It really isn't a contest, MJ would force kareem or any other big to pickup his dribble, and then what - Kareem turns into an 18 foot jump shooter?
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10-16-13 01:37 PM #36
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10-16-13 01:44 PM #37
I guy like Barkley, Olajuwon, or even Craig Smith could just back off those guys and make them shoot a jumper and then get a layup every time on offense
Originally Posted by ChalkyDog
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10-16-13 01:46 PM #38
Kareem, Ewing, or Yao MIng that is different they can't dribble but Shaq probably could beat Jordan too
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10-16-13 01:51 PM #39
Please note: MJ said that IN HIS PRIME he would beat Lebron James 1 on 1 and that he is not sure about Kobe.
IN HIS PRIME.
Well, no shiit really? Don't we all know this? Duh MJ would beat Lebron.
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10-16-13 01:57 PM #40
No big can defend Jordan, their defense would consist of hoping MJ misses. You also can't just dunk a missed shot. They'd have to rebound, dribble it past the free throw line, and start their offense. Not happening.
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10-16-13 04:01 PM #41
Originally Posted by brooks85
FACT - Anyone who seriously thinks Lebron (or any player) could handle Jordan's intensity and will to win in a 1 on 1 scenario is under the age of 30.
Whole bunch of kids that have never seen Jordan actually play outside you tube clips.
Jordan is not some holy pedestal that can never be attained. There may one day be a player that surpasses him, however it most definitely isn't Lebron, who relies more on his god given physical gifts than he does actual basketball skill and savvy.
A guy with an un-reliable jump shot and who has been known to fade in crucial moments is better than Michael Jordan?
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10-16-13 04:46 PM #42
This is the truth. I am right at your threshold age, however, I grew up in the Suburbs of Chicago during the 90's and watched the GOAT master his craft at the expense of many HOF'ers. Originally Posted by sando
It's damn near impossible to compere Jordan to LeBron, especially if the only context is via stats. It would be like trying to compare Jordan to Wilt, or LeBron to Kareem. It's impractical, unreasonable, and as a result impossible.
But having seen both LeBron and Jordan play in their prime, there is no question in my mind which player was more dominant in their respective eras, and there are no amount of stats, rings or trophies that LBJ can accumulate to change that truth from my mind.
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10-16-13 05:08 PM #43
you know kareem's sky hook had some range.
he doesn't have to dribble much when you're taking the ball out from the top of the key.
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10-16-13 05:57 PM #44
What would the line be in this hypothetical situation?
Jordan -140?
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10-16-13 06:16 PM #45
Michael Jordan at his prime was unbeatable. Lebron at his prime is beatable.
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10-16-13 06:19 PM #46
Lebron has plenty of skill and savvy...which is why he is a walking triple double...however I will not say he is better than Jordan...and only people under 30 and espn story baitors claim Lebron is better. I do see however that there is a large contingent of holier than thou Jordan worshipers who feel the need to step on Lebron's legacy every time his name is mentioned next to Jordan's.....they don't mind if its Kobe...but if its Lebron, they get bent out of shape...Kobe is nor ever will be half the player Lebron is...and the league, Jordan and everybody knows it but they do not want to admit it....because there is a generation war going on between the 30 something, 40something, elder crowd and the latter half Generation X and mostly Y crowd who feel the need to protect their ERA....because they think its being forgotten.....just because Lebron's name is now being talked about in the Jordan veign does not mean people will forget Jordan or what he has accomplished....this Jordan worship has got to stop...Lebron is not some 22 year old punk who thinks he better than he really is (Kobe at 22)......He did more with less than Jordan and Kobe did during his tenure...in Cleveland...4 MVP's all deserved...and two titles....If Wade was 2-3 years younger....He would pass Jordan without a doubt...had he landed on the Lakers as a young kid with a younger Shaq and Phil Jackson....Lebron would have won 8 rings at least....stop fooling yourselves....He is not better than Jordan yet....but HE DESERVES to be talked about in the conversation...let the young kids say he is better...thats what people do during their ERA's...it can't be helped...but dun act like its a ridiculous argument....Jordan is scared shitless about Lebron for some reason....i wonder why that is? Originally Posted by sando
Last edited by Menses; 10-16-13 at 06:23 PM.
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10-16-13 06:19 PM #47
Kobe v Lebron v MJ is apples/oranges/pears
All 3 are great for different reasons. Given a choice of who I'd want on my NBA squad come playoff time I'd rank them:
MJ
Kobe
LBJ
But not by much..... again, all great players. 1 on 1? Who cares
My ranking could change by the time LBJ retires.
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10-16-13 06:20 PM #48
Dumars and Isiah punked Jordan for years...so did Larry and Magic.....Jordan became unbeatable when he teamed up with 2nd greatest perimeter defender of all time, Scottie Pippen......Lebron passed Pippen on that list last year... Originally Posted by pavyracer
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10-16-13 06:22 PM #49
You ever seen Kobe play defense? take that boy off that list.....lol....he dun belong......shit even Phil knows it....and he coached MJ and Kobe...Lebron is right there... Originally Posted by mtofell
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10-16-13 06:35 PM #50
It did have range, but it was also incredibly rhythmic and in stride. Something I doubt he could create for himself consistently enough off the dribble. Originally Posted by Ghenghis Kahn
I bet there are less than a handful of examples of Kareem getting off a skyhook where he didn't receive the ball already in the postish area.
Point being, I find it easier for Jordan to defend Kareem than the other way around.
MJ (or any NBA perimeter player) can knock down uncontested jumpshots at a better than 90% rate. You see it all the time in shoot around and practices. I remember watching Gilbert Arenas knock down some ungodly number of 3's in a row, one handed (think it's on Youtube somewhere).
Point being, if Kareem or any big were to try and take away the jumper, they'd be giving up a dunk. Meaning, the only defense a big could play on a player like Jordan, would be to hope he misses a jumper, and the reason why no big man stands a chance in a 1 on 1 with a guard.
I'd take Jordan in his 40's over any big in their prime.
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10-16-13 06:37 PM #51
mj -1.5 Originally Posted by pickybob
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10-16-13 06:44 PM #52
Originally Posted by ChalkyDog
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10-16-13 06:46 PM #53
another note, does anyone remember back in the 90s taco bell was gonna sponsor a shaq vs hakeem 1 on 1?
the winner gets a million.
that shit never happened.
hakeem would've killed shaq in that match...
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10-16-13 06:49 PM #54
I likeJordan but he is quickly becoming a douche bag.
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10-16-13 06:58 PM #55
I think I saw that commercial.... Originally Posted by Ghenghis Kahn
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10-16-13 07:09 PM #56
i dont know about destroy, but I think MJ would win
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10-16-13 07:15 PM #57
Excellent post, I agree with most, however you are being way too harsh on Kobe. Kobe at his peak was un-touchable. Are you aware how many times he was NBA All-Defence? Originally Posted by Menses
Also I didn't say Lebron did not possess skill and savvy, I simply implied his game is build more around his athletic abilities (as would probably any players that possessed Lebrons god given physical abilities).Last edited by sando; 10-16-13 at 07:18 PM.
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10-16-13 08:28 PM #58
He did not deserve to be NBA all defensive...those awards were given to him to fulfill the NARRATIVE....and the mythological story line...that HE IS THE 2ND COMING of Jordan.....which he NEVER was...the man was a glorified Vince Carter who would never have won a championship had he not been traded....People think I am hard on him...but it is more about me being hard on the NBA manipulation that is going on with this player for over a decade....people must understand that the league was terrified of Jordan leaving..and they needed a replacement....Kobe fit the bill because of his look, footwork, and jumpshot. They used Jordan's name to sell Kobe tickets...and Shaq was used to pad Kobe's resume....untouchable you say? I must beg to differ. If he was so untouchable why did Phil Jackson demand that Jerry Buss Trade him for Shawn Marrion and Jason Kidd who were also in their primes at the time? Do you know how many players could have won a championship with Shaq, the Laker bench, Phil Jackson and Buss at the helm? Lets go back to that era for a moment? Or even earlier.. Originally Posted by sando
(90's)Penny Hardaway - Olajuwon got in the way
(2000's) Dwayne Wade - won a championhip with Shaq
Jerry Stackhouse
Allen Iverson
Vince Carter
Tracey Mcgrady
Lebron James
Paul Pierce
Replace Kobe with any one of those players and those Laker teams win rings...with additional help from the Refs...as stated by Donaghy. You take Shaq away from that team and look at the result...look what happened to the great Kobe Bryant...within 4 years he wanted out...I wonder why that is? This fool wanted out of the Lakers bad he was entertaining a trade to the Bulls to play in Jordan's shadow...Buss bailed the entire franchise out getting Gasol for basically a bag of peanuts...in reality Jerry West deliberately gave Gasol away as a pay off to Jerry Buss...his long time buddy....he denies it till this day...either way....Kobe needed two seven footers to win another ring...when you are as inefficient as Kobe is from the perimeter, you need big men on the offensive glass....it didn't hurt that Gasol was an all star stretch 4...who averaged beyond a double double for several years...Jordan won rings playing small....Kobe could not and will never be able to do this....everytime he has, he has failed miserably...
In reality, there is absolutely nothing about Kobe's game that resembles Jordan's especially his defense...
Ask yourself this question
If Kobe switched places with Lebron and was drafted by the Cavs in 03 and coached by Mike Brown with Mo Williams as a second option, would he have stayed for 8 years? Led them to an NBA finals? Won two MVP's? If Kobe could not make it work with Phil Jackson, Shaq, and the Pimp Godfather himself Jerry Buss...despite winning 3 rings...what would have happened to Kobe if he was forced to be the man to turn the Cavs franchise around? He barely lasted half a season with Mike Brown before he had him fired. Lebron had Brown for 5 years...
Now ask yourself another question? What would Lebron have done in a Laker uniform with Shaq and Phil? What did Phil say about Lebron recently? That he wanted Kobe to play more like Lebron....which he cannot because he plays no defense and is too inefficient from the perimeter..Last edited by Menses; 10-16-13 at 08:42 PM.
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