[Seto]

admit gsw backers, you don't really trust curry and Durant. In the back of your mind, you wonder in the biggest stage, will they shrink. your doubt is confirmed when Kawhi and the spurs held a 23 points lead. How can that be? You have 4 all-stars. Now, you are facing a team that has lebron and that point guard who always makes the dagger shots(remember game 7 and the Christmas game) while your beloved Curry can't shake Love. But, hey, keep pounding that -300 line.

Dude you are all over the place. You're just trying to convince yourself.

You mean the same LeBron James who, 8-9 years into his career, was considered a choker by most people who followed the game? Perhaps unfairly, but in that case you could make the same for Curry and Durant. It's not like they have a James Harden-esque resume of repeatedly coming up small in big moments. They have made tons of big shots over their respective careers.

Curry is an NBA champion who averaged 26 5 and 6 in the finals despite getting hammered by everyone (including myself) after his game 2 and 3 performances. All this big deal is made about how he blew a 3-1 lead but what about the 3-1 lead he came back from? Averaged like 33 8 and 7 over those last 3 against OKC. Everyone has his opinion over whether he was healthy or not for last year's finals, but ultimately even if you want to shoot it down as a poor excuse it's not like it makes him a choker to have choked once. His game 7 was atrocious but not nearly as bad as a couple of those games LeBron had against the Mavs.

Durant in the 2012 Finals? 30pts on 55% shooting and 40% from 3. Miami was a better team and LeBron outplayed him overall but let's not act like the guy was some kind of spectator to the series. Has beaten the Spurs twice in the playoffs, both times without homecourt, both times as the underdog in the series. But yeah, sure, he shrinks on the big stage because he had one awful game against the Warriors last year in game 6. Let's let that define his career.

Categorising Irving as some kind of clutch king is silly too. The fact that you have to bring up a random regular season shot sums up how short his resume is to this point in the playoffs. Now obviously it's not his fault the competition in the East is so bad he's rarely in a position to make big shots, but say he averages 19 points on 41% shooting in these finals, does that all of a sudden make him a choker? Just silly.

This series is about who's the better basketball team, not who's the clutcher team. Neither team has a James Harden who has literally shrunk in every big moment in his career.

[Mac4Lyfe]

Cavs fans, smh. Talking about embarrasing teams, nobody has done it better than the warriors, they had the best margin of victory in NBA HISTORY, not cavs. Also, Cavs beaten garbage trashy east teams, west is on another level. Cavs dont know whats coming at them, rude awakening incoming. You might say warriors beaten teams with injured players, so are the Cavs, Raptors without lowry and celtics without IT. Both Jazz and Spurs are on another level compared to those trashy east teams missing key players.

And they still lost the ship on their own damn court. Cavs beat them 3 games in a row. You don't think maybe the Cavs found something on how to beat GS?

Cavs may win in 5.

[Git Lo]

steph curry, klay thompson, kevin durant, draymond green

[sk0002]

And they still lost the ship on their own damn court. Cavs beat them 3 games in a row. You don't think maybe the Cavs found something on how to beat GS?

Cavs may win in 5.

That was exhausted warriors without KD, Draymond missing a game and Bogut out injured for 3 games and Iggy not healthy for 3 games. This warriors is another beast compared to last year, Dubs lost a lot of playoff games heading to the finals last year, this year they totally dominated the playoffs thus far, if you cant tell the differences, you are fooling yourself. There is a reason why warriors lost many games before the finals after only lost 9 games whole year in the regular season. Stephen Curry wasnt healthy, he clearly wasn't, and that was a big reason why warriors wasn't nearly as dominant in the playoffs last year. Not only that, Warriors were much more exhausted heading into the playoffs as they already had 1 month of playoffs run prior to the real playoffs because of their chase of the all time best regular season records. Every single team they faced down the stretch gave them hell and it was literally a month long playoff games before the real playoffs begin. Dubs were super exhausted before playoffs begin.

This warriors is much Healthier, much hungrier, Much more talented than last year. I also happen to believe Cavs is actually worse than last year, but we shall see. I fully expect a sweep, or 5 games max for total redemption. Cavaliers dont deserve the title, NBA gifted them with the suspension.

[homie1975]

steph curry, klay thompson, kevin durant, draymond green

1 ring between all four of them. Lebron 3

There's only 1 basketball

[champlain]

1 ring between all four of them. Lebron 3

There's only 1 basketball

Maybe he thinks it's fantasy. And don't understand a basketball game has one ball and not 5 players playing one on one.

[Git Lo]

^struck a nerve

homie you literally make no sense. Where you fading Bron when he had zero rings?

[eddycash]

Huh? Wasn't James her biggest supporter?

Hillary Clinton supporters were blind to see the truth and thought they had the win in the bag.

[homie1975]

^struck a nerve

homie you literally make no sense. Where you fading Bron when he had zero rings?

I bet against him in 07, 11, and 12. Went 2-1 those series winning w spurs and mavs. Lost when I took okc in 12

[homie1975]

Dude has tried to memory check 2 people in this thread, got buried both times and both times nowhere to be seen after lol.

Phaggot do u remember 13 when I pocked heat, 15 I picked gs or 16 when I picked cavs? Of course not. U point out 14 when I said the heat should not be discounted bit spurs would prolly win

[Skrilla777]

The Warriors bred their stars from the start of they're careers. they just added Durant. They don't get calls like other teams but they still dominate. I agree Warriors in 5 at most

[Skrilla777]

I think we might see some blowouts too

[Mac4Lyfe]

This warriors is much Healthier, much hungrier, Much more talented than last year. I also happen to believe Cavs is actually worse than last year, but we shall see. I fully expect a sweep, or 5 games max for total redemption. Cavaliers dont deserve the title, NBA gifted them with the suspension.

Okay, if you think the Cav's are worse this year than last then you need ban yourself from every sportsbook.

I keep hearing Warrior bandwagon idiots mention Draymond's suspension. The NBA didn't suspend him, that fukker suspended himself. He should have been kicked out of the OKC series at least 2 games for his bullshit. OKC should have been in the Finals instead of GSW in the first fuking place. That bitch threw a punch at Lebron's nuts and you're blaming the NBA? WTF? If you throw a punch in this league you are suspended. That shit is not debatable. He should have been suspended at least 3 games if you were objective. Did you see Ibaka and Lopez attempt to throw punches this year? They both got suspended and never made contact. Draymond actually grazed nuts.

The NBA is non negotiable with altercations. Maybe you should read the rules...

Violent acts of any nature on the court will not be tolerated. Players involved in altercations will be ejected, fined and/ suspended. whether or not it connects

I'll ask you again... What the fukk happened in game 6 and 7 where Draymond actually played? How the fukk can you say with a straight face that the Cav's were gifted a title by the NBA when they kicked GS in the vagina 3 straight games. Your GSW pussies didn't deserve the title last year. Neither does that butt licker Durant this year. Durant servicing all them she-males in San Fran will take it's toll in these Finals.

[PAULYPOKER]

[olamide]

Warriors not a better team than the Cavs. they are the two best team in the league. Cavs have an edge by having the best player in their team and best bench.
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[Git Lo]

I bet against him in 07, 11, and 12. Went 2-1 those series winning w spurs and mavs. Lost when I took okc in 12

But you won't fade him against GS? Anyways just picking the team who swept Spurs.. wouldn't doubt a cavs win, Bron is #1

[sk0002]

Okay, if you think the Cav's are worse this year than last then you need ban yourself from every sportsbook.

I keep hearing Warrior bandwagon idiots mention Draymond's suspension. The NBA didn't suspend him, that fukker suspended himself. He should have been kicked out of the OKC series at least 2 games for his bullshit. OKC should have been in the Finals instead of GSW in the first fuking place. That bitch threw a punch at Lebron's nuts and you're blaming the NBA? WTF? If you throw a punch in this league you are suspended. That shit is not debatable. He should have been suspended at least 3 games if you were objective. Did you see Ibaka and Lopez attempt to throw punches this year? They both got suspended and never made contact. Draymond actually grazed nuts.

The NBA is non negotiable with altercations. Maybe you should read the rules...

Violent acts of any nature on the court will not be tolerated. Players involved in altercations will be ejected, fined and/ suspended. whether or not it connects

I'll ask you again... What the fukk happened in game 6 and 7 where Draymond actually played? How the fukk can you say with a straight face that the Cav's were gifted a title by the NBA when they kicked GS in the vagina 3 straight games. Your GSW pussies didn't deserve the title last year. Neither does that butt licker Durant this year. Durant servicing all them she-males in San Fran will take it's toll in these Finals.

When both teams fully healthy, not missing any single players.....Warriors destroyed Cavs 3-1, and series only changed after the suspension, you don't give a dead team living chances, it will come back to bite you, that's exactly what happened, and actually it was NBA who gifted them the chances to prolong the series for obvious reason, revenue. You are retarded as penetrate if you didn't think NBA tried to prolong the series by suspending draymond green when they didn't suspend him for much bigger offenses in that OKC series.

You say OKC should be in the finals, let me teach you something you stupid ass, warriors lost game 4 in the game which draymond would be suspended if there was a suspension, so it doesn't mean jack shit if draymond suspended or not since warriors lost game 4 regardless. Get it, you dumb penetrate???? Now, vs cavs, in a much much much lesser offense, which Lebron initiated and draymond being suspended for that ??? If you compare draymond on Adams vs Lebron, with a clear head, you would be able to tell draymond would be suspended 10 games to 1 game on Lebron, its not even comparable.

So don't give me that bullshit draymond should be suspended or deserve the suspension, if they didn't suspend him in that western conference series, no way in hell he should be suspended in that cavs series in a much lesser offense which Lebron initiated. Cavs got very lucky after suspension and had the momentum and referee on their side on top warriors missing key players after suspension. You are fooling yourself or don't have a brain to think if you didn't think warriors were by far the better team in that series, play that series 10 times , warriors come out on top 8 or more times, even the sorry cryfucker leshit admitted that warriors been the best team last 3 teams, maybe you should listen to your rooster sucking idol instead of spewing out garbage here.

Bogut and healthy IGGY was pivotal for warriors to beat Cavs, they didn't have either of those last year, after being up 3-1. Losing Bogut was huge because they didnt have any rim protector anymore without him, thats why he was pivotal, not that he was that good of a player. Ezeli was garbage, guy is D league player at best. Warriors never won a series before without healthy BOGUT, thats why he was very important to them before, and it's different now for warriors because they got a couple 7 footer who could protect the rim now whereas before only bogut could do that for them. Iggy wasn't the same after injuring his back, clear as day he wasn't the same. Everything gone Cleveland way last year, they were just extremely lucky and the better team lost, plain and simple, and they should thank NBA for that to help them prolong the series which greatly benefited them.
Again, fraudulent title for Cleveland, they are about to get murderd this time around and we are about to witness the biggest beat down in NBA finals history, stay tuned.

[JaimeMiro]

This game of If's and but's is intriguing, let try to play along... GSW win a title in 2015 - Cavs missing Kyrie and Love. Underdog still manages to win 2 games. Cavs win title in 2016 - Green suspended, (rightfully/wrongfully??? debatable). Bogut injured in game 5, Iggy not 100%. No. of games won after game 4 = 0... All teams are healthy this time around and playing like juggernauts, yet some idiots think it's going to be a sweep?! Think again. I say we might get a shock as early as game 1
Cavs in 6

[Mac4Lyfe]

When both teams fully healthy, not missing any single players.....Warriors destroyed Cavs 3-1, and series only changed after the suspension, you don't give a dead team living chances, it will come back to bite you, that's exactly what happened, and actually it was NBA who gifted them the chances to prolong the series for obvious reason, revenue. You are retarded as penetrate if you didn't think NBA tried to prolong the series by suspending draymond green when they didn't suspend him for much bigger offenses in that OKC series.

Hey Dumbass... Draymond suspended himself. He piled up too many flagrant points in the playoffs which is an automatic suspension. Plus, If you throw a punch in the NBA, YOU basically WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY SUSPENDED. IF YOU LEAVE THE BENCH DURING AN ALTERCATION YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY SUSPENDED FOR AT LEAST ONE GAME as well. This shit is not up for debate, precedent has already been set in the NBA years ago. Draymond threw 2 punches, 1 at Lebron's nuts the other at his back. Even if you do not make contact, which he did. If you attempt a punch in the NBA, you are suspended. Do you even know the fukking game? Do you need me to post the rule? Stop being a dumb fukk. Dahntay Jones of the Cav's was suspended 1 game in the Toronto series for doing the exact same thing. He threw a punch at Bismack Biyombo's nuts. Draymond had already accumulated points for his flagrant fouls in that playoffs. If you look at the letter of the law, he should have been suspended 2 games you dumb mutt.

And then you look even more stupid by saying the series changed. Of course it changed. The Cav's figured your bandwagon team out and beat them 3 straight games. GSW lost 3 straight games and you are blaming Draymond for being a dumbass like you? What about game 6 and game 7? Where was Draymond? On the fukking court losing.

6/12/16
The NBA suspended Draymond Green (GS) for 1 game for collecting his 4th
flagrant foul point of the playoffs, an automatic suspension for
collecting 4 points. The league assessed Green the flagrant (level 1) on
reviewing Friday's GS-Cle game for an incident with LeBron James (Cle).
James was assessed a technical foul for stepping over Green which
resulted in Green's reaction.

[stevenash]

Love overrated
love blows

Terrible defender, GSW forwards Durant and Green will eat him up.

[stevenash]

Cavs have an edge by having the best player in their team and best bench.
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Mike Trout is the best player in the league in baseball.
Does that make them the Angels the best team?

You logic is flawed.

Not sure if Cleveland has the better bench.
Livingston is an extremely smart PG that rarely makes mistakes.

[Skrilla777]

Too many Cavs fans sound like LeBron groupies.

[Skrilla777]

Livingston is a FACTOR . Underrated also

[lakerboy]

Livingston is a FACTOR . Underrated also

He was a factor in games 1/2 last year then disappeared

[Mac4Lyfe]

Mike Trout is the best player in the league in baseball.
Does that make them the Angels the best team?
You logic is flawed.
Not sure if Cleveland has the better bench.
Livingston is an extremely smart PG that rarely makes mistakes.

Nasher - Are you serious? Are you really trying to compare basketball where Lebron will hold the ball 80% of the time for his team versus Trout who may catch a ball maybe 5 or 6 times and at bat 4 or 5 times a game? Basketball players can control the outcome of a game much more than most baseball players with the exception of the pitcher.

Cleveland plays more guys from the bench which helps with depth but a bunch of their bench can really be MIA at times. Lue will go 9 deep most games but can really go 11 deep if needed. GS usually only goes 7 sometimes 8 deep at times. Mike Brown is going 9 deep which is a lot different than Kerr. Brown seems to trust his guys a lot more than Kerr did. That can really help GS in a long series. I really don't see much of an advantage to either bench in this series.

[goduke]

Wouldn't be surprised if it's a sweep but I could see an accidental win for one game by the cavs

[Mac4Lyfe]

Wouldn't be surprised if it's a sweep but I could see an accidental win for one game by the cavs

The media has really brain washed a lot of people... Fake ass news.

[Git Lo]

Not sure why people are putting some an emphasis on previous seasons about who was injured/suspended or whatever. No one even talked about GS a few years ago but now, most wins in a NBA regular season, 3 point shot contest winners, defensive player of the year, mvp winners, swept Spurs in WCF, first team to go to the finals 12-0 in nba history and countless other ridiculous individual and team achievements. GS to win the chip is literally the penetrating play

[goduke]

The media has really brain washed a lot of people... Fake ass news.

I guess we will just have to see homer

[champlain]

[QUOTE=Mac4Lyfe;26990169]The media has really brain washed a lot of people... Fake ass news.[/QUOTE

i hear ya. I' m not even a cavs fan but these gsw backers are really in love with that team.

Here are the reason why cavs are the play:

people thinks cavs defense sucks, yet they only allow 5.5 points per 100 possessions more than gsw in playoffs. Cavs offense is 5 points better offensively than gsw per 100 poss.
So, for all the superiority of gsw, they are only 0.5 points better than cavs in these playoffs.

Gsw backers really like the spurs sweep. When kawhi was playing, they had a 23 point lead when he left. But, gsw fans are convinced that they would have comeback if Kawhi wasn't injured. So, it's impressive in name only. The spurs starting perimeter is mills, green and Simmon basically for 7/8 of that series.

george hill, the point guard for jazz, averaged 15 pts per game on 47% shooting. He played in only one game in that series.

i'm not saying the cavs beat better teams but if you are trying to convince me that the spurs without Kawhi, jazz without George Hill is that much better than raptors and celtics then you got me.

Cavs played teams who had injured players as well, Lowry and Thomas. But, when they played, they were smoking those teams. Lowry was there for the first 2 games. Thomas was part of 50 points blowout at home.

[stevenash]

[QUOTE=champlain;26990292][QUOTE=Mac4Lyfe;26990169]The media has really brain washed a lot of people... Fake ass news.[/QUOTE

i hear ya. I' m not even a cavs fan but these gsw backers are really in love with that team.

Here are the reason why cavs are the play:

people thinks cavs defense sucks, yet they only allow 5.5 points per 100 possessions more than gsw in playoffs. Cavs offense is 5 points better offensively than gsw per 100 poss.
So, for all the superiority of gsw, they are only 0.5 points better than cavs in these playoffs.

[stevenash]

[QUOTE=stevenash;26990317][QUOTE=champlain;26990292]

The media has really brain washed a lot of people... Fake ass news.[/QUOTE

i hear ya. I' m not even a cavs fan but these gsw backers are really in love with that team.

Here are the reason why cavs are the play:

people thinks cavs defense sucks, yet they only allow 5.5 points per 100 possessions more than gsw in playoffs. Cavs offense is 5 points better offensively than gsw per 100 poss.
So, for all the superiority of gsw, they are only 0.5 points better than cavs in these playoffs.

You are talking only playoffs, factor in the teams Cleveland defeated in the playoffs and then factor in the teams GS has beat in the playoffs.

Who has had the tougher schedule?

GS has the better team, now the better team doesn't always win a seven game series, but to argue Cleveland has the better team is ludicrous considering they have the advantage at Small Forward (James) and that is all.

I see you're using Hollinger's numbers, if you are according to Hollinger Durant has the 2nd highest PER in the game. Westebrook being the highest.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

[Git Lo]

^the historically great Spurs got swept in the WCF to also go along with the first swept to finals in NBA history in the historically better conference. Jazz, Blazers, Spurs not one win IN THE PLAYOFFS. Repeat after me
steph curry
klay thompson
kevin durant
draymond green

[champlain]

[QUOTE=stevenash;26990320][QUOTE=stevenash;26990317]

You are talking only playoffs, factor in the teams Cleveland defeated in the playoffs and then factor in the teams GS has beat in the playoffs.

Who has had the tougher schedule?

GS has the better team, now the better team doesn't always win a seven game series, but to argue Cleveland has the better team is ludicrous considering they have the advantage at Small Forward (James) and that is all.

I see you're using Hollinger's numbers, if you are according to Hollinger Durant has the 2nd highest PER in the game. Westebrook being the highest.

http://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

I knew you gsw backers will always brush off the Kawhi injury like it never existed.

[sk0002]

Hey Dumbass... Draymond suspended himself. He piled up too many flagrant points in the playoffs which is an automatic suspension. Plus, If you throw a punch in the NBA, YOU basically WILL BE AUTOMATICALLY SUSPENDED. IF YOU LEAVE THE BENCH DURING AN ALTERCATION YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY SUSPENDED FOR AT LEAST ONE GAME as well. This shit is not up for debate, precedent has already been set in the NBA years ago. Draymond threw 2 punches, 1 at Lebron's nuts the other at his back. Even if you do not make contact, which he did. If you attempt a punch in the NBA, you are suspended. Do you even know the fukking game? Do you need me to post the rule? Stop being a dumb fukk. Dahntay Jones of the Cav's was suspended 1 game in the Toronto series for doing the exact same thing. He threw a punch at Bismack Biyombo's nuts. Draymond had already accumulated points for his flagrant fouls in that playoffs. If you look at the letter of the law, he should have been suspended 2 games you dumb mutt.

And then you look even more stupid by saying the series changed. Of course it changed. The Cav's figured your bandwagon team out and beat them 3 straight games. GSW lost 3 straight games and you are blaming Draymond for being a dumbass like you? What about game 6 and game 7? Where was Draymond? On the fukking court losing.

6/12/16
The NBA suspended Draymond Green (GS) for 1 game for collecting his 4th
flagrant foul point of the playoffs, an automatic suspension for
collecting 4 points. The league assessed Green the flagrant (level 1) on
reviewing Friday's GS-Cle game for an incident with LeBron James (Cle).
James was assessed a technical foul for stepping over Green which
resulted in Green's reaction.

You are too retarded to understand shit, draymond may have been suspended in regular season but this is god damn NBA finals, it's just not fair game if you win only because of a key player suspended, leshit just put an asterisk to his fraud title, begging for suspension. Also, are kidding me if you compare penetrating DAnthay jones to draymond green? Are you penetrating kidding me ??? Are you that retarded? Like seriously???? even arguing whether draymond should be suspended which he shouldn't be since this is god damn NBA finals, the results shouldn't be affected for a god damn suspension for such stupid shit, draymond should be fined big bucks, changing the outcome of the series by suspension is just retarded in my opinion no matter what the garbage rule says. If draymond wasn't suspended, warriors would have won the chip, its that simple. Dumb penetrate grow a brain, please.

NBA nick pick who to suspend depending on the situation whether they could generate more revenue to their advantage, draymond took the bait by leshit, and NBA took full advantage of it to Suspend and prolong the series which they successfully did. Only a retard like you think cavs still win if draymond wasn't suspended.