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Anyone else just get this message from 5dimes cancelling a live wager MEM/LAC
Just got this message....looks like im out 120.91
Straight wager xxxxxxxx posted on Thursday, Apr 25 2013 11:35PM was deleted on Thursday, Apr 25 2013 11:50PM. Basketball - 9737 Los Angeles Clippers/Memphis Grizzlies under 181½ -110 for Game Risking $133.00 to win $120.91 Reason: Clear line error, the correct total had to be 171½ Contact customer support if you need further clarification regarding this deleted ticket.
Who cares?
You're not out anything.
You took a shot and it got cancelled.
The game closed 178-179ish and was never on pace for more than that.
At least they cancelled it before trying to freeroll you.
It was a clear line error. They have the right to void wagers.
Ok thanks....just wanted to make sure it was an error
If the books make an error they should pay the price. I've made bad bets but didn't get to cancel them at halftime.
All books have a bad line clause in their rules if u dont like rules dont play there HARRY
5 dime always pulls this crap. Its a live line and not everyone knows the correct line unless your following multiple books like pinnacle, etc. This is why I never play at Tony's book because he is famous for cancelling wagers after the event. My beef is that if the wager lost my money is on he would of kept the money. Pay the man Tony or get better software or a better line manager.
Don't hang a line you won't pay, such BS......just shady business in general and gives them chances to freeroll people
Another reason to go local......A bet is a fukkin bet on both ends
Between checks bouncing, slow pays, cancelled wagers at will, cold calls from BS shops daily, books collapsing left and right, piss poor customer service, etc etc etc.......Its a fukkin joke at this point
This sucks for the OP, who thought he found a nice edge, when really it was an error. But the books should absolutely have the right to cancel wagers in cases like this.
Hitting rogue lines intentionally is bush league, amateur hour crap. I'm not saying books should freeroll their players in those circumstances. If they do, they should be held equally responsible.
But think about it from a larger perspective- if a book makes an honest mistake and hangs a bad line, and every square on earth who sees it hits it, and the book does the "right thing" and pays out alllll that money (and just one bad line can = a LOT of money), how long do you think that book will stay in business? Do you feel safe keeping your balance there? Mistakes happen, glitches happen, software is not perfect. Personally, I feel better knowing that my book will cancel bets on bad lines.
A difference of 10 pts in a total that high cannot be conaidered a "clear line error". It may be that it was in error but who the fukk is supposed to know? If 5d is the only book someone plays at, they're not shopping lines.
Id say slippery slope here but I think it's well beyond that already. The precedent has been set quite some time ago. They're not going to pay even on the smallest of errors nevermind it having to be a clear line error.
But this is certainly rubbish.
We're talking about a line error of roughly 6%. And it's "clear"
complete bush league.
since its a live game error, would need to know at what point in the game it was to say "clear error"...if we are talking about 2 minutes to go, a total of 163 and a team leading by 8...yes, clearly a bad line that should have been 171 and not 181.
if we are talking 3 minutes in anda game whose total closed at 179...completely different.
the 6 percent difference means nothing in determing the bad line, its the context of the wager and the game it was made on. betting a side bottom of the ninth with 2 outs and no one odd...down by 3 @ even money would be crazy..even if they started the game as heavy chalk. theres is little risk on one side there.
I got live bet under 176.5 with less than 5 mins left on intertops and then it went to 175.5 and then closed. That was close since game ended at 176, but I was watching and never saw it go live above 176.5.
What? I saw live lines between 176 and 179 throughout basically the entire game. It's not like a 181.5 would be that far off.Originally Posted by Gee
Last edited by No coincidences; 04-26-13 at 09:05 AM.
Agree. I'd like to know at what point this total was offered/posted in the game.A difference of 10 pts in a total that high cannot be conaidered a "clear line error". It may be that it was in error but who the fukk is supposed to know? If 5d is the only book someone plays at, they're not shopping lines.
Id say slippery slope here but I think it's well beyond that already. The precedent has been set quite some time ago. They're not going to pay even on the smallest of errors nevermind it having to be a clear line error.
But this is certainly rubbish.
We're talking about a line error of roughly 6%. And it's "clear"
complete bush league.
I almost took the under 179 midway through the fourth quarter. It's not like they were offering 191 or something at 5Dimes. The game ended at 176. Unless this was being posted with a few seconds to go, this is complete bullshit.
Yea the game was never really looking like going near 181, I mean it finished @176 but it took 12 points in the final 1 1/2 min to get it there...
With that being said if a book posts a line they should stick by it, if they care so much about the potential $ loss then perhaps they should have been more careful when posting the line to the public. Where I live the sports book is run by the state (National Govt), if you make a bet get the physical ticket and it wins then it would be considered illegal for the book not to pay out irrespective of any subjective "clear error rules". Its a shame the legal climate is such that these online books are not held to the same level of accountability
Last edited by Tomasaurus; 04-26-13 at 09:12 AM.
I got the same. Should be there own fukin problem.
clear line error my asss, 10 points is not a clear error for someone not shoppping lines... you have only seconds to take these live bets, bullshit
I took it with a few minutes left in the third quarter....i assumed it was correct and they were taking into account fouling at the end of the 4th quarter etc...
Your bet was cancelled too?
Again, I saw plenty of 179's and even 179.5's live well into the second half. A 181.5 is off, but not by that much depending on where they were at in the game.
It depends when it was made but yea its horse shit... 111.5 is a clear error 181.5 is not.... the thing is if the line isn't off enough to be noticed by all the people working an NBA playoff game for one of the biggest sports books online then its not off enough to call it a clear line wager.
It would be interesting to know (if OP noticed) how soon after 181.5 was posted did it get taken down and get replaced by a line in the 169.5-173.5 range
oh nice, so being 3-4 points off a total in an nba game is "never on pace".... what a joke comment
I didnt check out the lines again ater that wager as i liked the under from the outset and was sticking with it
Guys who are defending the books are just stupid. Its a penetrating business...you mess up, you pay up! I own a business and when I mess I don't go back to my customer and hey sorry the price I quoted you was in error, new price is such and such buy if you want to.
We honor it even though it might cost us a little!
A poster in another thread said he had the same thing happen to him at 5Dimes and it was near the end of the third quarter. The point total at the end of the third was 132. Are you telling me it was that much more likely that 39 points would be scored in the fourth vs. 49 that they had the right to cancel the wager due to an egregious line error? Hell no. Weak, 5Dimes. Really weak.
No such thing as a "clear" line error 171.5 to 181.5
Nice wording by 5D "Clear" error. Not exactly.
Sure was pal. Didnt watch til the 4th when i got home so had no idea the pace. Logged in and had the message. I did get 176' with about 6 minutes to go but I had 500 on the under 181.
The whole attitude of buyer beware is horse shit really, if somewhere buried in the rules an online book had a clause where they could confiscate your funds at "their discretion" would that be considered ok?
I remember party poker used to have a clause where if your account was inactive for 180 days they deducted a % of your account balance and just kept it as an inactivity fee, is that ok?
This example, in particular, is a little shady. When I think obvious and clear error, I think of accidentally reversing who's the dog and who's the favorite. I've seen this at least three times. I bet it once and won a lot of money. The second time I was staring at it trying to figure out wtf and it got taken off the board. The third time I bet it and it got cancelled after the game because it was an error. I've never seen it happen with totals. With totals, that can get pretty sketchy.
On the one hand, I get that it's a privately-owned business and they get to make their own rules. But seriously, if a bet gets submitted using the odds they put out, they should pay out, period.
They do have to operate within the law though. If sports betting was 100% legal in the USA and 5dimes had a licence would this action be legal?
If ya'll don't know this already, 5Dimes is a bunch of thieves. Tony, the "manager" over there, is a complete piece of crap! That guy is so shady, after TWO disputes that were CLEARLY bullshit, I moved away from 5Dimes and deposited with Book maker about a year ago. I know 5Dimes has an A+ rating, but they are shady as hell if you ask me. I had the most bs line ever "deleted" on a live play in a baseball game a year ago & when they would not honor the play, I walked immediately.
If ya'll want to deal with Tony & have him feed you bullshit & keep stealing money (bec they should be PAYING out on bullcrap they always take back), then have fun. Tony has been doing this for years and years and 5Dimes will continue to "pay" out their winnings when they so choose. I had enough of that guys total & complete bull. In my opinion, he is one of the WORST line managers in the business. I have dealt with a lot, like most of you have, and that guy has got to be the #1 ahole that I have ever dealt with.
A 181 line when the line was floating at 174-179 almost the whole game??? Totals move FAST in basketball, especially live plays. What if a team scores 8 points in the next 90 seconds??? Such bullcrap.... 5Dimes probably saved themselves 100,000k by not paying anyone. I wonder how many MORE "bad lines" they threw out in that game that they did NOT honor???? I wonder......
I understand a line of 190 going up or 150, those are OBVIOUS. But 181 from a 176 line maybe??? Oh yea, that was so "clear" to me, LMAO!!! The only thing clear there is that 5Dimes are a bunch of crooks. Book maker, have never had an issue and all payouts have been smooth as hell, always. I know which book I will be with for quite some time, at it ain't "Tony's" 5Dimes
If sports betting were legal and books were insured this conversation is a completely different animal. The fact that it's not changes everything. If you own a business and decide to revoke a previous job estimate and replace it with a bigger number once the work is done, I can sue you. I cannot sue a sportsbook.
Regardless of what point in the game this was, 10 points is an enormous difference in a total. Anyone who thinks bets like that should be honored is outing himself as a losing bettor, for obvious reasons.
It would be if the number weren't floating between 176 and 179 all game long, which is in the middle of what we're talking about -- or hell, even closer to the "erroneous" number 5Dimes posted.
I made them aware of the error and they gave me the winnings of everyone's wagers they cancelled
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