[POOLSIDE]

Also, better career? Kobe won five in Los Angeles, one of the handful of globally important cities on the planet. Duncan won five in San Antonio lolz. It's not the same.

[Seto]

Also, better career? Kobe won five in Los Angeles, one of the handful of globally important cities on the planet. Duncan won five in San Antonio lolz. It's not the same.

How is that relevant in any way?

So if Kevin Durant wins a ring in Oklahoma City alongside Westbrook, it would be more impressive than if, say, he came to the Knicks and single-handedly revitalized the franchise and won, just because OKC is a shithole and New York is one of the most important cities in the world?

[Gonz312]

Couple thoughts on this thread...someone mentioned Kobes injuries and how Duncan never had to deal with them...um Duncan has had one good knee since around 2000, and no good knees since 2005ish. I dont think anyone watched basketball pre 2005 if you think Duncan never took over a game like Kobe took over games....1999 finals, 21,22 years old? And he straight up DOMINATED in those playoffs and that finals, go back and watch the tape...nobody could stop him. Many people dont remember pre knee surgery Timmy since the majority of his career has been on bad knees and he was still able to be great and win 2 mvps after the fact. Albeit easier to do as a big man than an explosive perimeter player like Kobe. Not to mention the number of times Timmy has come back from the dead...he looked done in 2008 or 09 when they got beat by the suns im the first round. Never seen him look so bad on the court as he did that year.

All in all, its hard to compare a sg to a pf on a player level. Careers were both filled with greatness and they will both go down as two of the greatest ever.

[Ted Sheckler]

Also, better career? Kobe won five in Los Angeles, one of the handful of globally important cities on the planet. Duncan won five in San Antonio lolz. It's not the same.

lolz
Did you just say Kobe in a landslide and then 20 minutes later say Kobe only won because he plays in a city where everyone wants to play (Shaq/Gasol)

[Seto]

Couple thoughts on this thread...someone mentioned Kobes injuries and how Duncan never had to deal with them...um Duncan has had one good knee since around 2000, and no good knees since 2005ish. I dont think anyone watched basketball pre 2005 if you think Duncan never took over a game like Kobe took over games....1999 finals, 21,22 years old? And he straight up DOMINATED in those playoffs and that finals, go back and watch the tape...nobody could stop him. Many people dont remember pre knee surgery Timmy since the majority of his career has been on bad knees and he was still able to be great and win 2 mvps after the fact. Albeit easier to do as a big man than an explosive perimeter player like Kobe. Not to mention the number of times Timmy has come back from the dead...he looked done in 2008 or 09 when they got beat by the suns im the first round. Never seen him look so bad on the court as he did that year.

All in all, its hard to compare a sg to a pf on a player level. Careers were both filled with greatness and they will both go down as two of the greatest ever.

He looked absolutely dreadful against OKC in 2012 in the last 3-4 games of that series too. And then came back, won a ring in 2014 and had an amazing year lindividually in 2015. Crazy.

[Ted Sheckler]

How is that relevant in any way?

So if Kevin Durant wins a ring in Oklahoma City alongside Westbrook, it would be more impressive than if, say, he came to the Knicks and single-handedly revitalized the franchise and won, just because OKC is a shithole and New York is one of the most important cities in the world?

It makes complete sense, he just doesn't realize that it makes the opposite point of what he was going for.

[High3rEl3m3nt]

Not to throw this thread off, but Shaq in his prime was the most physically dominant NBA player that I have seen in my lifetime. He brutalized guys. Loved to hate him back in the day.

[Seto]

It makes complete sense, he just doesn't realize that it makes the opposite point of what he was going for.

How does it make sense?

It makes it less or more impressive to win a ring in any given year to look at the teammates of the star player, not the fukking city they play for.

OKC is boatloads over the cap since they decided to match that Kanter offer sheet, have so much talent they can't even find enough (or any) minutes for guys who would be rotation players on most other playoff teams... Yet it would be impressive to win in Oklahoma City just because it's Oklahoma City?

May be one of the dumbest things I've heard on this board and that's saying something.

[Gonz312]

Kobe in a landslide. Duncan is amaaaaazing, but Kobe is something else. Duncan can't do a thing if someone doesn't get him the basketball. Down two with three seconds left, Duncan was never the first option. Down three with three seconds left, Spurs might be better off with Duncan on the bench.

What does getting the ball with three seconds left have to do with anything? He was still the first option time and time again in 4th quarters for the first 10 or so years of his career. One of the reasons why spurs were so boring was their 4th qtr strategy was get duncan the ball on the block and let him go to work time and time again.

[gauchojake]

Which color is better blue or red? Gogogogogogogogo

[Ted Sheckler]

How does it make sense?

It makes it less or more impressive to win a ring in any given year to look at the teammates of the star player, not the fukking city they play for.

OKC is boatloads over the cap since they decided to match that Kanter offer sheet, have so much talent they can't even find enough (or any) minutes for guys who would be rotation players on most other playoff teams... Yet it would be impressive to win in Oklahoma City just because it's Oklahoma City?

May be one of the dumbest things I've heard on this board and that's saying something.

Wow.

[Goat Milk]

Do you guys think that if Duncan announced his retirement he would get this type of reception from every away crowd?

There is a 0 percent chance.

That tells you everything you need to know about who is a better player.

Tony Parker himself said "kobe was our jordan."

Every player in the league knew that Kobe was the best player in the world for almost a decade. No one would ever mention Duncan as the best. Top 5 or 10 in the league yeah, never the best.

Kobe was a better defender than Duncan too in his prime. He has the most all defensive first teams for a reason.

Duncan could never score 30 points a night consistently.

People today are drooling all over what Curry is doing on a nightly basis.

Bryant used to drop 55, 50, 52, 53....in 4 CONSECUTIVE GAMES.....while getting TRIPLE TEAMED.....how quickly we forget...please bro. Kobe was impossible, impossible to guard 1 on 1. No one could guard Bryant in his prime. He took the worst starting lineup in NBA history to the playoffs and nearly upset the 2 seed. He scored 62 points after 3 quarters against the team that went on to win the West that year. Did you see the cast he had on his team??? Joke.

Not to mention Duncan has had an amazing team his entire career. Look at who Duncan is playing with. Hall of famers everywhere. Literally. The only good player Kobe had post Shaq was Gasol. And Gasol never even sniffed a playoff win his entire career before he joined Bryant. Not 1 playoff win....

Tim Duncan's numbers...including playoff numbers...are a joke next to Bryant's.

Listen, Duncan is an all time great. Top 10 easily. Best PF ever. To compare Tim Duncan's level of skill and ability to Kobe Bryant is simply absurd.

Kobe Bryant could do so many things better than Duncan, while Duncan can only do a few things better than Bryant. Jordan himself knows Bryant is the 2nd best ever. Even Magic said Bryant is the greatest laker ever.

Just look at them now. You think Kobe Bryant would ever average 10 points a game?????

Duncan is just a role player playing with a bunch of studs around him.

Bryant is 37 and still the best player on his team by far. Bryant just dropped 40 the other night.

Are you kidding?

Duncan couldn't even drop 40 when he was 32 years old let alone 38 39..... that tells you everything you need to know about the difference between Bryant and Duncan.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Actually playing in a smaller market and winning titles much more impressive. The networks and league will always push harder and give those teams in big markets edges see Lakers/Kings series. Also much easier to get big stars to play in L.A. or NY and more $$ to spend than places like Minny, San Antone, Portland etc.

[jjgold]

Tough call

Duncan had much more impact on titles

[Ratzz]

Kobe Bryant could do so many things better than Duncan, while Duncan can only do a few things better than Bryant. Jordan himself knows Bryant is the 2nd best ever. Even Magic said Bryant is the greatest laker ever.

Just look at them now. You think Kobe Bryant would ever average 10 points a game?????

Duncan is just a role player playing with a bunch of studs around him.

Bryant is 37 and still the best player on his team by far. Bryant just dropped 40 the other night.

Are you kidding?

Duncan couldn't even drop 40 when he was 32 years old let alone 38 39..... that tells you everything you need to know about the difference between Bryant and Duncan.

ESPN: KOBE is 12th BEST

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/...-nbarank-11-15

by the way.. Jordan may like to think that, because Kobe is his Mini-Me

[POOLSIDE]

Do you guys think that if Duncan announced his retirement he would get this type of reception from every away crowd?

There is a 0 percent chance.

That tells you everything you need to know about who is a better player.

Tony Parker himself said "kobe was our jordan."

Every player in the league knew that Kobe was the best player in the world for almost a decade. No one would ever mention Duncan as the best. Top 5 or 10 in the league yeah, never the best.

Kobe was a better defender than Duncan too in his prime. He has the most all defensive first teams for a reason.

Duncan could never score 30 points a night consistently.

People today are drooling all over what Curry is doing on a nightly basis.

Bryant used to drop 55, 50, 52, 53....in 4 CONSECUTIVE GAMES.....while getting TRIPLE TEAMED.....how quickly we forget...please bro. Kobe was impossible, impossible to guard 1 on 1. No one could guard Bryant in his prime. He took the worst starting lineup in NBA history to the playoffs and nearly upset the 2 seed. He scored 62 points after 3 quarters against the team that went on to win the West that year. Did you see the cast he had on his team??? Joke.

Not to mention Duncan has had an amazing team his entire career. Look at who Duncan is playing with. Hall of famers everywhere. Literally. The only good player Kobe had post Shaq was Gasol. And Gasol never even sniffed a playoff win his entire career before he joined Bryant. Not 1 playoff win....

Tim Duncan's numbers...including playoff numbers...are a joke next to Bryant's.

Listen, Duncan is an all time great. Top 10 easily. Best PF ever. To compare Tim Duncan's level of skill and ability to Kobe Bryant is simply absurd.

Kobe Bryant could do so many things better than Duncan, while Duncan can only do a few things better than Bryant. Jordan himself knows Bryant is the 2nd best ever. Even Magic said Bryant is the greatest laker ever.

Just look at them now. You think Kobe Bryant would ever average 10 points a game?????

Duncan is just a role player playing with a bunch of studs around him.

Bryant is 37 and still the best player on his team by far. Bryant just dropped 40 the other night.

Are you kidding?

Duncan couldn't even drop 40 when he was 32 years old let alone 38 39..... that tells you everything you need to know about the difference between Bryant and Duncan.

Aren't you a Detroit dude? Go ahead and remind everyone the only reason we didn't get swept by you guys in the finals. Kobe was the only Laker who showed up once they hit uncharted territory.

Goat Milk gets it. You guys trying to make a case against Kobe Bryant do not. At all. This isn't an opinion poll. We're talking about tangible, quantifiable skills. Kobe saw every move that Duncan has and decided to master them, along with all the great moves that every hall of fame offensive player had.

The best part about this though? The one thing that none of you can ever argue, no matter how delusional you are? Kobe Bryant practiced harder and more frequently than anyone else ever. So just know that whoever your favorite player is, he would have been a lot better if he had Kobe's work ethic and dedication.

[POOLSIDE]

How is that relevant in any way?

So if Kevin Durant wins a ring in Oklahoma City alongside Westbrook, it would be more impressive than if, say, he came to the Knicks and single-handedly revitalized the franchise and won, just because OKC is a shithole and New York is one of the most important cities in the world?

Are you kidding? No, this is literally the exact opposite of what I said.

There is something to be said about performing in cities like Los Angeles or New York or even Boston. Only a handful of guys possess the calmness under pressure and the mental capacity to do it. We've seen it in every major sport. All stars get picked up in free agency and land with the Yankees, unable to produce. Get traded to Arizona or wherever, numbers jump back up. Dwight Howard is a good example.

Duncan doesn't have the mentality for this. Hell, he couldn't even make a season saving unguarded layup in the finals two years ago and that game was only in Miami. Guy would crumple in a major market.

[POOLSIDE]

Agreed. Kobe wasn't going to win any rings without Shaq/Gasol.

This is stupid. Gasol hasn't won a meaningful game without Kobe running the show. Not before, not after. Kobe taught him how to win. Besides, this is one of the dumbest arguments in any sport. You cannot win a championship single handedly. It's not a thing.

This is like saying, oh yeah but Michael Jordan didn't win a championship without Scottie Pippen so he's not really that good. This accomplishes nothing except showing off your low iq.

[gauchojake]

Blue is better

[mikewlgm]

tim duncan never had the refs hand him games with fouls like the refs did to the lakers all the damn time.

Lakers v Kings

Lakers v Portland

Everyone knows those series were poorly officiated at best but more likely rigged by David Stern

[mikewlgm]

Are you kidding? No, this is literally the exact opposite of what I said.

There is something to be said about performing in cities like Los Angeles or New York or even Boston. Only a handful of guys possess the calmness under pressure and the mental capacity to do it. We've seen it in every major sport. All stars get picked up in free agency and land with the Yankees, unable to produce. Get traded to Arizona or wherever, numbers jump back up. Dwight Howard is a good example.

Duncan doesn't have the mentality for this. Hell, he couldn't even make a season saving unguarded layup in the finals two years ago and that game was only in Miami. Guy would crumple in a major market.

dumbest comment ever? No one in LA gives a shit...they show up late and leave early....performing under to pressure to what? a half empty arena? Duncan would thrive anyplace he's a top ten player all time. Don't be a laker stooge.

[gauchojake]

Where is MENSES? He'll clear this all up

[Jeffie]

dumbest comment ever? No one in LA gives a shit...they show up late and leave early....performing under to pressure to what? a half empty arena? Duncan would thrive anyplace he's a top ten player all time. Don't be a laker stooge.

Dang you must really hate Kobe. Empty arena? lmao they sell out even with this shit squad this year.

[mikewlgm]

Dang you must really hate Kobe. Empty arena? lmao they sell out even with this shit squad this year.

Selling out an arena is not the same as the arena being full.

NFL teams have friendly local corps by seats all the time so they don't get blacked out

Below is an article; you read it and can learn information....try it out

http://www.collegefootball.ap.org/ar...wd-empty-seats

[gauchojake]

Mike did you ever go to a Laker game when they were contending for a title? If so which one?

[mikewlgm]

Mike did you ever go to a Laker game when they were contending for a title? If so which one?

That is irrelevant; every team supports their city if they are winning titles

I'm sure The spurs play in front of just as many fans.

The idea that a superstar is better because he can play well in front of drunk people from LA instead of drunk people from Portland or New Orleans is absurd.

[packerd_00]

Hard to say,father time has caught up to Bryant quicker that's for certain.

[packerd_00]

Do you guys think that if Duncan announced his retirement he would get this type of reception from every away crowd?

There is a 0 percent chance.

That tells you everything you need to know about who is a better player.

Tony Parker himself said "kobe was our jordan."

Every player in the league knew that Kobe was the best player in the world for almost a decade. No one would ever mention Duncan as the best. Top 5 or 10 in the league yeah, never the best.

Kobe was a better defender than Duncan too in his prime. He has the most all defensive first teams for a reason.

Duncan could never score 30 points a night consistently.

People today are drooling all over what Curry is doing on a nightly basis.

Bryant used to drop 55, 50, 52, 53....in 4 CONSECUTIVE GAMES.....while getting TRIPLE TEAMED.....how quickly we forget...please bro. Kobe was impossible, impossible to guard 1 on 1. No one could guard Bryant in his prime. He took the worst starting lineup in NBA history to the playoffs and nearly upset the 2 seed. He scored 62 points after 3 quarters against the team that went on to win the West that year. Did you see the cast he had on his team??? Joke.

Not to mention Duncan has had an amazing team his entire career. Look at who Duncan is playing with. Hall of famers everywhere. Literally. The only good player Kobe had post Shaq was Gasol. And Gasol never even sniffed a playoff win his entire career before he joined Bryant. Not 1 playoff win....

Tim Duncan's numbers...including playoff numbers...are a joke next to Bryant's.

Listen, Duncan is an all time great. Top 10 easily. Best PF ever. To compare Tim Duncan's level of skill and ability to Kobe Bryant is simply absurd.

Kobe Bryant could do so many things better than Duncan, while Duncan can only do a few things better than Bryant. Jordan himself knows Bryant is the 2nd best ever. Even Magic said Bryant is the greatest laker ever.

Just look at them now. You think Kobe Bryant would ever average 10 points a game?????

Duncan is just a role player playing with a bunch of studs around him.

Bryant is 37 and still the best player on his team by far. Bryant just dropped 40 the other night.

Are you kidding?

Duncan couldn't even drop 40 when he was 32 years old let alone 38 39..... that tells you everything you need to know about the difference between Bryant and Duncan.

That's not do to being more talented,its got a lot more to do with how both guys are on a personal level,Bryants the loud flamboyant player coming from one of the biggest markets in the world,while you got Duncan who is quite and soft spoken playing in a very much small market.

[opie1988]

Blue is better

Herees

[gauchojake]

dumbest comment ever? No one in LA gives a shit...they show up late and leave early....performing under to pressure to what? a half empty arena? Duncan would thrive anyplace he's a top ten player all time. Don't be a laker stooge.

That is irrelevant; every team supports their city if they are winning titles

I'm sure The spurs play in front of just as many fans.

The idea that a superstar is better because he can play well in front of drunk people from LA instead of drunk people from Portland or New Orleans is absurd.

You made a the comment above and I asked if you had a personal experience that could justify your assertion. It's relevant to that.

Anyways the entire thread is dedicated to a joke topic. The careers of these two guys are about as similar as you can get. It comes down to personal preference and some slight nuances that we could argue about all day.

[gauchojake]

Herees

[mikewlgm]

The careers of these two guys are about as similar as you can get. It comes down to personal preference and some slight nuances that we could argue about all day.

good call

[titanium777]

Overall Kobe will probably be remembered more (in a legacy kind of way). He was a shooter and created more buzz. Duncan also sometimes gets blended in with the "big 3", and Parker often shares some of Duncan's glory.

[POOLSIDE]

Selling out an arena is not the same as the arena being full.

NFL teams have friendly local corps by seats all the time so they don't get blacked out

Below is an article; you read it and can learn information....try it out

http://www.collegefootball.ap.org/ar...wd-empty-seats

An empty staples center lololol. What flyover state are you from? This sounds like geographic Napoleon complex. I lived a few blocks away from the stadium for many years and I've been to a trillion Kobe era Lakers games. They were packed every time.

Florida State vs Houston at the peach bowl? Great article. Same thing as Kobe in Los Angeles. Very relevant.

[Goat Milk]

You made a the comment above and I asked if you had a personal experience that could justify your assertion. It's relevant to that.

Anyways the entire thread is dedicated to a joke topic. The careers of these two guys are about as similar as you can get. It comes down to personal preference and some slight nuances that we could argue about all day.

The question was who is/was a better player. That is not even up for discussion if you actually watched basketball closely after the 2000s. There is no way that Tim Duncan could single handedly dominate games like Kobe Bryant. Bryant had no weaknesses in his prime.....none.