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    Celtics doing the same thing to the Dubs as they did to the Nets

    They're too big. The Nets had guys on the bench-Griffin, Aldridge, Clayton, Drummond-they would only play one guy and play Irving and Durant too long.

    Kerr is doing a better job coaching the Dubs, giving Curry rest.

    But it's flat obvious the Celtics are taller, stronger. They are the perfect team to play against the Dubs, a team that can switch, that is tall enough to block perimeter shots. They have elite defenders who can guard Curry (though Horford's d against Curry was a joke tonight).

    The Celtics are beatable-a team with a great center can beat them down low. Williams looks great because the Dubs are small. When Green left the game the Dubs didn't have any more beef. They have Looney but he can't shoot.

    The 6ers with a healthy Embiid would have been a much better matchup against the Celtics. The Suns and Memphis would have played better against the Celtics. The Mavs would have gotten killed.

    We've seen a changing of the NBA, where it used to be hot 3 point shooting all the time-it still is-but when you have tall elite defenders the team has no chance.

    It's hard to imagine the Dubs have any chance of winning this series, and most likely lose game 4. I imagine a lot of people will think the Dubs will come back hard in Game 4, but this looks like a beatdown, just like happened with the Nets, who also had talent. It is amazing how the Celtics just chew up and spit out a great team, with one of the top shooters of ALL TIME in steph curry. Curry looked beat, and hurt by the time the game ended. It's hard to imagine Klay Thompson playing as well as he did this game. Granted the Celtics were hot shooting the ball and they may cool off, but this series looks like a physical beating of a smaller team. check the refs, maybe they can give the Dubs a chance next game.

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    Look at the roster

    Warriors
    Curry 6'2" 185 lbs AND 34 YEARS OLD NOW
    Green 6'6" 230
    Poole 6'4" 194
    Porter 6'8" 198
    Wiggins 6'7" 197

    Celtics
    Brown 6'6" 223
    Horford 6'9" 240
    Smart 6'4" 240
    Tatum 6'8" 210
    White 6'4" 190
    G Williams 6'6" 236
    R Williams 6'9" 237

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    Curry has got to be the most underrated star in the league. The reason he doesn't put up numbers like this on a nightly basis is teams basically send two to him every time he comes off a screen with the ball -and sometimes even when he doesn't have the ball. So bums like Green/ Iguodala/ Payton/ Looney get to shine, and Wiggins gets to look like an all-star. Amazing how many people think Irving is more skilled than him.

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    Mark Jackson late in the game lauding Kerr for the "gutsy gutsy" move to give Green the hook. This another reason why he was a poor strategist as a coach; can't limit yourself with absolute rules/ gotta be flexible -lotta NBA coaches think like him tbf. Warriors were struggling to score at the time so they rolled with their best offensive players plus Looney and it turned the game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    Curry has got to be the most underrated star in the league. The reason he doesn't put up numbers like this on a nightly basis is teams basically send two to him every time he comes off a screen with the ball -and sometimes even when he doesn't have the ball. So bums like Green/ Iguodala/ Payton/ Looney get to shine, and Wiggins gets to look like an all-star. Amazing how many people think Irving is more skilled than him.
    Curry is one of the greatest players of all time, I put him in the top 5 (Jordan was the best ever). Never saw Wilt, saw Kareem in his old days, never saw Russel.

    The guy is absolutely incredible to watch. Like Jordan back in the day, he was must-see tv. He doesn't get the credit he deserves as an all-time great.

    You're right they constantly send guys at him, and he still scores. There is no way Irving is more skilled, Irving is almost useless as a defender. Curry is a poor defender, but no doubt better than Irving.

    Yeah the best made everyone else better. Jordan did that back in the day, before free agency superteams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    Mark Jackson late in the game lauding Kerr for the "gutsy gutsy" move to give Green the hook. This another reason why he was a poor strategist as a coach; can't limit yourself with absolute rules/ gotta be flexible -lotta NBA coaches think like him tbf. Warriors were struggling to score at the time so they rolled with their best offensive players plus Looney and it turned the game.
    What happened to Green. Well the guy Jackson never got a 2nd shot. Who knows.

    92 of their 107 points were scored by Curry (43) Thompson (18) Wiggins (17) Poole (14). Curry more than twice as much as anyone else, and more attention by far. What a player.

    Not said but I felt late maybe the Celtics don't have the maturity to win a series. I thought if the Celtics win, probably get the Dubs at +325 or something like that to win the series. But, the Celtics folded when it counted the most.

    At 5:18 Smart hit a 3, Celtics were up 4. Then they pretty much stopped scoring.

    What do we do for Game 5, because both teams are 14-0 in this playoffs coming off a loss. Is it the Celtics, or what. The only game I put a little on was game 2 for the Dubs, game 3 ml celts, got my mojo back at least for a short time. Why they don't put the game on, on Sunday night who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser View Post
    Curry is one of the greatest players of all time, I put him in the top 5 (Jordan was the best ever). Never saw Wilt, saw Kareem in his old days, never saw Russel.

    The guy is absolutely incredible to watch. Like Jordan back in the day, he was must-see tv. He doesn't get the credit he deserves as an all-time great.

    You're right they constantly send guys at him, and he still scores. There is no way Irving is more skilled, Irving is almost useless as a defender. Curry is a poor defender, but no doubt better than Irving.

    Yeah the best made everyone else better. Jordan did that back in the day, before free agency superteams.
    He's having the best time of his career through these 4 games, no doubt... but I wouldn't call him anywhere close to top 10 let alone top 5, lol.... hes had too many meltdown moments in his career and is a liability on the defensive end on many occasions.... cannot put him in that godly ranking, no way.

    And we shall see how much longer his hot shooting gonna last.... so far hes hitting 50% from 3s with volume, we wil see if that continue for whole series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk0002 View Post
    He's having the best time of his career through these 4 games, no doubt... but I wouldn't call him anywhere close to top 10 let alone top 5, lol.... hes had too many meltdown moments in his career and is a liability on the defensive end on many occasions.... cannot put him in that godly ranking, no way.

    And we shall see how much longer his hot shooting gonna last.... so far hes hitting 50% from 3s with volume, we wil see if that continue for whole series.
    Based on what I've seen (like I said no disrespect Wilt Russel Kareem, Kareem I saw late) my top 5
    jordan
    james
    curry
    magic
    kobe

    This guy Curry is the greatest scorer of all time. That's all time. And I don't think there's much question about it. Unless you want to talk about Wilt-like I said, past my day, so I can't count the guy. What I heard, Wilt would score at the expense of his guys, Russel was better because he included his guys. But I don't know, past my day.

    Curry's a liability on d, but his liability on d is not terrible, it's not Kyrie Irving level.

    Imagine the Dubs without Curry. They would have been eliminated in the 1st round. Look at the rest of that roster. Who's the superstar.

    He's got maybe one year left and that's it.

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    Curry got 10 rebounds last game. That's more than Draymond Green. Truly the elite of the elite, and the greatest shooter of all time. All credit due.

    Nobody was better than Jordan.

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    All that said, doesn't mean I'm on the Dubs next game. The Celtics are bigger, taller. They may win the series, as said it's not about one game, what's last. You can't win a game with 1 guy, unless it's Michael Jordan or maybe LeBron James.

    I don't think there is any question Curry is the greatest shooter in the last 40 years in the NBA.

    Durant could have been among the greats, but the achilles injury really hurt the guy. took 2 years to come back, and imo he's over the hill now. He wasn't the same in the playoffs.

    Anyways, it's opinion of course, no way of verifying opinion. gl.

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    As far as level of play, this series is as good as it gets imo. These 2 teams are both elite teams playing as high a level of basketball as I have ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser View Post
    Curry got 10 rebounds last game. That's more than Draymond Green. Truly the elite of the elite, and the greatest shooter of all time. All credit due.

    Nobody was better than Jordan.
    Like you said, greatest shooter of all time, pump the brake there on the "best player of all time" or even top 10... you could be best in certain aspect of basketball, but it takes a whole lot more to be among the best Players of all time. there are many flaws to curry's game to be considered in the top 10 of all time. I don't care how well he shoots the ball, and there are many series where he shot less than 30% from 3s for the whole series, and just because he shot godly this series so far doesn't really mean all that much, shooters get hot all the time.

    If curry was that great, golden state wouldn't even miss playoffs when klay was out, or couldn't even win the play in tournament. He's playing in a great system, but if you need curry to carry a team with trash players, you are absolutely doom, hes no jordan, bron or any other all time greats, certainly not anywhere close to top 10 of all time imo. I'm having hard time to place him even top 20 of all time, there are too many amazing players in history.

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    Fair enough. Put him at #13 I'll shake hands

    There are a handful of nba players who make you look when they're on the court. Definitely jordan
    I'll put magic, bird, james, kobe in there.

    Curry changed the game. Give the celtics credit for looking past that. Lengthy strong defenders, they're trying to win a title and change the game. Good times!

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    My gen x generation imo it was jordan tiger tyson in that order. I always wondered if ali holmes frazier foreman etc in their prime would beat tyson. My guess is holmes would, perfect style v tyson

    These guys made professional athletes look like they didn't belong playing the sport. Guys who spent their lives to be the best looked foolish.

    When steph curry makes a 3 point play and gets a flagrant foul on al horford, he makes horford look like he belongs on his high school team. 7 point play. Incredible to watch

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    Quote Originally Posted by sk0002 View Post
    He's having the best time of his career through these 4 games, no doubt... but I wouldn't call him anywhere close to top 10 let alone top 5, lol.... hes had too many meltdown moments in his career and is a liability on the defensive end on many occasions.... cannot put him in that godly ranking, no way.

    And we shall see how much longer his hot shooting gonna last.... so far hes hitting 50% from 3s with volume, we wil see if that continue for whole series.
    I don't know where I'd rank him all time - one of the best offensively - but if you're focusing on shooting percentages you're missing the point. He elevates the play of his teammates like no one else. Even great passers like Jokic & Doncic don't do as much for their teammates as him imo.

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    It seems obvious to me that if Middleton didn't get hurt the Bucks would be repeating champs. Vs the Warriors they'd offer the same great defense as the Celtics but on the offensive end Anteto' would be destroying Looney/ Green like Jokic did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    I don't know where I'd rank him all time - one of the best offensively - but if you're focusing on shooting percentages you're missing the point. He elevates the play of his teammates like no one else. Even great passers like Jokic & Doncic don't do as much for their teammates as him imo.
    xactly because they focus on him it makes everyone else's job so much easier. anybody that's been on the floor knows how much easier it is to rebound pass stay in the game. what a phenomenal gift he has

    lebron yesterday said

    “FACTS!!! “THEY” will try to do anything in their powers to not acknowledge simply how “DIFFERENT he is! It’s Rare and rare is not liked & appreciated,” LeBron wrote on Twitter.

    All that said... this series is NOT over. Can't anoint the guy yet. What a team the Celtics have to beat on the Warriors. You can be sure these guys are ready to go, question is will Tatum have one of those games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IBetYou View Post
    It seems obvious to me that if Middleton didn't get hurt the Bucks would be repeating champs. Vs the Warriors they'd offer the same great defense as the Celtics but on the offensive end Anteto' would be destroying Looney/ Green like Jokic did.
    Very possible with Middleton they beat the Celtics. Celtics have Robert Williams but he is a shot blocker specialist, Yannis would have killed the guy.
    Without Middleton they lost their go-to shooter. Look at that team, he's the only consistent one they had. Certainly not holiday. The rest are role players.

    The Grizzlies would have matched up great with the Celtics. The Dubs do not. The Dubs have to shoot and claw their way to the title against the Celtics. What a series.

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