John Morrison 2011-12 NBA Thread

**1gamer** · 03-29-12, 04:29 PM

Thinking about doing a preemptive Chase -110 on Miami on the ML. If they lose, they will be an (A) bet tomorrow anyway.

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-29-12, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by 1gamer

Thinking about doing a preemptive Chase -110 on Miami on the ML. If they lose, they will be an (A) bet tomorrow anyway.

Mia is up and down team. lebron has sprained finger or something, so bad idea I think. Also Mia plays Toronto and they been kinda hot. Would not gamble on it if I were you, just be patient.

**Kev the Brit** · 03-29-12, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by thelimit0310

Anyone know the first day of the MLB season? Am I correct that it's the 4th of April this year?

The first day of the regular MLB season was Wed Mar 28; one game: Sea @ Oak with game 2 today, Mar 29. There will then be a break until Apr 4 when there will be a single 1 game series (if there is such a thing): Sea @ Fla. The rest of the league start their series on Apr 5, incl game 3 Sea @ Oak

**1gamer** · 03-29-12, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by J.M. Disciple

Mia is up and down team. lebron has sprained finger or something, so bad idea I think. Also Mia plays Toronto and they been kinda hot. Would not gamble on it if I were you, just be patient.

Your probably right...I'll wait and see.

**superjeff24** · 03-29-12, 08:51 PM

I am curious. Has any of his systems made money?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H4MU_WyOSM

Even SBR has a warning that signing up for this may be a scam. Clearly people here think contrary, but I'm just curious as to why?

**bauerranch** · 03-29-12, 09:40 PM

For SuperJeff

Hang around here a little bit more and you will learn to not give him a dollar and listen and learn

**superjeff24** · 03-29-12, 09:59 PM

I would never pay for a chase system, since they always seem to go busto. I'm just wondering how come so many ppl follow it on here.

**thelimit0310** · 03-29-12, 10:00 PM

SuperJeff playing the JM system the way JM wants you to is definitely a scam (signing up with betus et al). Playing the system the way he lays it out at another book where the prices arent skewed and you can actually profit with it. However the great people at this forum have made numerous tweaks to his system over the years to make it a truly profitable system and a staple for the NBA season.

If you wonder why so many people play it, the latest and greatest way-to-play, the 7/5 method, is up +79 units for the season, and has grossed well over +700 units over the past 9 years.

**ChiLLx** · 03-29-12, 10:03 PM

Very few follow the actual JM system that he proposes

The other methods like 7/5 have proven to be profitable from backtesting

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-29-12, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by on3

so that table i just posted is an idea i had about a week ago based off of the yes/no 1st inning score system that is popular for MLB. except this involves yes/no over 1q for basketball. plays are selected based off of time slot (1 game per time slot), and listed are the games that have the highest total posted.

i missed the 3/25 games, but otherwise this has won 7 days in a row.

this hasnt been backtested (because its impossible to find 1q lines on a historical basis), and is just an idea that has had a good week.

if anyone wants to join by playing .25 units for s h its and giggles, feel free. i just wanted to share.

i will not be posting this 'system' in any thread, and i will not be clogging up this thread. just wanted to share an experiment with some friends in here. enjoy!

Great work On3! I was thinking a few weeks ago I wish they had some thing like yes/no 1st inning for NBA as well. I know "whats his face" ran a labby on this for MLB and the dogs did quite well. I am glad some one thought of some thing like this for NBA! I am really excited to test this out.

The system will need a few tweaks though if you ran a labby on it. The 30min time frames will not be enough time to place your bet between games and average out the lines. Often times the games start later then expected and if there are a lot of fowls in the game, then it can drag on for quite some time. I would recommend 1 hour gaps instead of 30minutes. That way you do not press your luck. Of course this is assuming your going to labby it instead of flat betting it.

You said you are betting the Over for the highest total? I would think betting under for the highest total would be better, but we would have to find some stats on this to decide which one is better. We would also have to compare some stats for the lowest total to see how well the Yes/No does on that as well.

If its similar to MLB it should be around 51/49. I know when people were betting NO they ruined a lot of bankrolls from people on threads betting NO at -190 for like 25 units! When the percentage even for the highest juice hits close to 50%. Would need some more stats before jumping in deep with this kind of "system" your thinking of.

If you can more info on this please share; im very curious to what percentages each lie on. I would think betting the Over for the lowest total of the day would be better.

Also when you said total were you talking about the highest total for the 1st quarter or highest total for the entire game, then only betting 1st quarter. I think some times they will differ.

Thanks for the table and info

--JMD--

**Wallco99** · 03-29-12, 10:51 PM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 57-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +19.71 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-2.20 units)

v1 Plays
(A) 35-26
(B) 10-14
(C) 9-5
(D) 3-2

V2 Plays
In production

Games for (3/30/12):
#60 Sacramento (+7) @ Utah (B) (9:05 pm EDT)
#61 Milwaukee @ Cleveland (+5) (B) (7:35 pm EDT)

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

**Wallco99** · 03-29-12, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by J.M. Disciple

Great work On3! I was thinking a few weeks ago I wish they had some thing like yes/no 1st inning for NBA as well. I know "whats his face" ran a labby on this for MLB and the dogs did quite well. I am glad some one thought of some thing like this for NBA! I am really excited to test this out.

The system will need a few tweaks though if you ran a labby on it. The 30min time frames will not be enough time to place your bet between games and average out the lines. Often times the games start later then expected and if there are a lot of fowls in the game, then it can drag on for quite some time. I would recommend 1 hour gaps instead of 30minutes. That way you do not press your luck. Of course this is assuming your going to labby it instead of flat betting it.

Thanks for the table and info

--JMD--

WEll duh! Of course the game would drag on if there were chickens and turkeys all over the court. Not to mention the occasional goose, they alone could account for at least five to ten extra minutes. And don't get me started on the pheasants!

**CrazyCarl** · 03-29-12, 11:04 PM

Originally posted by Wallco99

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 57-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +19.71 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-2.20 units)

v1 Plays
(A) 35-26
(B) 10-14
(C) 9-5
(D) 3-2

V2 Plays
In production

Games for (3/30/12):
#60 Sacramento (+7) @ Utah (B) (9:05 pm EDT)
#61 Milwaukee @ Cleveland (+5) (B) (7:35 pm EDT)

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-29-12, 11:27 PM

you got 2pts for that one Wallco... Just for making me laugh.

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-29-12, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by on3

date	home	away	total	time
21-Mar	orl	phx	49	4.05p	no
	njn	wash	51.5	4.35p	yes
	okc	lac	50	5.05p	yes
	sas	min	52.5	5.35p	no
	den	det	50	6.05p	yes
	dal	lal	48.5	6.35p	yes
22-Mar
	wash	ind	50	4.05p	yes
	mil	bos	51.5	5.05p	yes
	sacto	utah	53	7.05p	yes
23-Mar
	char	mil	51	4.05p	no
	det	mia	49	4.35p	no
	okc	min	52.5	5.05p	yes
	sas	dal	51	5.35p	no
	utah	denver	52	7.35p	yes
24-Mar
	lac	mem	47.5	12.05p	yes
	wash	atl	48	4.05p	no
	nyk	det	48.5	4.35p	no
	hou	dal	49.5	5.05p	yes
	mil	ind	51.5	5.35p	yes
	gsw	sac	53	7.35p	yes
26-Mar
				4.05p
	nyk	mil	52	4.35p	yes
	hou	sac	54	5.05p	no
	lac	noh		7.35p	?
27-Mar
	phi	cle	47	4.05p	yes
	mil	atl	51	5.05p	yes
	dal	hou	49	5.35p	push
	phx	sas	51.5	7.05p	yes
	gsw	lal	49.5	7.35p	no
28-Mar
	tor	denver	51	4.05p	no
	njn	ind	48	4.35p	no
	sac	sas	54	7.05p	no
	lax	phx	49.5	7.35p	yes

I really think your onto some thing here. 18-12 by the looks of it and tonight was 3-1 as well, so looks like it is hitting well above 50% which would crush with the labby. Small sample, so will definitely need to do some more research on it. Probably should start another thread for this.

Thanks again for the info ON3.

**Wallco99** · 03-30-12, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by J.M. Disciple

you got 2pts for that one Wallco... Just for making me laugh.

Gotta keep it fun!

**jmaldonado** · 03-30-12, 07:36 AM

7/5

can someone please briefly describe the 7/5 system? i presume it is regarding bankroll management... thanks!!!

**onacloud** · 03-30-12, 07:45 AM

Originally posted by jmaldonado

can someone please briefly describe the 7/5 system? i presume it is regarding bankroll management... thanks!!!

read the thread

any questions you have will be answered if you are serious you will read everything is here for you dont expect to be spoon fed

**on3** · 03-30-12, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Moneymakers713

I have been looking at this thread this year and I even looked back at last year. I have been doing my own research - I never rely on anyone else's numbers. I have been running various systems this year in NBA which are taking alot more losses than in previous years because of the short season. I appreciate the tips on the 7/5 system... not really sure who came up with it but it is great. I have come up with my own 7/5 system that is alot better than the current one according to my numbers. I have stopped playing games this season because all systems are missing at a disturbing rate. Remember any system that goes to D bet and you are betting ml is certain death. Any system that you buy 3 pts on also is certain death. Any system that you chase 3 games is also certain death unless you are playing for a very small amount of money or labbying - but who wants to do that! Time to move on to baseball I have the best systems available but I will only be giving out series to play on and not giving out my systems. Some people may be smart enough to figure them out - which I have also been smart enough to figure out my own systems through dealing with John Morrison, James Jones, and Rich Allen's systems. My baseball season starts May 1st. If you play in April or September your bankroll will suffer greatly. Remember - The game is to be sold not to be told. Stay tuned!!!!

with all due respect, if you arent here to share your systems then no one cares what you have to say. your whole post contained nothing of value to anyone who read it. people come in these forums in which the majority contribute something of value, except they decide to post this drivel that helps no one.

not trying to belittle you, but perhaps you can share your research so that everyone can benefit from it.

**tarosill** · 03-30-12, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by on3

so that table i just posted is an idea i had about a week ago based off of the yes/no 1st inning score system that is popular for MLB. except this involves yes/no over 1q for basketball. plays are selected based off of time slot (1 game per time slot), and listed are the games that have the highest total posted.

i missed the 3/25 games, but otherwise this has won 7 days in a row.

this hasnt been backtested (because its impossible to find 1q lines on a historical basis), and is just an idea that has had a good week.

if anyone wants to join by playing .25 units for s h its and giggles, feel free. i just wanted to share.

i will not be posting this 'system' in any thread, and i will not be clogging up this thread. just wanted to share an experiment with some friends in here. enjoy!

It's actually posible to find 1Q lines.
Oddsportal dot com provides historical lines and odds back to 2008/2009 NBA season.

Hope this helps.

**superjeff24** · 03-30-12, 12:08 PM

So it's called the JM system, but you're really just modifying it to work it better? Do you still use his picks, or do you have a way of using similar ones?

**adidas-b 88** · 03-30-12, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by thelimit0310

No active series, next JM series on the 30th with New Jersey. The entire JM schedule has been posted on page 3 of this thread. I'd like to apologize for my absence yesterday work got the better of my time. I have accurately noted all wins and losses and appreciate any and all of you who stepped up for the day and good job all 7/5 players on the wins.

NZT-48 I know exactly what I'm doing. You are misinterpreting the schedule thinking all the "continued from" plays are legitimate plays, which they are not. Every time one comes up you query the forum about it and wonder why I don't post it, you need to realize they are not official plays. As you saw the past day I'm one of the few accurate play posters here, you can trust that when I post a play I am not feeding anyone to wolves, I know which plays are legitimate when I make a post.

Also memphis is a system play today to game 1

**casdio** · 03-30-12, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by adidas-b 88

Also memphis is a system play today to game 1

Why? They won their game vs Minnesota...

**ChiLLx** · 03-30-12, 01:51 PM

Memphis is a V3 system A bet

**mcmister** · 03-30-12, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by casdio

Why? They won their game vs Minnesota...

It wasn't a road game

**mcmister** · 03-30-12, 02:39 PM

30 New Jersey V1
30 Memphis V3
31 Charlotte V3

April
1 Golden State V3
2 Houston V3
3 Phoenix V3
4 Cleveland V3
5 Washington V3
6 Detroit V3
7 LA Lakers V3
7 Atlanta V3
8 Philadelphia V3
9 LA Clippers V3
9 Phoenix V3
10 Sacramento V3
11 Utah V3
12 Dallas V3
13 Boston V3
14 Oklahoma City V3
16 San Antonio V3
18 New York V3
18 Toronto V3
18 Philadelphia V3
18 Orlando V2
20 Golden State V3
21 Portland V3
22 New Orleans V3

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-30-12, 03:29 PM

Originally posted by Moneymakers713

I have done a lot of research on systems in NBA, MLB, NHL, and NFL. All of these systems miss, some are better than others but you can make money if you have proper money management. You have to be smart you can't chase systems with crazy odds. Never take the info that someone gives you on one of these forums and think you can make money off of it. If the systems that these guys come up with are any good then they would make money off of them also. I will be making my own thread for baseball season. I will just give the series that meet my criteria. After watching my series for a month you will see that it is necessary to have the knowledge that i have when betting these systems.

With that said i am looking to help people, but I have done years of research and i am sorry but i will not give up my secrets for free. Once I start my thread i will give everyone the link to it. Trust me you will make money off of the info i give you in my thread. Once you start to make money, you shouldn't care about giving me a little subscription fee to continue to recieve my knowledge.

Let me ask you a question who has actually been able to make a living off of the info on this thread or all we all just piddling around losing thousands of dollars with these systems? As you can see all the major books advertise on this thread because they know they have people who will think they found the next big thing and end up losing there money too. Just food for thought!

Wallco has something similar to this, but i assure you no one pays any fees on this forum. Wallco also does not release any secrets to his system, but releases all the plays and you can follow at your own risk.

With your post no one knows how consistent you are with your post or your systems. wallco provides the Numbers to each season with the year ends profits. You can atleast do the same.

Also to say any game iwth a D bet or 3 game chase is certain death is false. Wallco has a couple of systems runninng all involves chases and none of them destroy your bankroll, but cushion it long run.

I do not suggest coming in here trying to sell a system with out any data provided. I doubt anyone will follow you at the beginning unless results from previous seasons are shared. You do not have to share any info, just the results same as wallco.

Good Luck with your adventure.

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-30-12, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by tarosill

It's actually posible to find 1Q lines.
Oddsportal dot com provides historical lines and odds back to 2008/2009 NBA season.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the site. I would give points, but already gave my 2pts to wallco. I will check it out this weekend and try and get some research done on it. Next season will surely show a huge lucrative profit if the Overs continue at the same rate.

If anyone wants to help me back test this I would greatly appreciate it. We can each take a season and just use a simple back test to see how many lines 1Q overs would clear.

I think we should use a 4pm, 5pm, 6pm, and 730pm time frame to do this back test. That way everyone has time to average out their labby lines and there are no elongated quarters that give us a problem. 1 hour gaps is perfect for this.

Oddsportal dot com

Thanks again
JMD

**J.M. Disciple** · 03-30-12, 03:37 PM

Also could some one show me how or link me to the 1Q using that site? When I do a search nothing comes up. I get the site to open fine and click on basketball, but I can only get the odds for the entire game to show, not broken down into Quarters.

Thanks
jMD

**Wallco99** · 03-30-12, 03:46 PM

Thank you moderators!

**stevex** · 03-30-12, 04:16 PM

Keep the bs advertising out of here. JM and Wallco's systems are just fine, and are money makers, period.

**Wallco99** · 03-30-12, 04:28 PM

Wallco NBA Chase 110
2011-12 System to date: 57-2 (fin. series)
System profit/loss: +19.71 units (fin. series)
Current open series: 2 (-2.20 units)

v1 Plays
(A) 35-26
(B) 10-14
(C) 9-5
(D) 3-2

V2 Plays
In production

Games for (3/30/12):
#60 Sacramento (+6½) @ Utah (B) (9:05 pm EDT)
#61 Milwaukee @ Cleveland (+4½) (B) (7:35 pm EDT)

We will ALWAYS play the M/L on favorites and the point spread (-110) on dogs. There is no point buying in this system, with one exception, if your team is the favorite, and buying down to a zero point spread is cheaper than playing the M/L, then by all means, buy the points, otherwise, M/L on all favorites and point spread on dogs. All results will be based on this principle. All lines and standings are based on FINAL lines from ScoresandOdds.com/. If one of the teams we are playing switches from a favorite to a dog, after my initial post, make sure you get the appropriate line if it differs from what I have posted. The wins and losses will be based on who is the dog team, and who is the favorite on ScoresandOdds.com/ final lines. I will try to update my post as often as I can throughout the day, if the lines change, but it is the individual bettor’s responsibility to get the appropriate line if it differs from my post. On occasion, we will have plays that go head-head. The system will grade ALL bets, regardless of opponents, how you wish to play these games is your choice.

**1gamer** · 03-30-12, 05:25 PM

Preemptive Chase -110

Atlanta ML -135 @ 5Dimes

**CrazyCarl** · 03-30-12, 07:27 PM

**ChiLLx** · 03-30-12, 08:04 PM

Cavs have been pathetic recently