[44 Mag]

Yet another useless thread that SHOULD be deleted.

[LT Profits]

Yet another useless thread that SHOULD be deleted.

The fact that so many people are actually surprised that he is coming back would contradict that.

[JoeyBagels]

Pacers had the best record in the east this season even with losing Miami who they took to 6 games in the ECF. So who exactly will you replace Vogel with that will achieve more than that as HC? Some college guy, or a washed up vet that cycles in and out of teams in the league every few years like Mike D'Antoni?

The problem with the Pacers is chemistry. They had horrible team chemistry in the 2nd half of the season and I'm surprised Vogel even managed to get them as far as the ECF.

There's a lot of rumors swirling around that will likely come out there this summer. Some of which include:

-Paul George falling into a honey trap impregnating a stripper who is taking him to court for max support
-Paul George being catfished by some dude and having naked pictures of him leaked on the web.
-A team member allegedly banging another playerswife. This is sketchy but they say it was Hibbert's wife and either PG/Bynum who did the dirty.
-Lance Stephenson being extremely unstable in the locker room - fighting Evan Turner in practice and in the locker room (see below for reasons). It looks like Danny Granger even hobbled as he was by injuries was an important factor in their locker room and kept Stephenson in check. When the Pacers traded for Evan Turner it created a problem because
1 - Pacers felt betrayed by management for letting go of someone they got along well with and who had been with the team for a long time
2 - Stephenson went apeshit because Evan Turner was basically Bird's backup plan if Stephenson got a contract he couldn't match because of CAP space this free agency season. So if Stephenson went elsewhere for more money Bird would exercise Turners team option for next year effectively replacing Stephenson.
- Roy Hibbert bucking under the pressure of his contract. Hibbert got such an extension that more was expected of him and he couldn't take it. Before he was an unsung hero that played well and was underpaid. But now that he's paid you see what can happen in a pressure microcosm like the playoffs.

So as counter-intuitive as it may seem Pacers front office (including Bird) are partially to blame for the problems. The players themselves shoulder the rest but I think it's misguided to blame Vogel for the alledged "failure" in the playoffs.

[cane]

Pacers had the best record in the east this season even with losing Miami who they took to 6 games in the ECF. So who exactly will you replace Vogel with that will achieve more than that as HC? Some college guy, or a washed up vet that cycles in and out of teams in the league every few years like Mike D'Antoni?

The problem with the Pacers is chemistry. They had horrible team chemistry in the 2nd half of the season and I'm surprised Vogel even managed to get them as far as the ECF.

There's a lot of rumors swirling around that will likely come out there this summer. Some of which include:

-Paul George falling into a honey trap impregnating a stripper who is taking him to court for max support
-Paul George being catfished by some dude and having naked pictures of him leaked on the web.
-A team member allegedly banging another playerswife. This is sketchy but they say it was Hibbert's wife and either PG/Bynum who did the dirty.
-Lance Stephenson being extremely unstable in the locker room - fighting Evan Turner in practice and in the locker room (see below for reasons). It looks like Danny Granger even hobbled as he was by injuries was an important factor in their locker room and kept Stephenson in check. When the Pacers traded for Evan Turner it created a problem because
1 - Pacers felt betrayed by management for letting go of someone they got along well with and who had been with the team for a long time
2 - Stephenson went apeshit because Evan Turner was basically Bird's backup plan if Stephenson got a contract he couldn't match because of CAP space this free agency season. So if Stephenson went elsewhere for more money Bird would exercise Turners team option for next year effectively replacing Stephenson.
- Roy Hibbert bucking under the pressure of his contract. Hibbert got such an extension that more was expected of him and he couldn't take it. Before he was an unsung hero that played well and was underpaid. But now that he's paid you see what can happen in a pressure microcosm like the playoffs.

So as counter-intuitive as it may seem Pacers front office (including Bird) are partially to blame for the problems. The players themselves shoulder the rest but I think it's misguided to blame Vogel for the alledged "failure" in the playoffs.

Hey Joey, do me a favor and please start posting more often, this board needs more posters like you, and less of the morons. You summed things up very well.

[Cross]

They better get a bench mob.

[LordVodka]

Get rid of Hibbert. He is a dead weight when it matters.

[vasilli07]

Pacers had the best record in the east this season even with losing Miami who they took to 6 games in the ECF. So who exactly will you replace Vogel with that will achieve more than that as HC? Some college guy, or a washed up vet that cycles in and out of teams in the league every few years like Mike D'Antoni?

Pacers are extremely lucky they don't have any injuries to deal with for the whole season. If not for injury to Rose or a often rested Wade, they would probably be 3rd. And so what if they got the top spot, home court advantage and built a team simply to beat Heat? Did they beat number 2 seed Heat? No, they didn't and got totally thrashed by them instead.

[vividjohn45]

How about Bird??

Maybe he is the issue

He is a dumb fuk

Midnite shift jj, plz. Bird is a champion.

[Menses]

I'm pullin the race card..if both Vogel and brooks would have been fired if they was black...Karl nine years before they canned his ass..Hollins and Jackson had 2-3 yrs tops before they were knocked out the box...

[Grits n' Gravy]

The best person to coach this team is Bird and he doesn't want to deal with the constant traveling. He knows the only way his team is getting to finals is if LeBron has a season ending injury.

[Mitchell88]

The best person to coach this team is Bird and he doesn't want to deal with the constant traveling. He knows the only way his team is getting to finals is if LeBron has a season ending injury.

right there, that's it they own the east unless LeBron is gone, just no other team as a whole can handle him

[LT Profits]

Then again LeBron may not be with the Heat next year and if he goes to a West team, then the Pacers have a chance.

[Seto]

Then again LeBron may not be with the Heat next year and if he goes to a West team, then the Pacers have a chance.

If LeBron goes to the West they should just make the EC the 2nd tier of basketball and create a promotion/relegation system like in soccer.

[Grits n' Gravy]

Then again LeBron may not be with the Heat next year and if he goes to a West team, then the Pacers have a chance.

He's not going anywhere this offseason. The team nobody talks about him joining after 2015 is Boston. If they get Love and keep Rondo, they have the pieces to entice him.

[jjgold]

I think Vogel a good guy the players seem to like him

Something went wrong on that team internally between players

I think he got to get rid of Hibbert and make sure Stephenson stays

[LT Profits]

He's not going anywhere this offseason.

Oh I agree, that's why I said he COULD leave. But I doubt he does also.