
                    • 7261

                    #3299
                    Originally posted by Dmoneytx
                    Popped into this thread earlier this evening. I saw the pick on Clevland...... didn't agree with that one at all. That -9 was a sucker line, bigtime. I actually had San Antonio for an easy play, but ended up taking Orlando along with San Ant. What a horrible idea. The Magic looked terrible in the fourth quarter. I don't know about ya'll, but I have to stop backing that bunch of losers. Took Orlando only a few times this year and almost EVERY time I took them, they finished the game SO weak. The Magic are so over played by the public it is a joke I think. Lesson learned for me anyhow.

                    Even thought I didn't take both your picks tonight, its always frustrating to pop into a thread and see the one or two plays that a capper takes with a huge board on tap and BOTH end up being huge losers. LOL, better luck next time I guess. Good luck to those who follow this guy on a regular basis
                    Since you obviously are not familiar with this thread or past success of the system, then do us a favor, make this your LAST stop in. Convienient how you wait til the game is over to say you disagree. Sytem is still UP, even with the loss.
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                    • CrazyCarl
                      SBR MVP
                      • 10-09-11
                      • 1437

                      #3300
                      Wallco, so I think I get the basic labby line, but what sort of labby line would you suggest running for regular use (not a system)? Or, did you mean run a labby line with a system with the SBR points as well?
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                      • J.M. Disciple
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 11-16-10
                        • 5154

                        #3301
                        Hmm Anyone test the results of reverse chase110? If the team is the dog fade them; ML on other team that is the favorite or if the team is the favorite, then ATS on the dog on the other end?

                        Do cavs become a new series starting with A again?
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                        • J.M. Disciple
                          SBR Hall of Famer
                          • 11-16-10
                          • 5154

                          #3302
                          Originally posted by CrazyCarl
                          Wallco, so I think I get the basic labby line, but what sort of labby line would you suggest running for regular use (not a system)? Or, did you mean run a labby line with a system with the SBR points as well?
                          Wallco does not like labby lines. I would stick to a 2 strike labby line if I were you and average out the line after each bet. One thing that was discussed in this forum a few weeks back was labbying all the A bets, then running 7/5 on the B & C to maximize your profits.

                          It is kinda hard to run a labby line with wallcos system or JM system because some times there are just so many bets its hard to keep up. I think the more educated labby players are running two lines for the JM system (this was before the 7/5). For chase systems kinda best not to run a labby line when there are so many bets every day or if the juice is above -110 then your lines could get very heavy.

                          If you decide to labby, then I would stick to 1 maybe two bets a day. Running multiple bets on the same line can get very hectic; trust me I have plenty of experience and losses doing it!

                          I do not suggest labbying Chase110 or Wallco Gold with the labby because of all the juice. The system(s) are best played the way he made them to be played.

                          You could labby Jm if you want with 1 line for all the A bets and a 2nd line for all the B & C bets.

                          Also one of my top 5 rules that ive learned and busted a couple bankrolls with is do not play too many systems at once. You will here Money management is key over and over again in this forum, but even if you do 1% per system as a unit size you can still go broke with all the chasing involved. When you are following 5 systems and have 3 or 4 c-bets on the same day; maybe 1 or 2 systems over lap on the C bet, so then your bet on one team could be like 40 units and if that loses, you can kiss your bankroll good bye!

                          #1) BANKROLL MANAGEMENT
                          #2) STICK TO 1-3 SYSTEMS (ESPECIALLY CHASE SYSTEMS WITH HIGHER JUICE)
                          #3) DO NOT RUN A LABBY WITH JUICE HIGHER THEN -120
                          #4) FOLLOW THE RULES OF THE SYSTEM
                          #5) LET THE MATH DO THE WORK NOT EMOTIONS
                          #6) BE IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL. ITS A MARATHON, JOURNEY, & A BUSINESS, NOT A SPRINT OR SHORT TERM THING.

                          Treat it like you would stock and you will do fine. Do not worry about the short term results. Wallco lost a D bet today and im sure a lot of people will bash him on CLE being a bet, but the fact of the matter is that the system wins year in and year out and cant throw a system out the window cause of one loss.

                          Good night
                          Gents
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                          • Wallco99
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 01-01-11
                            • 7261

                            #3303
                            Originally posted by CrazyCarl
                            Wallco, so I think I get the basic labby line, but what sort of labby line would you suggest running for regular use (not a system)? Or, did you mean run a labby line with a system with the SBR points as well?
                            It wasn't me. I don't like labbys.
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                            • KennyM10
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 02-14-10
                              • 788

                              #3304
                              Wow what a terrible night having a Chase go 4 games and lose and also having Orlando lose to Detroit. Guess you wiped out a few more followers tonight!
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                              • CrazyCarl
                                SBR MVP
                                • 10-09-11
                                • 1437

                                #3305
                                Originally posted by KennyM10
                                Wow what a terrible night having a Chase go 4 games and lose and also having Orlando lose to Detroit. Guess you wiped out a few more followers tonight!
                                I actually didn't even feel this loss even though I'm playing at like 3% of my bankroll, due to the success from the NHL games.
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                                • KennyM10
                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                  • 02-14-10
                                  • 788

                                  #3306
                                  Wallco what is the strategy to recover the 20 units I am down following your systems?
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                                  • CrazyCarl
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 10-09-11
                                    • 1437

                                    #3307
                                    Wallco, are you sure this Kenny guy doesn't work for the books? Lol.
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                                    • KennyM10
                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                      • 02-14-10
                                      • 788

                                      #3308
                                      Originally posted by CrazyCarl
                                      I actually didn't even feel this loss even though I'm playing at like 3% of my bankroll, due to the success from the NHL games.
                                      I think I am very gasy tonight!
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                                      • knugen
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 12-09-09
                                        • 2612

                                        #3309
                                        Jm discipline! What do u mean with DO NOT RUN A LABBY WITH JUICE HIGHER THEN -120, its work fine for
                                        me with good money management!?
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                                        • Aiwiz
                                          SBR Rookie
                                          • 01-13-12
                                          • 19

                                          #3310
                                          I was on little break. And i came yesterday to realize that walco haven't stopped to suck))
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                                          • Wallco99
                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                            • 01-01-11
                                            • 7261

                                            #3311
                                            Wallco NBA Chase 110
                                            2011-12 System to date: 59-3 (fin. series)
                                            System profit/loss: +3.26 units (fin. series)
                                            Current open series: 1 (-1.35 units)

                                            (4/3/12):
                                            #61 Cleveland (+9½) (D) - Loss
                                            #63 Orlando (M/L) (A) - Loss

                                            v1 Plays
                                            (A) 37-26
                                            (B) 10-15

                                            (C) 9-6
                                            (D) 3-3

                                            V2 Plays
                                            In production


                                            Games for (4/4/12):
                                            #63 Resumes (B) on 4/5/12
                                            #64 Golden State @ Minnesota (M/L) (A) (8:05 pm EDT)
                                            #65 Cleveland (+12½) @ Milwaukee (A) (8:05 pm EDT)

                                            ** Denotes line not available at time of post


                                            We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.
                                            Last edited by Wallco99; 04-04-12, 04:46 PM.
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                                            • bauerranch
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 08-01-10
                                              • 611

                                              #3312
                                              I wish one of these TROLLS would send me a PM on what their secret to success is. It is easy to complain however unless you can prove--PROVE you have a better way- Move on!
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                                              • Douchebag50
                                                SBR Rookie
                                                • 11-12-11
                                                • 37

                                                #3313
                                                Originally posted by KennyM10
                                                Wallco what is the strategy to recover the 20 units I am down following your systems?
                                                Get loss HATER, go run your own thread instead of polluting this one...if you won't post your picks and results, go fck yourself.<re not="" going="" to="" propose="" and="" explain="" your="" system,="" then="" go="" fu...ck="" yourself!<="" html=""></re>
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                                                • alexknyc
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 03-22-11
                                                  • 861

                                                  #3314
                                                  I took a look at the posting history of our resident troll (who I have on ignore-- so feel free to vent all you want, big guy, I won't see it). In almost every thread, he's a poo-flinging monkey but in just one thread--G's-- he's an ass-kissing sycophant. I haven't bothered to go back that far but I wonder what he did when G's was down significantly last April and May.
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                                                  • casdio
                                                    SBR High Roller
                                                    • 01-05-10
                                                    • 120

                                                    #3315
                                                    I think I will not be able to get online from Friday to Tuesday. So, the best option is for me to stay out of the new series (Min and Clev), right?
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                                                    • Wallco99
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 01-01-11
                                                      • 7261

                                                      #3316
                                                      Originally posted by alexknyc
                                                      I took a look at the posting history of our resident troll (who I have on ignore-- so feel free to vent all you want, big guy, I won't see it). In almost every thread, he's a poo-flinging monkey but in just one thread--G's-- he's an ass-kissing sycophant. I haven't bothered to go back that far but I wonder what he did when G's was down significantly last April and May.
                                                      Hey Alex, did you keep up on tracking how the NHL Gold did playing the M/L on dogs? You said you were going to. I was interested to know how it would have done.
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                                                      • J.M. Disciple
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 11-16-10
                                                        • 5154

                                                        #3317
                                                        Originally posted by knugen
                                                        Jm discipline! What do u mean with DO NOT RUN A LABBY WITH JUICE HIGHER THEN -120, its work fine for
                                                        me with good money management!?
                                                        This is just for long run purposes. Some times you will have back to back series losses or even look at this season when it started. My lines got heavy at start of the season cause i was trying to win 1 unit per series and for each new series I would add 1 unit to the line.

                                                        However, I was not buying 3 points. Imagine if you go 3-7 over a 10 game span and buy 3 points at the lowest juice (-170) your line(s) will be extremely heavy and it would be no different then a standard martingale chase.

                                                        Even look at -150 juice and see how it turns out.

                                                        10 - 10 - 10 - 10 bet $30 to win $20
                                                        10 10 10 10 30 bet $60 to win $40
                                                        10 10 10 10 30 60 bet $105 to win $70
                                                        10 10 10 10 30 60 105 bet $173 to win $115

                                                        $368 total risk over 4 losses, around 18 units! Now imagine running multiple systems with a labby at -150 juice and higher. A couple of losses could really destroy your bankroll. As many of us know in sports betting some times you will lose a lot more then 4 in a row or just have a bad stretch where your hitting 30% or 40% over a 50 game stretch. With juice that high you could really wipe your bankroll out.

                                                        Also I know i stated -120 juice, but that is just a comfort thing. Some times I will go higher then -120, but its just once in a while. In my example i did it at -170, if you run labby buying 3 points your looking at -200 juice roughly, so those 18 units now become around 24 units lost. If you can handle the variance of 25 unit swings, then more power to you. Just trying to give good solid advice to those starting to use the labby now.

                                                        People should not say labby only needs 34% win to show a profit as I have said many of times. A long with the 34% requires good bankroll management and low juice. 2% per line is fine at -110 juice, but higher juice then that, maybe consider lowering your unit size for that particular system.

                                                        Hope this clears it up.
                                                        JMD
                                                        Last edited by J.M. Disciple; 04-04-12, 04:13 PM.
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                                                        • alexknyc
                                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                                          • 03-22-11
                                                          • 861

                                                          #3318
                                                          Originally posted by Wallco99
                                                          Hey Alex, did you keep up on tracking how the NHL Gold did playing the M/L on dogs? You said you were going to. I was interested to know how it would have done.
                                                          I did and even with the ridiculous juice on +1.5 PL, the system crushed chasing a win on the ML.
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                                                          • Wallco99
                                                            SBR Hall of Famer
                                                            • 01-01-11
                                                            • 7261

                                                            #3319
                                                            Originally posted by alexknyc
                                                            I did and even with the ridiculous juice on +1.5 PL, the system crushed chasing a win on the ML.
                                                            Did it end in the positive at least?
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                                                            • analyzer
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 02-03-11
                                                              • 2049

                                                              #3320
                                                              I had to go back a few pages to dig this out and just thought I'd bring it forward again for everyone.

                                                              April
                                                              4 Cleveland V3
                                                              5 Washington V3
                                                              6 Detroit V3
                                                              7 LA Lakers V3
                                                              7 Atlanta V3
                                                              8 Philadelphia V3
                                                              9 LA Clippers V3
                                                              9 Phoenix V3
                                                              10 Sacramento V3
                                                              11 Utah V3
                                                              12 Dallas V3
                                                              13 Boston V3
                                                              14 Oklahoma City V3
                                                              16 San Antonio V3
                                                              18 New York V3
                                                              18 Toronto V3
                                                              18 Philadelphia V3
                                                              18 Orlando V2
                                                              20 Golden State V3
                                                              21 Portland V3
                                                              22 New Orleans V3
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                                                              • alexknyc
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 03-22-11
                                                                • 861

                                                                #3321
                                                                Originally posted by Wallco99
                                                                Did it end in the positive at least?
                                                                The PL ended up about 10 units, the ML ended down about 15. Chasing the win on the ML lost about 1 unit but there are still two series active (chasing the ML on #213).
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                                                                • Wallco99
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 01-01-11
                                                                  • 7261

                                                                  #3322
                                                                  Wallco NBA Chase 110
                                                                  2011-12 System to date: 59-3 (fin. series)
                                                                  System profit/loss: +3.26 units (fin. series)
                                                                  Current open series: 1 (-1.35 units)

                                                                  (4/3/12):
                                                                  #61 Cleveland (+9½) (D) - Loss
                                                                  #63 Orlando (M/L) (A) - Loss

                                                                  v1 Plays
                                                                  (A) 37-26
                                                                  (B) 10-15

                                                                  (C) 9-6
                                                                  (D) 3-3

                                                                  V2 Plays
                                                                  In production


                                                                  Games for (4/4/12):
                                                                  #63 Resumes (B) on 4/5/12
                                                                  #64 Golden State @ Minnesota (M/L) (A) (8:05 pm EDT)
                                                                  #65 Cleveland (+12½) @ Milwaukee (A) (8:05 pm EDT)


                                                                  We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs.
                                                                  There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.
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                                                                  • thelimit0310
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 01-24-11
                                                                    • 1233

                                                                    #3323
                                                                    JM APR 3

                                                                    V3 PHOENIX +0.5 @ Sacramento (A) WIN

                                                                    JM APR 4

                                                                    V3 CLEVELAND +15.5 @ Milwaukee (A)
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                                                                    • rkelly110
                                                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                                      • 10-05-09
                                                                      • 39691

                                                                      #3324
                                                                      Thanks analyzer and thelimit. Nice to see some JM picks in a JM thread.
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                                                                      • Teamprofit101
                                                                        SBR Sharp
                                                                        • 12-14-11
                                                                        • 336

                                                                        #3325
                                                                        Originally posted by J.M. Disciple
                                                                        This is just for long run purposes. Some times you will have back to back series losses or even look at this season when it started. My lines got heavy at start of the season cause i was trying to win 1 unit per series and for each new series I would add 1 unit to the line.

                                                                        However, I was not buying 3 points. Imagine if you go 3-7 over a 10 game span and buy 3 points at the lowest juice (-170) your line(s) will be extremely heavy and it would be no different then a standard martingale chase.

                                                                        Even look at -150 juice and see how it turns out.

                                                                        10 - 10 - 10 - 10 bet $30 to win $20
                                                                        10 10 10 10 30 bet $60 to win $40
                                                                        10 10 10 10 30 60 bet $105 to win $70
                                                                        10 10 10 10 30 60 105 bet $173 to win $115

                                                                        $368 total risk over 4 losses, around 18 units! Now imagine running multiple systems with a labby at -150 juice and higher. A couple of losses could really destroy your bankroll. As many of us know in sports betting some times you will lose a lot more then 4 in a row or just have a bad stretch where your hitting 30% or 40% over a 50 game stretch. With juice that high you could really wipe your bankroll out.

                                                                        Also I know i stated -120 juice, but that is just a comfort thing. Some times I will go higher then -120, but its just once in a while. In my example i did it at -170, if you run labby buying 3 points your looking at -200 juice roughly, so those 18 units now become around 24 units lost. If you can handle the variance of 25 unit swings, then more power to you. Just trying to give good solid advice to those starting to use the labby now.

                                                                        People should not say labby only needs 34% win to show a profit as I have said many of times. A long with the 34% requires good bankroll management and low juice. 2% per line is fine at -110 juice, but higher juice then that, maybe consider lowering your unit size for that particular system.

                                                                        Hope this clears it up.
                                                                        JMD
                                                                        I was in the baseball thread reading up on a system i would like to follow and they gave good tips on running labby lines.

                                                                        you can divide the amount of your loss among the rest of the bets to even it out and so you won't have to put so much in one bet. I mean it will take a bit longer to get all your money back but it's worth it.

                                                                        example:

                                                                        10-10-10-10.....you bet 30 to win 20 and lose it

                                                                        30/4= 7.5 add 7.5 to each number on line

                                                                        17.5-17.5-17.5-17.5....in your next bet your looking to win $35 instead of $40...so $53 to win $35

                                                                        since on losses you add a number at the end, you can add 10 from the 30, to make the line even and take the remaining 20 divide by 5.

                                                                        10-10-10-10-30 ...becomes 10-10-10-10-10....take the 20/5=4.........so line becomes 14-14-14-14-14

                                                                        your next bet is $42.50 to win $28

                                                                        JMD your the man though, your past posts got me interested in labby wagering. Thanks!!!
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