[gasto]

Upscope, why are you intent on calling people names just because you disagree with them. Emotions cannot substitute for sound reasoning.

If sports gambling is a business, which it is, why would the big betting houses not have an interest in at least some of the outcomes especially when the overwhelming majority of the public is on one side. The team can still win, but not cover the spread or still win but control the tempo to influence game totals.

Someone just talked about half time totals at 122 yet final total still coming in at 206 which was at the set total. And your intelligent self sees no anomaly in this. Truly astounding that you would call yourself smart and still not see something wrong with this. Hidden in all of this is the fact that there is in game betting/live betting on game totals.

What do you think, smart people like you would bet on a game at half time totals at 122 and maybe full game total is reset to 230. Makes it easy that only 108 needed for second half. The smart people think they have won ( still manage to lose), the ones on under 207, put in bets to say over 230 to get what they assume is a lost bet ( lose that bet- advantage betting house).

Greedy ones put in more bets for over 230 excited at the halftime totals and lost original and new bets. Its pretty simple to see how some of the games are choreographed. Not obvious but if you are watching the original total, sometimes you can win just betting against what seems logical ( or the fix).

[takeunder]

My thoughts are that the players know what the spreads and totals are....so they just **** with us at the end of the game...Like if it is close to the total or the spread then a lot of the times you will see a unnecessary 3 pointer at the end of the game or purposely missed FT or whatever BS they decide...if it is not close to the total or spread then they usually just dribble out the game...

[YouHave2outs]

Upscope, why are you intent on calling people names just because you disagree with them. Emotions cannot substitute for sound reasoning. If sports gambling is a business, which it is, why would the big betting houses not have an interest in at least some of the outcomes especially when the overwhelming majority of the public is on one side. The team can still win, but not cover the spread or still win but control the tempo to influence game totals. Someone just talked about half time totals at 122 yet final total still coming in at 206 which was at the set total. And your intelligent self sees no anomaly in this. Truly astounding that you would call yourself smart and still not see something wrong with this. Hidden in all of this is the fact that there is in game betting/live betting on game totals. What do you think, smart people like you would bet on a game at half time totals at 122 and maybe full game total is reset to 230. Makes it easy that only 108 needed for second half. The smart people think they have won ( still manage to lose), the ones on under 207, put in bets to say over 230 to get what they assume is a lost bet ( lose that bet- advantage betting house). Greedy ones put in more bets for over 230 excited at the halftime totals and lost original and new bets. Its pretty simple to see how some of the games are choreographed. Not obvious but if you are watching the original total, sometimes you can win just betting against what seems logical ( or the fix).

seems like you really know what you're talking about. sports betting is too easy when you can identify lines where 70-80% of the action is on one side and just bet the other side because the fix is in.

how much did you make betting sports in 2011? what is your unit size?

[stevenash]

Totals are not rigged in the last minute, however they are set up early in the second half.
Watch for the bullshit touch foul calls early in the second half in NCAAB, or early in the 4th quarter in the NBA.

How many times have you seen a game in the NBA where you see a couple of ticky tack touch fouls against team 'A', an over the top BS foul call on team 'B', fouls the common man don't notice early, but when there is 5:00 left, and both teams are in the 1 and 1 or bonus...........

Long story short, free throw shooting at the end of the game is set up by stupid foul calls early in the last quarter.

[YOUSENKO]

Seems like you guys really have it figured out. How much money did you make betting sports in 2011?

I am up close to 200k in soccer from 2005-2012 through insiders but rarely bet nba. If i add in the casual bets i think i lost few thousands in nba in my life. The point is you still need winners to win in betting which 98% of the bettors will not pick long term. You need accurate info on where they want to go in a match and their intentions. If you don't have insiders you are better off not betting. The whole thing is a circus, most gamblers and die-hard fans won't believe it anyway, of course this circus needs these people to operate perpetually. If rigging didn't happen on heavy bets, the books already closed down because there are people with excellent analysis nowadays.

[gasto]

Yousenko, i do agree. I occasionally watch Premier League soccer and its amazing how many times there are scores in the last 5 minutes plus few minutes injury time of games.

At this point, in play betting is closed, so at this point bettors can only watch whatever drama unfolds. In play betting is where you really see that there is blatant fixing behind the scenes. Most of it playing on people's emotions.

Most EPL games are set at goals over or under 2.5. Its not unusual to already have 3 goals in the first half, or at times, no goals in first half and then suddenly 3 or 4 goals in second half.

These athletes are professionals and I cannot imagine that there can be such drastic change in the level of competitiveness within halves in soccer or quarters in basketball. Very suspicious. Like you said, long term, without inside info, majority of people are toast and the reason why the betting houses stay in business.

Same thing as fools who dont believe there is insider trading that goes in on the stock market. If you read the WSJ you would see how many hedge fund people. Investment Bankers pass info before its public knowledge and yet the common Joe thinks everything is on the up and up. Thats what the people who really make money off sports like the NFL, NBA and betting houses want the majority of people to believe otherwise if it became public nobody would really watch the sports.

**As a side not, go around the world and ask how many people think the WWF and WWE is real competitive sport. Majority believe it, yet Americans know that its acting and just entertainment. Same as professional sports, too much money to just let outcomes be determined by who is athletically better.

[YOUSENKO]

yeah, actually only few privileged gets the info, most are destined to lose. None of the cappers here won long term. If there is no rigging, the books will set higher spreads to hedge but the boat will be 50 50 eventually. Only vig advantage. Take the miami-atlanta return match, nobody believe miami win without james and wade. They up the spread to ATL -4 because they knew the whole night all bets flow into ATL. They knew miami won't lose. So they just keep setting the line into the bettors' (ATL) favour. The end result is they clean up. Actually they could have left it at ATL +4 or -1. They want the tight bettors to enter the market betting 'safe' on ATL ML.