[onlooker]

vegas or onlooker, do any vegas books have odds?

Yes. WillHill LV and Stations is the only two I've been checking.

Posted some odds on Kyle, Hamlin and Stewart above.

[JayHorne3]

Qualifying bet of the week:

Gordon (-115) over Johnson - big bet!

I knew this would be the match-up this week and was anticipating it. Trying to hit 4 in a row

[yisman]

I know Stewart hasn't done a damn thing yet this year, but look at the difference in odds between Stations and WillHill LV.

WillHill LV +900
Stations +1800

Any offshore odds posted yet?

sportsbook posted odds around 5 PM Eastern

they have smoke 20/1

[onlooker]

sportsbook/greek posted odds around 4 PM Eastern

I checked Greek before I posted above, and they didn't have "To Win" odds up.

[yisman]

I checked Greek before I posted above, and they didn't have "To Win" odds up.

sorry they must've removed

smoke 20/1


Kyle Busch
+450


Denny Hamlin
+600


Matt Kenseth
+700


Jimmie Johnson
+800


Kasey Kahne
+1000


Brad Keselowski
+1000


Clint Bowyer
+1000


Carl Edwards
+1200


Jeff Gordon
+1200

[onlooker]

smoke 20/1

OK. Not sure why WillHill LV has him at +900.

[DDT]

Qualifying bet of the week:

Gordon (-115) over Johnson - big bet!

I knew this would be the match-up this week and was anticipating it. Trying to hit 4 in a row

I'll tail you on this one...thanks Jay

[yisman]

OK. Not sure why WillHill LV has him at +900.

sometimes books will have guys way too low, they have enormous vig and don't care. Sometimes a guy will be like 25/1 at 5 Dimes and 10/1 at some vegas books, wouldn't read anything into it

could be they consider smoke a public bet too and don't want to give reasonable odds on him, who knows

[Vegas39]

Looker beat me to it on Denny 7-1 at stations.

[onlooker]

sometimes books will have guys way too low, they have enormous vig and don't care. Sometimes a guy will be like 25/1 at 5 Dimes and 10/1 at some vegas books, wouldn't read anything into it

could be they consider smoke a public bet too and don't want to give reasonable odds on him, who knows

Oh I know. I should of said. I don't know what WillHill LV is thinking with him at +900.

I wasn't trying to get at like they knew something.

[5mike5]

none of the odds are very good, looking at greek even dimes being better wont make much difference

and no way i touch hamlin if i could....WAY too much of a chance of a relief driver imo

going to be alot more value later, probably raceday imo....ill get both down anyways but still

[5mike5]

and very doubtful 5dimes will post til after 8am

but ill be pullin all nighter just in case

[Vegas39]

Hit Kyle at stations. Wait and see on Denny

[5mike5]

good move

just taking too long, i smell relief driver if anything

[Vegas39]

good move

just taking too long, i smell relief driver if anything

probably just gas

[JayHorne3]

I'll tail you on this one...thanks Jay

Someone put my bets in for me when the openers get released. Don't think I am going to be able to stay awake much longer

[Vegas39]

Qualifying Newman -115 over Truex

[5mike5]

Someone put my bets in for me when the openers get released. Don't think I am going to be able to stay awake much longer

its going to be a while no matter what, maybe in the morning would be my guess

ill sleep all day tomorrow if i have to stay up all night

[yisman]

none of the odds are very good, looking at greek even dimes being better wont make much difference

and no way i touch hamlin if i could....WAY too much of a chance of a relief driver imo

I agree, denny unbettable because the openers priced him like he's 100% when who knows what happens

not really getting a discount on him

5 dimes probably refusing to post odds until they get definite news

[5mike5]

i agree yisman

right about dimes too i think, never seen them post qualifying and h2h without Win odds up before them

especially since the greek has removed the win odds

[5mike5]

bowyer has great value imo over kyle on qualifying (+105)...price on him will probably only keep getting better too as more will bet kyle

bowyer has out qualified Kyle 4 of last 5 races at Richmond

[5mike5]

on top of everything else going on with Hamlin....

hes never won the spring race at Richmond, both his wins were years ago in the fall race

[5mike5]

kyle (+525)

Bowyer (+1450)

im going ahead and adding more too

[5mike5]

odds at 5dimes are GREAT....wow

and they posted w/o the greek even being up....

denny listed there too

im tempted to bet my whole roster right now

[5mike5]

Harvick (+1650)----leaving room to use a cover just in case, but wont be sure til later

Kahne (+1150)

[5mike5]

wont decide on that til much later which 1 but thinking harvick might be a cover

i wasnt excpercting odds to be this good, so i might pick 1 more later today or raceday, but will only have 4 drivers for profit max...just depends on what i do after this

[DDT]

I'm glad the 4:30 text didn't wake me up lol...Thanks for the heads up Mike

[5mike5]

I'm glad the 4:30 text didn't wake me up lol...Thanks for the heads up Mike

well i was debating if i should text u that early, but figured i better just in case

odds didnt change much anyways

[JayHorne3]

Odds are good Mike. I tailed all your bets

I will add another win bet and parlay/H2H bets later. I don't pay a lot of attention to practice speeds but I also don't want to bet against anyone in my parlays or H2H matchups that unload lightning quick in practice. May have to add another Hendrick driver to my roster as well.

[5mike5]

Odds are good Mike. I tailed all your bets

I will add another win bet and parlay/H2H bets later. I don't pay a lot of attention to practice speeds but I also don't want to bet against anyone in my parlays or H2H matchups that unload lightning quick in practice. May have to add another Hendrick driver to my roster as well.

sounds exactly like my plans Jay.....my plan is to use harvick as a cover, if i didnt bet another id just use those with no cover, but with odds ill have 4 to win and use a cover is the current plan....definately wont be adding any more than that though no matter what

agree i really dont pay any attention to sessions either, except on H2Hs maybe....rare i ever take those early either

[5mike5]

im having to tape my eyes open just to stay awake right now

[DDT]

im having to tape my eyes open just to stay awake right now

Don't you even think about going to sleep!

[Vegas39]

More penalties coming

Kenseth's engine fails post race inspection: The engine in #20-Matt Kenseth's race-winning car from Kansas failed inspection at NASCAR's Research and Development Center. NASCAR officials were discussing Wednesday what penalties to levy against Kenseth and Joe Gibbs Racing, multiple people familiar with the inspection told the AP on the condition of anonymity because no decision has been made. The engine failed because one of the connecting rods not meeting the minimum weight requirement. Kenseth drove the #20 Toyota to his second win of the season Sunday in Kansas. It is standard procedure for the race winning engine to go back to Concord for a thorough inspection. The JGR engines are supplied by Toyota Racing Development out of Costa Mesa, Calif., but NASCAR would hold the team responsible for any infractions.(Associated Press)(4-24-2013)

[5mike5]

Don't you even think about going to sleep!

i havent been to bed since monday night....im at my limit

glad i stayed up as they tried to pull a sneaky and post when they did

[5mike5]

every team is pushing this new car as far as they can and then some....

not suprising really....

i think SHR better start doing the same