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    primetimej
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    Against the Spread Fade System Thread

    I have been using a few different systems lately trying to get a feel for which one garners the best results and so far during the season it has been this. Basically what we are looking teams that have covered ATS a few games in a row vs teams that lost ATS a few games in a row, and fading the team that covered. The magic number for one team is four games in a row, and the magic number for two teams that play eachother is 4 games in a row. Example if Team A covers two in a row and they are playing team B who hasn't covered there last two games, the play would be team B. There will be 3 different plays that are for 1, 2, and 3 units. I judge this based on opening line, so if the line has jumped two points before tip-off it means nothing to me. I want the line that originated from the books themselves not based on the public line movement, however in most cases the public bets against this system anyway moving the line in our favor. I don't care about injuries, back to backs, etc. The books account for all this when the line originates.

    1 Unit Play - Team that have covered ATS 4 in a row or team that has lost ATS 4 in a row. Fade the winning team ATS or play the losing team ATS to win. If the combined ATS between both teams is 4 then fade the winning team. Ex. Team A has covered ATS 3 in a row vs Team B who lost the last game ATS or two and two. If streaks goes beyond 4, the play becomes a 2 Unit play against that team for the next game. (Since December 1, this is 12-7 ATS)

    2 Unit play - Teams that have covered ATS 5 in a row or team that has lost ATS 5 in a row. Fade the winning team ATS or play the losing team ATS to win. Same rule applies from 1 unit play with the combination of both the winning and losing teams ATS. If streak goes beyond 5, the play becomes a 3 unit play against that team for the next game. (Since December 1 this is 4-0 ATS)

    3 Unit play - Teams that have covered ATS 6 in a row or team that has lost ATS 6 in a row. Fade the winning team ATS or play the losing team ATS to win. Same rule applies from 1 unit play with the combination of both the winning and losing teams ATS. If streak goes beyond 6, the play becomes a 3 unit play every time until the streak breaks. (Since December 1 this is 1-0 ATS)

    Another example is the Thunder last night fell into the 2 Unit play category. They lost their last 4 ATS, and the Spurs covered their last game. This totaled to 5 making it a 2 Unit play.

    Let me know how you guys feel about this. Follow or fade the system, either way good luck in all your plays.

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    Tonight the plays below fall into the system

    1 Unit Play
    Bobcats
    Bobcats vs Lakers
    Bobcats 0-2 ATS in last 2
    Lakers 2-0 ATS in last 2

    2 Unit Play
    Bucks
    Pacers vs Bucks
    Pacers 4-0 ATS in last 4
    Bucks 0-1 ATS in last 1

    Spurs
    Spurs vs Nuggets
    Spurs 0-1 ATS in last 1
    Nuggers 4-0 ATS in last 4

    Waiting on lines to come out for the three games to finalize.

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    good luck, i hope you do good.

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    Thanks Riceboi, good luck with your picks as well!

    Lines are out so here's the games for tonight. With this system pushes are no good as we are tracking teams win/losses ATS. So, always buy a half point if the line is sitting at a flat number, and with regards to grading games that aren't getting bet, if they sit at a flat number I always add the 1/2 point to the favorite, as I assume the public to move the line more often than not for the favorite.

    1 Unit
    Bobcats +12.5 (Buy half)

    2 Units
    Bucks -2.5
    Spurs +2.5 (Buy half)

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    Best of luck primetimej

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    good luck

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    Goodluck, how has it done so far this year?

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    thanks for the best wishes guys!

    k4cowboys - thanks for the post, since December 1, (which was when I started this)
    1 unit plays are 12-7.
    2 unit plays are 4-0.
    3 Unit plays are 1-0.

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    Good luck!

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    1 Unit Play
    Bobcats +12.5 - Win

    2 Unit Play
    Bucks -2.5 - Win
    Spurs +2.5 - Lose

    YTD 2-1
    +1 Unit

    2-1 on the night. I will post the plays I see for tonight once I add in the games from last night to my spreadsheet.

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    Three games tonight fall into the system plays. There is one 3 Unit play tonight which are rare with this system. 3 unit plays are only 1-0 since December 1.

    Pistons
    Celtics
    76ers

    1 Unit Play
    Celtics -8.5

    Celtics 0-4 ATS in last four

    2 Unit Play
    76ers +7.5

    76ers 0-4 ATS in last four
    Rockets 1-0 ATS in last game

    3 Unit Play
    Pistons +2.5

    Pistons 0-2 ATS in last two
    Raptors 4-0 ATS in last four.

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    I love it! Seems to be working so far, best of luck mate!

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    thanks Rua, best of luck with your plays tonight and moving forward!

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    Have you backtested? Would be interesting to see those numbers. BOL.

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    hey laca,

    Only since December 1 and the numbers have been overall pretty good, (see first post). Time will determine if the system will work or not. Thanks and best of luck to you as well.

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    you can look at old stats to see how the system would have done in the past. Takes out the guess work by giving you a larger sample size.

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    good point cova ill look into thanks!

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    Interesting system - I think back testing is key to figure out if additional filters are required

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    thanks gamble, I'll do some backtesting this weekend.

    Last night Stats

    1 Unit Play
    Celtics -8.5 - Win

    2 Unit Play
    76ers +7.5 - Lose

    3 Unit Play
    Pistons +2.5 - Lose

    Night Stats
    1-2
    -4 Units

    YTD 3-3
    -3 Units

    Slow start, but these losses open up a few extra opportunities for the next games, seeing as a few winning streaks ATS did not break (Pistons, 76ers)

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    Tonight the play is the Trail Blazers, just waiting on a line.

    3 Unit Play
    Trail Blazers
    Nuggets 5-0 ATS in last 5
    Trail Blazers 0-1 ATS in last game.

    Play or fade either way best of luck!

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    Spread is out.

    3 Unit Play
    Trail Blazers +5 1/2

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    3 Unit Play
    Trail Blazers +5 1/2 - Win

    1 Unit Plays - 2-0 +2.00 Units
    2 Unit Plays - 1-2 -2.20 Units
    3 Unit Plays - 1-1 -0.30 Units
    YTD - 4-3 -50. Units

    Gotta add all the games to my sheets, and I'll post the plays once I have them.
    Last edited by primetimej; 12-21-12 at 12:50 PM. Reason: edit units

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    1 Unit Play
    Mavericks +10.5
    Mavericks 0-1 ATS in last 1
    Grizzlies 3-0 ATS in last three

    2 Unit Play
    Pistons -5.5 (Buy half point)
    Wizards 2-0 ATS in last 2
    Pistons 0-3 ATS in last 3
    76ers +2.5
    76ers 0-5 ATS in last 5.

    3 Unit Play
    Magic +3.5
    Magic 0-1 ATS in last 1
    Raptors 5-0 ATS in last 5


    A two team tease on the 3 unit plays may be added a bit later as well, just waiting to see line movement.
    BOL to all tonight!
    Last edited by primetimej; 12-21-12 at 01:57 PM. Reason: Added 76ers line. Unit error on 76ers. Changed from 3 to 2 Unit play. Thanks Thunderous!

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    I removed the Teaser, as Thunderous pointed out a grading mistake on my end.
    Last edited by primetimej; 12-21-12 at 01:59 PM. Reason: Removed teaser from plays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetimej View Post
    3 Unit Play
    Trail Blazers +5 1/2 - Win

    1 Unit Plays - 2-0 +2 Units
    2 Unit Plays - 1-2 -2 Units
    3 Unit Plays - 1-1 +0 Units
    YTD - 4-3 - +0 Units

    Gotta add all the games to my sheets, and I'll post the plays once I have them.
    do you not account for juice?

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    great pick last night!

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    good point cova, missed that. I updated it thanks!

    thanks blazer!

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    Hawks are not 1-0 ATS, they lost to thunder in their last game.

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    wow good call thundererous. I had in my spreadsheet at +6 92 100 and tagged the hawks as the ATS winner. I changed the sheets and now downgraded the 76ers to a 2 Unit play, as now they only qualify for that. I also pulled down the teaser as it no longer falls in-line with the plays. I would leave the plays as his, but then the system would give false results win or lose. Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by primetimej View Post
    wow good call thundererous. I had in my spreadsheet at +6 92 100 and tagged the hawks as the ATS winner. I changed the sheets and now downgraded the 76ers to a 2 Unit play, as now they only qualify for that. I also pulled down the teaser as it no longer falls in-line with the plays. I would leave the plays as his, but then the system would give false results win or lose. Thanks again!
    You are welcome , liking most of your plays just worried about 76ers

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    Quote Originally Posted by thunderous View Post
    You are welcome , liking most of your plays just worried about 76ers
    ya, I see the concern. Also, the consensus is that the public is pounding the hawks, yet the line moved the other way. Open at sixers +2.5 and now is sixers +2, but we shall see. Best of luck with your plays tonight.

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    Well it's generally a good idea to fade the public - the fact that the public bet was on ATL - and the system called to bet Sixers only reinforces the play IMO

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    1 Unit Play
    Mavericks +10.5 - WIN

    2 Unit Play
    Pistons -5.5 - WIN
    76ers +2.5 - WIN

    3 Unit Play
    Magic +3.5 - WIN

    1 Unit Plays - 3-0 +3 Units
    2 Unit Plays - 3-2 +1.5 Units
    3 Unit Plays - 2-1 +2.7 Units
    YTD - 8-3 +6.2 Units

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    Officially my new favorite thread , thanks primetime

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    Great night last night. I certainly don't have expectations like this, though these numbers have been over 70% since 12/1, so we'll see how this continues to progress.

    Tonight here's the plays

    1 Unit Play
    Jazz +9.5
    Jazz 0-1 ATS in last game
    Heat 3-0 ATS in last 3
    Cavs +8.5 (Buy half)
    Cavs 0-3 ATS in last 3
    Bucks 1-0 ATS in last game
    Suns +3.5 (Buy half)
    Suns 0-4 ATS in last 4.

    3 Unit Play
    Hawks -3.5
    Bulls 2-0 ATS in last 2
    Hawks 0-4 ATS in last 4.

    BOL to all tonight.

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