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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoWays View Post
    As dirty a player as there is. He's mastered the technic of diving for loose balls directly into the opponents knees. Guy should be warned then banned from court., cause u know other players will take justice into their own hands
    He will not do it anymore

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    Ya'll are listening to Reggie Motherfukker Miller too much. That lil bitch hates Cleveland and will always be one sided in his broadcast. Are you watching the actual game? Or just waiting for his commentary??? Pay fukking attention...

    Gibson sets an illegal screen not once but twice. Both screens he used his elbows high, hitting Delly in the face. Gibson also grabbed Delly on the first screen and swung him around. The paid off refs let Chicago bully Cleveland all game without making a call. The refs let this shit get out of hand. Then on the shot, Delly is boxing Gibson out, so what does that bitch do? He pushes him and hits him in the back of the head not once but twice. HE ELBOWS DELLY IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD CAUSING DELLY TO FALL. Gibson then falls on top of him, knees him on the lower leg then kicks him on the way up.

    What do you expect Delly to do? Just take Gibson's bullshit? He's laying on the ground and Gibson drives his knee into his leg? Delly's the bad guy because he grabbed Gibson's leg? Stop it...




    Quote Originally Posted by eidolon View Post
    I have to disagree with the Gibson one. The other two he was just hustling and playing hard, but the Gibson one he clearly closed his legs on Gibson.

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    Why would miller hate cleveland? He is a former player stating what is wrong. Deli is going to get his ass kicked.

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    You know the fukked up thing about the Gibson play??? He never got whistled for a foul. He grabbed, pushed, elbowed Delly in the neck, pushed him to the ground and he was never called for a foul.

    Boston, Chicago and now Atlanta were all offensively challenged. The only way they could compete with the Cavs is by mucking the game up, turning it into a rugby scrum. Mutherfukkers playing rough but then start crying like a bitch when Cleveland retaliates. Don't start no shit, won't be no shit. Love is out for 8 months because of a dirty motherfukker pulling his arm out of the socket. Do you see Cleveland bitching about that bastard? Kyrie is hobbled because Rose went at his knee when he was going for a rebound. Do you see Kyrie bitching? Lebron has been getting killed in each series. Guys like Antic, Carroll and Milsap are pushing him 5 feet out of bounds when he goes up in the air. Cleveland sends a big Fukk You to all the haters.
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    Mac settle down. Love injury saved the cavs from an exit vs the bulls. You drinking now? Cavs are about to get embarrassed in the final.

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    The deli tray is not a dirty player...he has to play hard or he would be stirring paint at the new zealand home depot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STAX View Post
    ...will piss you off. Dellavedova got the best of Chicago and now Atlanta. Those scrappy white kids will get under your skin... haven't see a single dirty play from this kid, just hard play and balls out effort. Those big-timers don't like it. This kid is making a difference for Cleveland... can't wait to see him piss off Draymond Green and get him tossed too.

    Deli-trey getting it done
    that ain't going to happen NOBODY can mess with D. Green. Matthew will not be a factor for Cavs. coz' kyrie will definitely play in NBA finals if they advance. (most likely will advance) plus Matthew is like A. Bogut's lil nephew they're both Aussie

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    Great posts Mac4lyfe... shut those haters up right!!

    Love it when you got idiots spewing bullshit and they get shut the fukk up with hard proof!

    Seriously, if you guys are that easily persuaded by the commenators and media, you should never place a bet in your life because you got zero chance to be a winner

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    Horford slams Delly to the ground then gives him a flying elbow and no one is questioning Horford's dirty ass play. If Horford would have hit Delly square on the face with that elbow, the game would have been delayed with Delly's blood spilled all over the floor. Horford is talking about brotherhood? He's the guy that came down on Delly's head and neck. That was a straight up bitch move. You're going to drop down with a dirty elbow? What the fukk does Horford missing Delly's face have to do with anything??? That's like someone shooting a gun in a mall and folks defending him because he missed???

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    Yet Dellavedova was pretty much the least most efficient player in the NBA this season.
    410th out of the 492 players that played this season.

    He's just not very productive.
    He's the Brian Doyle of this years playoffs

    As per John Hollinger


    Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - All Players
    RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
    401 Nazr Mohammed, CHI 23 5.6 .431 7.3 16.9 12.4 9.6 22.3 16.1 8.77 -3.5 -0.1
    402 Elliot Williams, NO/UTAH 13 9.2 .477 21.9 7.3 14.7 0.0 7.7 3.8 8.75 0.0 0.0
    403 Jerami Grant, PHI 65 21.2 .470 13.1 14.1 15.6 3.7 12.3 7.8 8.72 -36.6 -1.2
    404 Allen Crabbe, POR 51 13.4 .525 18.2 7.0 11.0 1.1 10.1 5.7 8.70 -18.4 -0.6
    405 Danny Granger, MIA 30 20.4 .527 7.8 10.9 14.0 4.0 11.5 7.8 8.66 -16.9 -0.6
    406 Steve Novak, OKC/UTAH 35 5.6 .554 15.1 6.9 11.0 1.1 11.2 6.2 8.63 -5.5 -0.2
    407 C.J. Wilcox, LAC 21 4.8 .527 14.1 17.6 20.3 1.1 6.6 3.9 8.60 -2.9 -0.1
    408 Ryan Kelly, LAL 52 23.7 .473 19.2 7.7 13.6 1.1 12.4 6.5 8.59 -53.5 -1.8
    Travis Wear, NY 51 13.2 .451 13.5 11.8 16.4 5.2 13.3 9.1 8.59 -19.2 -0.6
    410 Matthew Dellavedova, CLE 67 20.6 .493 34.7 10.4 13.3 3.1 7.3 5.2 8.56 -40.0 -1.3


    The player efficiency rating (PER) is a rating of a player's per-minute productivity.

    To generate PER, I created formulas -- outlined in tortuous detail in my book "Pro Basketball Forecast" -- that return a value for each of a player's accomplishments. That includes positive accomplishments such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

    Two important things to remember about PER are that it's per-minute and is pace-adjusted.

    Because it's a per-minute measure, it allows us to compare, say, Steve Blake and Derek Fisher, even though there is a disparity in their minutes played.

    I also adjust each player's rating for his team's pace, so that players on a slow-paced team like Detroit aren't penalized just because their team has fewer possessions than a fast-paced team such as Golden State.

    Bear in mind that PER is not the final, once-and-for-all evaluation of a player's accomplishments during the season. This is especially true for defensive specialists -- such as Quinton Ross and Jason Collins -- who don't get many blocks or steals.
    What PER can do, however, is summarize a player's statistical accomplishments in a single number. That allows us to unify the disparate data on each player we try to track in our heads (e.g., Corey Maggette: free-throw machine, good rebounder, decent shooter, poor passer, etc.) so that we can move on to evaluating what might be missing from the stats.

    I set the league average in PER to 15.00 every season.

    Among players with at least 500 minutes in 2010-11, the highest rating was LeBron James' 27.34. The lowest was Stephen Graham's 4.41.

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    Here we go with the analytics bullshit. How many of those guys on that list are playing in the Eastern Conference Finals and getting interviewed on national news?

    Delly's stats have gone up tremendously now that he's in the starting lineup. You can't compare what he was doing in October to his play today. The kid has really stepped up his game against top competition. He's shut down Rose now Teague... The kid is a beast.

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenash View Post
    Yet Dellavedova was pretty much the least most efficient player in the NBA this season.
    410th out of the 492 players that played this season.

    He's just not very productive.
    He's the Brian Doyle of this years playoffs

    As per John Hollinger


    Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - All Players
    RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
    401 Nazr Mohammed, CHI 23 5.6 .431 7.3 16.9 12.4 9.6 22.3 16.1 8.77 -3.5 -0.1
    402 Elliot Williams, NO/UTAH 13 9.2 .477 21.9 7.3 14.7 0.0 7.7 3.8 8.75 0.0 0.0
    403 Jerami Grant, PHI 65 21.2 .470 13.1 14.1 15.6 3.7 12.3 7.8 8.72 -36.6 -1.2
    404 Allen Crabbe, POR 51 13.4 .525 18.2 7.0 11.0 1.1 10.1 5.7 8.70 -18.4 -0.6
    405 Danny Granger, MIA 30 20.4 .527 7.8 10.9 14.0 4.0 11.5 7.8 8.66 -16.9 -0.6
    406 Steve Novak, OKC/UTAH 35 5.6 .554 15.1 6.9 11.0 1.1 11.2 6.2 8.63 -5.5 -0.2
    407 C.J. Wilcox, LAC 21 4.8 .527 14.1 17.6 20.3 1.1 6.6 3.9 8.60 -2.9 -0.1
    408 Ryan Kelly, LAL 52 23.7 .473 19.2 7.7 13.6 1.1 12.4 6.5 8.59 -53.5 -1.8
    Travis Wear, NY 51 13.2 .451 13.5 11.8 16.4 5.2 13.3 9.1 8.59 -19.2 -0.6
    410 Matthew Dellavedova, CLE 67 20.6 .493 34.7 10.4 13.3 3.1 7.3 5.2 8.56 -40.0 -1.3
    The player efficiency rating (PER) is a rating of a player's per-minute productivity.

    To generate PER, I created formulas -- outlined in tortuous detail in my book "Pro Basketball Forecast" -- that return a value for each of a player's accomplishments. That includes positive accomplishments such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

    Two important things to remember about PER are that it's per-minute and is pace-adjusted.

    Because it's a per-minute measure, it allows us to compare, say, Steve Blake and Derek Fisher, even though there is a disparity in their minutes played.

    I also adjust each player's rating for his team's pace, so that players on a slow-paced team like Detroit aren't penalized just because their team has fewer possessions than a fast-paced team such as Golden State.

    Bear in mind that PER is not the final, once-and-for-all evaluation of a player's accomplishments during the season. This is especially true for defensive specialists -- such as Quinton Ross and Jason Collins -- who don't get many blocks or steals.
    What PER can do, however, is summarize a player's statistical accomplishments in a single number. That allows us to unify the disparate data on each player we try to track in our heads (e.g., Corey Maggette: free-throw machine, good rebounder, decent shooter, poor passer, etc.) so that we can move on to evaluating what might be missing from the stats.

    I set the league average in PER to 15.00 every season.

    Among players with at least 500 minutes in 2010-11, the highest rating was LeBron James' 27.34. The lowest was Stephen Graham's 4.41.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac4Lyfe View Post
    ...

    Gibson sets an illegal screen not once but twice. Both screens he used his elbows high, hitting Delly in the face. Gibson also grabbed Delly on the first screen and swung him around. The paid off refs let Chicago bully Cleveland all game without making a call. The refs let this shit get out of hand. Then on the shot, Delly is boxing Gibson out, so what does that bitch do? He pushes him and hits him in the back of the head not once but twice. HE ELBOWS DELLY IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD CAUSING DELLY TO FALL. Gibson then falls on top of him, knees him on the lower leg then kicks him on the way up.

    What do you expect Delly to do? Just take Gibson's bullshit? He's laying on the ground and Gibson drives his knee into his leg? Delly's the bad guy because he grabbed Gibson's leg? Stop it...

    I'm a Cleveland fan, and dont give 2 shits about the Bulls.

    But Gibson of course is pushing him, he is going for the rebound, that happens all the time when you are getting blocked out. Should he have gotten a foul on that, maybe.

    He did not elbow him in the head. Not even close. Look at 2:31 of the video, Gibson's elbows are not near the guys head. Gibson pushed him, and pushed him over.
    The knee? Gibson was falling, and his knee barely hit the guy.

    If you don't think Del leg locked him, you are blind.

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    believe it or not nash, sports isnt all statistics and rankings. if sports was all stats and ratings, why even play the game, lets just measure the stats vrs each team and come up with an outcome, dont even play it!! there are things that players do to help a team win that do not show up on the stat sheet. Does PER count in 50/50 loose ball recoveries? Does is take in to account fast breaks thwarted because of hustling back on defense? Does it take into account deflections? What about on the ball defense? or hockey assists? or fouls that prevented an easy bucket? Does it count in boxing a guy out so he doesnt get an O-rebound? Deli does ALL the little things needed for a team to win... not every stat shows up in a box score.

    but if you wanna talk stats, Deli was ranked 37 out of 101 in WAR for SG's... and 180 out of 474 overall. At least post all the stats and not just the ones that help your case.

    Cavs would not be in the spot they re right now without Deli... he gives us the luxury of resting Kyrie and getting him as close to full go as possible for the finals...
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    ^
    And I did say, like Doyle for the Yanks in the '78 World Series, little scrappy guy comes up big.

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    If were going off PER, Dirk Nowitzki in the last few min of 4th quarters in games 5 points or less is the greatest closer the NBA has ever seen and is not even close his % was way higher than anyone. Guy that did Jazz play by play cooked it up and mentioned it on a broadcast. Dellavadova was way good at Saint mary's people have no clue. He is a good NBA role player and has heart and with the experience he is getting right now is going to be one of the best backups PG's in the league which is no knock at all very good for who he is.

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    That kid is evil. The Tonya Harding of basketball

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoWays View Post
    That kid is evil. The Tonya Harding of basketball
    Who would be the Nancy Kerrigan then?

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