What does losing in the 1st round have to do with winning MVP or not?
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07-11-13 10:24 AM #36
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07-11-13 11:28 AM #37
to Kobe.. nothing.
Originally Posted by Seto
to everybody else. it is quite significant.
MVP does not mean 'most points'
it means person that contributed the most overall to their team
and made them the 'best team' or ''much better, than the year before"*
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07-11-13 12:45 PM #38
Oh my word...surely you jest?........LOL........If Lebron was ousted in the 1st round....how would that look? Originally Posted by Seto
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07-11-13 01:55 PM #39
Originally Posted by Menses
thank you. shoulda thought of that one myself..
if LEBRON lost in the 1st Round... and his team was the 7th seed.... he would never have won ANY MVP under those conditions..
the MVP's team MUST be Division Winners, not barely over .500
Lakers in 2005-'06 were 45-37 (.549)
not NEARLY good enough to have a true MVP
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07-11-13 03:58 PM #40
you're a moron. bryant didn't get mvp because he raped a girl. you idiot.
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07-11-13 04:19 PM #41
lol. and IF you FORCE YOURSELF ON TEENAGE GIRLS.. Originally Posted by Goat Milk
then you ARE DISQUALIFIED AGAIN.
NOT an All-Time great by any stretch
*
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07-11-13 05:08 PM #42
Menses and/or Ratzz MVP is a regular season award. Has nothing, zero to do with losing in the first round or not.
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07-11-13 05:10 PM #43
Your absolutely right...it had nothing to do with Rape.....he got an MVP because he clearly did not deserve it while playing with Shaq....and between 04 AND 08...his field goal percentage, field goal attempts and shot selection were so terrible, the league could not logically justify handing him the trophy. He won the championship in 09 and 10...and was handed the MVP for the same reasons Pacino was handed the Oscar in 92...he might never get another shot.....even though Denzel deserved the award....Lebron destroyed Kobe in 09 and 10 in field goal percentage...and averaged 29 compared to Kobe's 27... Originally Posted by Goat Milk
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07-11-13 05:11 PM #44
Just saying, if an MVP award is won by said player and that said players team goes out in the first round...its a bad look and reflects poorly on the player in question... Originally Posted by Seto
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07-11-13 05:17 PM #45
Yeah obviously it would. No shit. But still, playoff performances are irrelevant to getting MVP or not. Originally Posted by Menses
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07-11-13 05:19 PM #46
Kobe didn't win MVP in 2009 or 2010... Originally Posted by Menses
How can one possibly mix up finals MVP and MVP?
Dude stop embarassing yourself seriously.
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07-11-13 05:51 PM #47
c'mon, Seet Originally Posted by Seto
it matters. everything matters.
*
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07-11-13 05:53 PM #48
Bang. spot on. Originally Posted by Menses
Ironic that they wait until the 2nd Round to give it out.
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07-11-13 06:39 PM #49
didnt dirk win the mvp and got KO'd by the warriors in the first round?
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07-11-13 06:59 PM #50
yeah and d wade beat out both of them. did wade ever get an mvp? fg percentage is a misleading stat. are you gonna say wade is better than bryant because he's one of the few guards in history that shoots 50% for his career? i think not... Originally Posted by Menses
bryant scored 81 in a game that year. 50+ in 4 straight games. 63 after 3 quarters.... no one in history can do that. wilt's performances were laughable compared to the level of difficulty in bryant's feats.
Shaq himself said bryant was the best player in the world in 2003. it's documented. 35 ppg on 27 shots? that's pretty great, not sure what you're talking about. that's while getting double and tripple teamed.
all nba players in the league today know that kobe is impossible to guard. that's all that matters.
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07-11-13 07:01 PM #51
yeah. these guys don't know what they're talking about. bryant's 35.4 ppg in a season had mvp written all over it. they gave it to nash, who's stats were laughable compared to bryants. what bryant did that year had never been done in history. the league didn't want him to get mvp because he was going through the rape trial and they didn't want to give themselves a bad image. everyone knows this. it's common knowledge among nba fans. Originally Posted by jsmithj88
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07-11-13 07:48 PM #52
Originally Posted by jsmithj88
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07-11-13 07:59 PM #53
people gotta stop mentioning this Originally Posted by Goat Milk
it is hilariously misleading
1_ Toronto Raptors. expansion team
2_ nobody in the world would would be so selfish as to heave up that many shots.
completwly disregarding the presence of his entire team. it's not impressive.*
many other players could have done that, (and could still) it is just a matter of being
dick enough to do it.
that's like " cumming 20X in a row before my partner comes twice"
this is the ultimate "no ball-sharing stat"
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07-11-13 08:20 PM #54
i stand corrected...it was finals MVP...which he should not have won either in 2010....he got the mvp in 2008 Originally Posted by Seto
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07-11-13 08:37 PM #55
Hey u wanna debate individual performances...no problem..we can do that all day..but those performances do not result in his team winning...they often never do...why do people always reference Kobe's regular season performances...in seasons where the Lakers don't make it out the first round? Lebron can drop 40 a night if he wanted to....but he knows that's not the way....there is a more efficient way of playing basketball that benefits the team...your boy never learned that. A college education might have done it...but alas...he wanted to go pro early....go listen to Dell Harris, Rambis, Jerry West had to say back in 97/98 about Kobe's style of play...ball hogging and ill advised shot taking...it was his main problem then...and continues to be...go look at the performance he gave against Utah back in 98....4 air balls in the last minute...costing his team the game... Originally Posted by Goat Milk
Field goal percentage does matter....when you shoot as much as Kobe does and miss as much as much as he does, it becomes a telling stat.....Casual fans are very swayed by the amount of points a player scores....all the while ignoring how he scores them..its like the ball player who knocks 50 jacks...but strikes out 300 times......I do not give a shit about 4 straight 50 point games and 81 points in a game when your team is loosing..Kobe has done that his entire career and he does it by taking the most shots......all the while getting bounced out of the playoffs year after year...The Triangle offense is designed in such way that every player contributes and scores...Kobe would not adhere to it and this is why Phil said he is not a leader...thats a hall of fame coach telling you that..let me borrow from Ratz for a minute...
KOBE WILL NOT WIN ANOTHER RING UNLESS THE THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE AND PHIL JACKSON RETURN.......
Mike Brown tried his best to incorporate the Princeton, style offense which is similar and Kobe flat out refused...Brown gets fired, Dwight calls him out on his shots......then came the fist fight....the media covered up....lol.....then look what happened in Phoenix when they were up heading into the 4th....and Kobe shot them right out of it....they don't make the playoffs last year without Dwight...as limited and injured as he was....if u do not have that big man down low to grab kobe's misses....defensive rebounds...they are toast.....i am looking foward to seeing a full season without a dominant big man down there...with Kobe jacking up 25 a game...to give the public a reminder of what happens to Laker teams that don't have 1 - A BIG and 2 - PHIL'S TRIANGLE
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07-11-13 08:40 PM #56
I have noticed that people only mention this when the subject of real team basketball comes up....Again it is Kobe-tunnel-vision....its about his stats and points he scores.....Michael Scored points in chicago pre pippen...but ain't nobody cared till he got that CHIP....same with Lebron...and he did it while garnering two MVP's......and nobody cares.....why do these Kobe fans keep mentioning 81 points against the most abysmal team in the NBA? LOL.......did Kobe ever win a ring during those high scoring ball hogging years? Originally Posted by Ratzz
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07-11-13 09:24 PM #57
Oh yeah, who should have? Shannon Brown? Originally Posted by Menses
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07-12-13 12:11 AM #58
excellent point. 3 pointer from beyond mid-court. outta nowhere. Originally Posted by Menses
right in
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07-12-13 01:09 AM #59
Dude no one can score 81 points in a game today. No one. Teams won't allow one player to do that. They will double, tripple Lebron if he starts to heat up. Bryant is and always was a much better jump shooter than Bron. Not even close in this respect. Kobe scored 63 against the best team in the NBA at the time in the Dallas Mavericks. After 3 quarters...He outscored them by himself. That will never, ever happen again. Originally Posted by Menses
Just look at Bryant when he speaks. He speaks like he's a college grad. On the other hand, Shaq has a PhD and sounds like a dumbass. Bryant is much smarter than Lebron James or D Wade.
Don't forget, Lebron is nothing without Wade, and Bryant never got to play with a player like D Wade. Shaq isn't even in the same breath, the guy had 10 great years then was finished after that.
Your mockery of Bryant is a disgrace. You also just implied that Bryant shouldn't have won the finals MVP in 2010. Um....did you see Bryant's numbers in the nba finals in 2010? Did you see what he did on the road IN BOSTON when the entire Lakers team was folding into their shell? He had one bad game, in game 7. And still pulled down 15 boards that game. You realize they were doubling Bryant the whole series too, right?
You realize Gasol never even won 1 playoff game before Bryant, right? Even with a good Memphis roster. Guy got swept 3 years in a row. Swept...
What about Dwight? Dwight couldn't even win 1 game against the Spurs. Guy got swept. I think bryant only got swept once in his whole career and that was against the eventual champions in the Mavs. And Phil Jackson basically called out the two pussies, Gasol and Bynum for their joke of a performance.
I rest my case.
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07-12-13 10:26 AM #60
It's comments like this that prove you r clueless & have literally zero credibility on this forum Rat boy. Originally Posted by Menses
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07-12-13 10:28 AM #61
see RED above Originally Posted by Goat Milk
Dude no one can score 81 points in a game today. No one.*
G: *Your mockery of Bryant is a disgrace. You also just implied that Bryant shouldn't have won the finals MVP in 2010.
R: He should not have, it was a Celtic win. Stern made sure Celts did not sweep Lakers. Bad for business.*
LAKERS 37 FTs *Celtics 17 FTs (20 FTs in 4th QTR ALONE for Lakers. *T*W*E*N*T*Y. just think about that.)
staggeringly disproportionate*
G:*Um....did you see Bryant's numbers in the nba finals in 2010?
R:*YES. 6-24 FG in a GAME 7
(NO excuses. it's a GAME 7. Legends don't do that)
G:*Did you see what he did on the road IN BOSTON when the entire Lakers team was folding into their shell?
R:*Kobe took 27 SHOTS BY HIMSELF. more than DOUBLE any other LAKER. That is called BALLHOGGING.
nobody else gets hot, because it is 6 minutes in between shots.
http://www.nba.com/games/20100613/LA...t2hp0040900405
G:*He had one bad game, in game 7.*(NO excuses. it's a GAME 7)
R
NO excuses. it's a GAME 7. Legends don't do that)
http://www.nba.com/games/20100617/BO...html#nbaGIlive
G:*And still pulled down 15 boards that game.
R:*only because he was bent on taking the next shot and making sure he would have the ball. (only to miss).
G:*You realize they were doubling Bryant the whole series too, right?
R:that means you PASS instead of taking the shot (as in Game 7)
*I rest my case.
Last edited by Ratzz; 07-12-13 at 10:33 AM.
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07-12-13 11:01 AM #62
Obviously, u have a short memory. Actually, it's more like a selective memory as long as the results fit into your agenda. You don't remember making a retarded claim that Kobe was going to shoot under 41%?? I then offered to wager you your entire life's assets. You then realized how retarded your statement was & piped down like a b#tch. Then Kobe went cold for a 2 week stretch & you jumped @ the opportunity to make this embarrassing thread: Originally Posted by Ratzz
http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/nba-basket...-vs-ratzz.html
@ least you had enough sense to UP the final FG% to .43% from the original claim of .41%
One small problem though.......@ the time of your ridiculous & embarrassing thread Kobe was shooting .46% & the season was half over. You were incapable of realizing that if Kobe continued @ the same volume of shot attempts he would have had to shoot under .40% the rest of the way & anybody that understands the game knows the chances of that occurring were literally 0%...
Naturally, once you realized your mistake you went silent & refused to respond, totally neglecting & ignoring the matter just wishing it would disappear. Kudos to you for finally admitting you don't understand basic mathematics
Does the last comment in your original post not make it clear:
"Rattz"
"That is the bet.*
I will post image captures of the PPG Leader Boards, as well as Efficiency Ratings, every week. *
Let's all watch this tank together, shall we?"
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07-12-13 11:45 AM #63
is this all you have you moron?!?! Originally Posted by upscope
Naturally, once you realized your mistake you went silent & refused to respond, totally neglecting & ignoring the matter just wishing it would disappear. Kudos to you for finally admitting you don't understand basic mathematics
i checked the thread.. i said he would not finish over 43.9% and i was WRONG. who cares?!?!
i was DEAD RIGHT ABOUT DWIGHT HOWARD LEAVING $30 Million to get away from Kobe.*
are you REALLY GOING TO GO ON ABOUT THIS STUPID 2.1% DISCREPANCY?!?
IS THIS ALL THE FUKKIN AMMO YOU HAVE?!!? (waahh KOBE shot over 41%!!!)
idiot. you are supposed to be going on about how everyone was dead wrong. and the Lakers won the title,
and Kobe won the Finals MVP, or they won their division behind Kobe's leadership..
something, not this stupid shitt 2.1%
how many game did they lose by 2-4 pts, where Kobe took 15-20 more shots than anybody else?
do us all a favor Scope, and shut up.
you act like shooting over 41% for the HIGHEST PAID in the NBA merits some distinction or award.
if Kobe is so damn great, why doesn't anybody good want to play with him.???
Kobe has created an environment, wherein he is leaps and bounds ahead of the next player.*
AND THE LAKERS HAVE THE LARGEST BANKROLL... AND THEY SUCK. because of Kobe.
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07-12-13 12:34 PM #64
U fail to realize one important thing Rat boy.....I didn't open myself UP like you did. I didn't start threads challenging you in a "Lakers win their division" bet "Lakers win the title" bet "Kobe wins the Finals MVP" bet....
That's because I keep it real. I call you out when you make retarded claims like "the Lakers have 0% chance of making the playoffs" & your even more retarded "Kobe shoots under 40% in the 2nd half claim"
I challenged you both times for your entire lifes assets with those jealousy raged claims that backfired in your face.
You continue to fail @ basic mathematics huh Rat boy?? The point is you r so dumb & clueless u don't even understand exactly what 2.1% points on a fg % actually means. That's how clueless you r about basketball. You make an embarrassing failure of a thread & you're trying to sweep it under the rug because you were within 2.1%
You also fail to understand the difference between 4 yrs & 5 yrs for Dwight Howard. Do you think that Dwight is going to play for free that 5th yr that he has not yet signed for
......add in the difference in state taxes CA vs TX & according to you that = 30m It's apparent that your mathematics skills are not very advanced.
The hole point is you r the moron that embarrassed yourself w/ a thread that had 0.00% chance of actually coming true. The reason you did so was because you don't understand basic mathematics. You're gonna have to deal w/ that on your own, the same way you're gonna have to deal w/ the fact that you lose sleep everynight over Kobe's 5 rings. Not to mention deal w/ the fact that every poster on the board, except for Menses (who is actually you), bitches you regularly & considers you a laughingstock.
These r your problems, not mine deal w/ them. And learn some basic math while you're @ it so you don't further embarrass yourself in the future.
GL Rat boy~
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07-12-13 03:36 PM #65
Seems like there are a lot of Kobe fans on this board...i dunno maybe its a generational thing...they think I am bashing him....upscope is Kobe your favorite player?
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07-12-13 05:50 PM #66
Scope is just upset because his baby is washed-up.. and will never play in a Playoff game again..
he is also upset that Kobe's legacy is completely unraveling, and that he is now exposed as the most overrated player
in the history of this league.
He rides the coattails of his teammates and flips the script on the media so that Kobe-tard nation think just the opposite..
he will likely play another three years.. and will run that organization even further into the ground than he already has.
Laker fans have 5-7 lean years ahead with all the lost draft picks and ill advised contracts to geriatric has-beens.
Lakers cannot make the Finals until 7 years from now min.
3 yrs more lost to Kobe.
4 yrs. recovery following that. *
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07-12-13 05:53 PM #67
Lebron is lightyears ahead of Kobe as a player, and will pass him in every category.
the comparisons 5 years ago was "Kobe or Lebron?"..
Lebron has won two Rings, and the conversation now is "Lebron or Michael?"*
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07-12-13 10:17 PM #68
I just find that Kobe fans seem to take it personal.....and I am not sure why. I really think it is generational. Anybody who actually saw Jordan's entire career....and truly understands the game of basketball....can appreciate Kobe for his talent and skill level but also realize he is not Jordan....he is a VOLUME SCORER....and thus is limited in how effectual he can be for his team......and certainly not Lebron...as Lebron is playing the most efficient form of basketball the game has ever seen...I mean I did not realize it myself at first...back in 04-05-06...but as the years go by...you see the numbers and the influence he has on the game....Kobe is a superior shooter to Lebron...and yet has not shot 50 percent his entire career...he scores 81 on 46 shots...a third of which come from the line....Lebron can score 32 on 15 shots...and still manage 8 & 8.....by accident....u gotta understand to basketball....to appreciate it....Phil has not said one bad thing about Lebron....but continues to tell the public what Kobe's liabilities are..... Originally Posted by Ratzz
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07-13-13 12:37 AM #69
Menses, I would say u r more clueless than Rat boy but since you are Rat boy it's all the same. Dwight Howard shoots a better % than Lebron for the same reason LeBron shoots a better % than Kobe. Because Howard shoots lay-UP's & dunks. LeBron gets to the rim better than anybody in the league & routinely is @ the top of the league in lay-UP's & dunks. Teams lay off LeBron & challenge him to beat him w/ the jumper. No team in the history of the league has ever or will ever do that to Kobe. On the other hand Kobe relies on long distance shots while usually being guarded closely & double teamed.
Do you even understand this concept?? Is DeAndre Jordan the best player in the league?? I mean he shoots the best % so he must be the best player....according to your theory?? Do you even realize that for the last 10 yrs in the league Kobe has routinely been in the top 3 in fg% for shooting guards?? Do you realize has has routinely been in the top 3 in assist for shooting guards?? Do you realize he has routinely been in the top 3 in rebounds for shooting guards?? Do you realize these FACTS??
No you don't, that is because you r clueless to how the game really works & are simply in a jealous rage because Kobe & the Lakers have broke your heart & bitched you for the last 15 yrs. You say retarded stuff as if you're going to convince others that Kobe doesn't even belong in the league & discredit his accomplishments. Keep trying because all you're doing is embarrassing yourself & proving your stupidity & cluelessness. Do you realize that even the Laker haters laugh @ you for being so clueless??
Tell us all again how Derek Fisher got robbed out of the Finals MVP by Kobe
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07-13-13 12:46 AM #70
Do you have any idea how clueless this post is & how stupid you sound?? Washed UP after a firt team all-NBA season Originally Posted by Ratzz
Do you realize the Lakers have won 5 NBA championships during Kobe's tenure there?? You say you r a Heat fan & Thunder fan <-----lol (what a tool). Would you be happy with 5 championships from those organizations during the LeBron yrs & the Durant yrs or would it all be a waste of time if they didn't continue to win championships in their mid thirties??
Kobe has buried you so bad you have come to expect championship from him every single yr. If he doesn't deliver you call it failure, ruined legacy, washed UP....
It's no wonder your r the biggest laughingstock on this board. My hat goes off to you, it really is very difficult to be as clueless as you r.
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