[Big Bear]

yes the NBA is very shady but not all NBA games are rigged some definitely are

[jose21_us]

Sounds shady as shit to me....

[Eddy Munny]

Both teams decided to score at will until one of them got to 100 points.

At that time, they had an agreement prior to the contest that they wouldn't score the rest of the game.

Totally rigged.

What exactly are you laughing at? He's obviously disagreeing with you, asshat.

[the_orangekat]

The biggest BS of this entire thread is the OP saying he didn't bet the game. Because we all start long threads and post screen caps for games we didn't bet on. Having NBA Season pass soooo made his 'I didn't bet on it' claim credible.

[TheLangster]

one could only wonder, if both teams were making every freaking shot they took, wtf happened in the last 3min?

law of averages

[Luckycharms2012]

I think it's rigged. The NBA's job is to put out an entertaining product, it's not like the Olympics. These guys get paid millions of dollars and only one team can win a championship, if you're on a shitty team what do you care about the outcome of every game? NBA, NFL = WWE ie predetermined outcomes.

[NardVa]

Show me one other game this year that there wasn't a score in the final 3 minutes.

10/31/14 Philly at Milwaukee. Philly ends the game going scoreless for 8 mins. Even though it's just one team going scoreless, unreal scoring droughts do happen.

[upscope]

I think it's rigged. The NBA's job is to put out an entertaining product, it's not like the Olympics. These guys get paid millions of dollars and only one team can win a championship, if you're on a shitty team what do you care about the outcome of every game? NBA, NFL = WWE ie predetermined outcomes.

You can not possibly be this naive?? Both of these teams involved actually have championship in mind.

[dontknowhowtobet]

What exactly are you laughing at? He's obviously disagreeing with you, asshat.

His cynicism was a good one.
You seem to be too concerned with the issues raised in this topic, are you working for Vegas or something? Do you happen to be an oddsmaker that you worry too much about it?

Russell Westbrook was the one "missing" all the shots in the last 3 minutes, and if you watch the replay you clearly see he faked all of it... just like WWE is fake. Same thing.

[Eddy Munny]

His cynicism was a good one.
You seem to be too concerned with the issues raised in this topic, are you working for Vegas or something? Do you happen to be an oddsmaker that you worry too much about it?

Russell Westbrook was the one "missing" all the shots in the last 3 minutes, and if you watch the replay you clearly see he faked all of it... just like WWE is fake. Same thing.

So post a clip of Russell Westbrook missing shots on purpose, just to keep the total at 200. If it's as obvious as you say it is, we should all have no problem seeing things from your point of view. Just present a wee bit of evidence, other than "something unusual happened, therefore league-wide conspiracy." I mean, I can post countless clips of WWE punches that are pulled, or flying elbows that don't connect. Just saying Westbrook missed some shots down the stretch proves nothing. He's always been a streaky scorer. I highly doubt he was bungling uncontested layups or jacking up airballs from the floor. These two teams are very good defensive squads... not mind boggling that they could buckle down and pitch a shutout for three minutes.

Am I an oddsmaker? No, I just prefer common sense to wild flights of fancy. I get tired of seeing these same old, tired threads pop up every time a game plays close to the spread/total. It takes a special kind of dummy to actually believe that players are laying down on a regular basis as a part of some script which determines outcomes of games, and ultimately, the season.

If you want to talk about how officials can influence games unethically, by uneven calls favoring a particular team or total, that's one thing... I won't necessarily object to that. But what I find downright stupid, is this assertion that Russell Westbrook (or any other player) is busting his ass for 45 minutes, but then agrees to go all "Washington Generals" the final three minutes, just so some shady Vegas syndicate can collect on the total.

What you're telling me is that (insert name of NBA player) works his ass of since childhood... blood, sweat, and tears.. days/nights spent refining his skills in the driveway and at the playground... finally making high school varsity, attending basketball camps in the summer, traveling with amateur leagues, getting letters from college, drawing interest from scouts... then the day arrives at long last... the day he's been building towards his entire life... He hears his name called at the NBA draft. It's a dream come true. But, oh, wait... he gets bad news... he's no longer an athlete, but an actor, no different than some Hollywood production. He is now asked to missed shots he knows he can make, or foul some guy he knows he can guard... just because the script calls for it.

You're out of your fvcking mind if you believe that. Do you really believe that these players with massive egos are willing to discard their own personal legacy because Billy Bob has a big bet on the under? Why do you see so much emotion on the court if the players already know the outcome? You can't convince me that they're all highly skilled dramatic actors. The unbridled emotion I see from players in the heat of the moment is authentic. You can't fake something like that, unless you're Robert DeNiro.

But I'm willing to let you present your case if you insist on this nonsense conspiracy of yours. Show me the footage of Westbrook intentionally missing shots. Let's have a look. Hell, post the entire final three minutes of the game if you're so certain it's the smoking gun.

[TheMoneyShot]

The only people that rigged games in nba are the refs not the players . It's only in some games that they have wayy too much influence , and just hope you picked the right side of the tale that game.

The Refs were in on it. Not one foul was called during the last 3 minutes of the game. Show me any box score this year that no fouls were called during the last 3 minutes of any NBA game.

You have like maybe a 0.2% chance.

Just give me one call!!!! One call to make it look like YOU WEREN'T IN ON IT. The missed layups, the shot clock violation, the none calls.... the entire sequence you have to question.

[new era]

Yeah... they chose that one game to screw you over. Definitely rigged!!!

[Eddy Munny]

MoneyShot, read the post above yours. Quit acting silly. A "missed layup" in the scoring summary does not mean he bricked a wide open look, as in a layup drill during warm-ups... He probably drove wildly, like Westbrook often does, and missed a contested shot in the paint. As for the non-fouls, was somebody hacked? If so, let's see it.

[frostno98]

Yes it is rigged. I thought I seen it all, and lost a ton of insane bets through the year in basketball. Including an under bet that needed 20 plus points under 1 minute to go over. This has to be the most bizarre thing I ever seen.

[upscope]

So post a clip of Russell Westbrook missing shots on purpose, just to keep the total at 200. If it's as obvious as you say it is, we should all have no problem seeing things from your point of view. Just present a wee bit of evidence, other than "something unusual happened, therefore league-wide conspiracy." I mean, I can post countless clips of WWE punches that are pulled, or flying elbows that don't connect. Just saying Westbrook missed some shots down the stretch proves nothing. He's always been a streaky scorer. I highly doubt he was bungling uncontested layups or jacking up airballs from the floor. These two teams are very good defensive squads... not mind boggling that they could buckle down and pitch a shutout for three minutes.

Am I an oddsmaker? No, I just prefer common sense to wild flights of fancy. I get tired of seeing these same old, tired threads pop up every time a game plays close to the spread/total. It takes a special kind of dummy to actually believe that players are laying down on a regular basis as a part of some script which determines outcomes of games, and ultimately, the season.

If you want to talk about how officials can influence games unethically, by uneven calls favoring a particular team or total, that's one thing... I won't necessarily object to that. But what I find downright stupid, is this assertion that Russell Westbrook (or any other player) is busting his ass for 45 minutes, but then agrees to go all "Washington Generals" the final three minutes, just so some shady Vegas syndicate can collect on the total.

What you're telling me is that (insert name of NBA player) works his ass of since childhood... blood, sweat, and tears.. days/nights spent refining his skills in the driveway and at the playground... finally making high school varsity, attending basketball camps in the summer, traveling with amateur leagues, getting letters from college, drawing interest from scouts... then the day arrives at long last... the day he's been building towards his entire life... He hears his name called at the NBA draft. It's a dream come true. But, oh, wait... he gets bad news... he's no longer an athlete, but an actor, no different than some Hollywood production. He is now asked to missed shots he knows he can make, or foul some guy he knows he can guard... just because the script calls for it.

You're out of your fvcking mind if you believe that. Do you really believe that these players with massive egos are willing to discard their own personal legacy because Billy Bob has a big bet on the under? Why do you see so much emotion on the court if the players already know the outcome? You can't convince me that they're all highly skilled dramatic actors. The unbridled emotion I see from players in the heat of the moment is authentic. You can't fake something like that, unless you're Robert DeNiro.

But I'm willing to let you present your case if you insist on this nonsense conspiracy of yours. Show me the footage of Westbrook intentionally missing shots. Let's have a look. Hell, post the entire final three minutes of the game if you're so certain it's the smoking gun.

On top of all this, every single player in the history of the game has managed to keep it a secret & not tell one single person that they are really being paid to be actors rather than professional athletes. If just one player would come forward & even hint at this being the case it would be front page & lead story newsworthy on every media outlet known to mankind. Somehow though, not one single player in the history of the game has come forward & spilled the beans.

Seriously, how fukkin' stupid can some people be to believe that the players rig games to land exactly on the number!! Hell, I mean in this particular instance the bet wasn't even won or lost, it was a push!!

[TheMoneyShot]

MoneyShot, read the post above yours. Quit acting silly. A "missed layup" in the scoring summary does not mean he bricked a wide open look, as in a layup drill during warm-ups... He probably drove wildly, like Westbrook often does, and missed a contested shot in the paint. As for the non-fouls, was somebody hacked? If so, let's see it.

I'm not acting silly. I tell it like it is. You're talking about a sport in which each team must take one mandatory timeout each quarter.... refs have pagers, wires... mics on at all times... why the need for all of this? It's a fukking indoor game. I want to know why a team must take a mandatory timeout if their on a 15-0 run? Why??? Why?? I want to know why in the last 3 minutes of a game... you're tired... defense gets sloppy... teams commit fouls... yet no fouls were called. Westbrook can close his eyes and make 2 pointers in his sleep. You guys want to be blind?? Go ahead. NBA athletes are owned... they are entertainers and at times... the people who lay the money are the bait. It's as simple as that.

Never said every game was rigged. But these athletes aren't dumb... this is their living... they know lines... they know what needs to be done in certain situations. Who really knows how they get signaled? But they do. The log on page 1 of this thread speaks for itself. So.. you're telling me the log is wrong?

It's funny... can't get 1 more point in 2:58.... but I've seen 22 points scored in the last minute of an NBA game before. Where amazing happens.

[raiders72001]

It wasn't a push initially, it was 201.5 and 199.5 so ending the game right by the line creates a "near miss" or "near hit" feeling for gamblers, making them come back for more. It's all Vegas production, no doubts.

When a game lands in the middle it's not a good thing for Vegas. Over 199.5 won and under 201.5 won. It's similar to Black Sunday.

The game came to be known as "Black Sunday" in Las Vegas. The point spread opened at Pittsburgh -3.5 points. As the Steelers backers placed bets on them the sportsbooks adjusted the line. It eventually hit Pittsburgh -4.5 and then the Dallas money poured in on the Cowboys. It eventually settled at Pittsburgh -4. The game's final outcome of Pittsburgh 35 Dallas 31 meant the Las Vegas sportsbooks lost the vast majority of wagers on the game.^[3]

[dontknowhowtobet]

What you're telling me is that (insert name of NBA player) works his ass of since childhood... blood, sweat, and tears.. days/nights spent refining his skills in the driveway and at the playground... finally making high school varsity, attending basketball camps in the summer, traveling with amateur leagues, getting letters from college, drawing interest from scouts... then the day arrives at long last... the day he's been building towards his entire life... He hears his name called at the NBA draft. It's a dream come true. But, oh, wait... he gets bad news... he's no longer an athlete, but an actor, no different than some Hollywood production. He is now asked to missed shots he knows he can make, or foul some guy he knows he can guard... just because the script calls for it.

There is no need to go that far.
Refs, coaches, and many other people involved make it easier to rig the game.
The players sometimes are the innocent ones, that doesn't mean everyone around them is the same.

[dontknowhowtobet]

When a game lands in the middle it's not a good thing for Vegas. Over 199.5 won and under 201.5 won. It's similar to Black Sunday.

Vegas never loses! It makes 10% from every bet!
(You risk 100 but get only 90 back if you win)

[swordsandtequila]

Vegas never loses! It makes 10% from every bet!
(You risk 100 but get only 90 back if you win)

Your username says everything.

[dontknowhowtobet]

Your username says everything.

I even got a video dedicated for me!

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...ing-video.html

[Eddy Munny]

There is no need to go that far.
Refs, coaches, and many other people involved make it easier to rig the game.
The players sometimes are the innocent ones, that doesn't mean everyone around them is the same.

There is no need to go what far? I'm responding to your claim that NBA players are basically actors a la the WWE.

Those were your words, not mine. So my response to your assertion, that players are actors, now has you abandoning your original argument and foisting the blame upon "refs, coaches, and many other people?"

If you're going to continue talking out of your ass, I guess there's really no point in trying to converse with you... But just for the record, you stated Russell Westbrook was missing shots on purpose. You stated players do this in accordance with a script.

But after I challenged you to post the video, clearly depicting Westbrook taking the dive, you backed off and tweaked your argument to "the players sometimes are the innocent ones."

I think it's becoming quite apparent that you're completely clueless.

[TheMoneyShot]

When a game lands in the middle it's not a good thing for Vegas. Over 199.5 won and under 201.5 won. It's similar to Black Sunday.

We don't truly know the reason why this game held at 200. There is a reason though. Vegas wasn't worried about a middle... they were definitely worried about something else though.

[Eddy Munny]

I'm not acting silly. I tell it like it is. You're talking about a sport in which each team must take one mandatory timeout each quarter.... refs have pagers, wires... mics on at all times... why the need for all of this? It's a fukking indoor game. I want to know why a team must take a mandatory timeout if their on a 15-0 run? Why??? Why?? I want to know why in the last 3 minutes of a game... you're tired... defense gets sloppy... teams commit fouls... yet no fouls were called. Westbrook can close his eyes and make 2 pointers in his sleep. You guys want to be blind?? Go ahead. NBA athletes are owned... they are entertainers and at times... the people who lay the money are the bait. It's as simple as that.

Never said every game was rigged. But these athletes aren't dumb... this is their living... they know lines... they know what needs to be done in certain situations. Who really knows how they get signaled? But they do. The log on page 1 of this thread speaks for itself. So.. you're telling me the log is wrong?

It's funny... can't get 1 more point in 2:58.... but I've seen 22 points scored in the last minute of an NBA game before. Where amazing happens.

Okay, we get you. Look, we're not going to be able to get to the bottom of every alleged fix in the history of basketball, so let's focus our attention on the one mentioned at the top of the thread. You and the OP clearly believe shots were missed on purpose. You also believe there were fouls that went uncalled and shot-clock violations that took place intentionally. This was done, according to you, all in the name of keeping the total at 200.

Alright, so I issued one minor challenge to either you or the OP, who, let's face it, is beginning to sound more and more like the village idiot with each post. Anyhow, I've yet to see the last three minutes of the game posted. What gives? Was the game footage secretly whisked away from the NBA archives, and locked up somewhere in a deep, underground vault at Area 51?

What's so hard about complying with this one, simple request? You can blather on all you want to about this, that, and the other, but the proof is in the pudding... posting a screen-shot of the scoring summary does NOTHING to support your case. I want to see it with my own eyes. You can't deceive the discerning eye. So why am I still waiting? Either you or the OP should upload the final three minutes of the game, and let everyone in this thread judge for themselves, or get off your soapbox.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence, and so far, you've brought nothing to the table.

[frostno98]

Vegas never loses! It makes 10% from every bet!
(You risk 100 but get only 90 back if you win)

The local I know had only 1 terrible week in the NFL, he's been killing the public every single week.

[mtofell]

Remember that baseball game 10 years or so ago when the pitcher threw the ball and a bird flew in its path and got blown up? If you do anything enough times something crazy is going to happen. No scoring for the last 3 minutes? Uncommon, of course but not impossible. And it doesn't mean the game is fixed. If it was such an obvious fix I'd expect the people fixing it to start long before there is 3 minutes left.

And if things are so obviously fixed why not just take the other side and get rich?

[KVB]

And if things are so obviously fixed why not just take the other side and get rich?

Some people do.

[z-doggie]

NBA ...not rigged...

[R.P. McMurphy]

Definitely a "shady" ending I would say but like most it's pretty much impossible to prove. And I'm a pretty firm believer more fixing goes on than we will ever know. But it's part of the business and you take the good with the bad and expect variance to kick in on these things like everything else. Sure there were plenty on the ov in this gm that got fukked who backed Cent Mich today and got it back etc. It's a multi billion dollar industry folks and more a business now than ever with $$ being king. If you are naive enough to think this business is not corrupt on a decent level than keep living in a fairy tale world.

[R.P. McMurphy]

How many business in the world with this kind of $ is at stake are totally legit and not corrupt? Come on men think bout it

[gasto]

The idiots on these forums will not admit to the rig. This makes them feel better to just assume it was all due to poos shooting. If you accept games are rigged then it questions why you continue gambling

Think about it. There is probably lots of people clicking on computers over 204 over 210 whatever because in game totals adjust to suit the pace. A little calc and you think yeah the game is going to go over 220 and then suddenly scoring dries up. No fouls in a 2 point game with 3 mins left

Its not coincidence that a coach went for it on 4th and 6 instead of kicking a field goal and ended up losing by one. Now today you have a team that was up 28 and ended up almost losing. Final score 49 48. Spread was around 3. Lost in all this is people who get cleaned out in live betting that makes people believe things are heading one way only to realize it was just a head fake.

[dontknowhowtobet]

The idiots on these forums will not admit to the rig. This makes them feel better to just assume it was all due to poos shooting. If you accept games are rigged then it questions why you continue gambling

Think about it. There is probably lots of people clicking on computers over 204 over 210 whatever because in game totals adjust to suit the pace. A little calc and you think yeah the game is going to go over 220 and then suddenly scoring dries up. No fouls in a 2 point game with 3 mins left

Its not coincidence that a coach went for it on 4th and 6 instead of kicking a field goal and ended up losing by one. Now today you have a team that was up 28 and ended up almost losing. Final score 49 48. Spread was around 3. Lost in all this is people who get cleaned out in live betting that makes people believe things are heading one way only to realize it was just a head fake.

Exactly.
Utah vs Memphis 2 days ago was the same - in the NBA as well.

The live line during halftime was 186.5 - I actually took lots of screenshots from this one:

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/foru...challenge.html

167 points with 1:34 remaining --> ended with 188 points!!

And these 2 teams barely scored during the game ... but in 1:30 minutes they managed to score 21 points ... how sick is that???

Proofs:

1:34 to go



40 seconds to go



Final score!



Line during halftime is 186.5 ... now who is going to tell me NBA is NOT rigged ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!

You are BLIND if you're thinking otherwise!

[dontknowhowtobet]

How many business in the world with this kind of $ is at stake are totally legit and not corrupt? Come on men think bout it

Fine, businesses are corrupt, not saying they're not and everyone is 100% righteous but the NBA is showing its ugly side straight up.

[dontknowhowtobet]

And if things are so obviously fixed why not just take the other side and get rich?

That's actually what I'm trying to do but it's difficult to read the vegas' mind all the times.
However if you treat it like this you have more chances gaining up something ... but again, for me it's a destructive pattern, not sure how I got into this again.

[dontknowhowtobet]

The local I know had only 1 terrible week in the NFL, he's been killing the public every single week.

He's killing it just from gaining the 10% "vig" / "juice" or however you name it.