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    Showtime Southern 500 - Darlington

    What the stats say...

    In order of who has the best finishing average of active drivers at Darlington.

    It's noteable how low Bowyer, Kyle, Harvick, Roush and RPM drivers all rank on this track.



    1) Hamlin's best track statistically (only 5 starts). Equal with Martinsville at 6.6 avg, and just a little better than he is at Richmond. He's had 2 top 5s and 4 top 10s from his 5 starts, including the win last year. He qualifies only a little better than his career average here, at 12.8.

    2) Johnson does not generally qualify well here. Might be worth waiting until after qualifying to back him. It's his 5th best track for results, with 2 wins and 9 top 10s from 12 starts and an average finish of 9.3. He crashed out last year but finished 2nd to Martin in 2009.

    3) Bill Elliot

    4) Kesolowski. Only 2 starts. 7th for Hendrick in 2009 and 12th for Penske last year.

    5) Gordon's best track for qualifying and 8th best for results with an average of 11th. Finished top 5 here the last 7 years in a row (with 1 win in that time). I'll probably grab some Jeff as soon as the openers show up this week.

    6) Burton's 2nd best track (after Vegas) with an average finish of 11.4. Although he has qualified top 10 only once in his last 17 starts here, he has strung together 4 top 10s and a 12th from his last 5 outings. If he does his usual poor qualifying effort and is some value for a Top 10 late I might have a lash on him.

    7) Martin's win 2 years ago was his only top 5 finish in his last 5 starts here. Overall he qualifies a little below average at Darlington, and it's his 8th best track for results, with 2 wins and 17 top 5s from 44 starts for an average finish of 12.2

    8) Newman both qualifies and finishes at much better than his average here at 8.8 and 12.2. He has 6 top 5s from 12 attempts, with a 9th and a 4th the last 2 years for Stewart Haas.

    9) Stewart has 9 top 10s from 18 starts, including a 3rd on debut for Stewart Haas in 2009... but overall Darlington rates below average for him in both quali and results at 17.6 and 12.6.

    10) Truex

    11) Biffle's 2nd best track for qualifying and 8th best for results with an average finish of 14.8. He had back to back race wins in 05 and 06, followed by back to back front row starts in 07 and 08. In 2009 he started 11th and finished 8th... and last year was poor for all the Roush drivers here. Overall I see that as a more solid history than a couple of the higher ranked drivers, and if the Roush cars look good in practice The Biff could be the man from that team to back this week.

    12) McMurray

    13) Dale Jr. had a string of top 10s here with DEI, and qualified front row and finished 4th on debut for Hendrick in 2008... but like most other tracks, has been anonymous here for the last 2 years. He has 7 top 10s from 16 starts and an average finish of 15.2... which puts the track better than average for both quali and results for Junior.

    14) Edwards

    15) Labonte

    16) Kahne

    17) Kurt Busch

    18) Kenseth

    19) Montoya

    20) Logano

    21) Kyle Busch ranks so low because he has alternated a poor finish with a good finish for his 6 starts here. So he has a 3 out of 6 record of top 10s, and a win in 2008, but the off years drag his career average finish down to 18.2. Last year he came 7th, so if history is any guide he is due for a bad one this week.

    22) Harvick

    23) Ragan

    27) Reutimann

    28) Bowyer

    36) Menard

    38) Ambrose

    39) Allmendinger



    I might have a look at some of the others later on.
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    14) Edwards' record looks a bit like Kyles. Half the time he runs a solid top 10, and the other half he wrecks, has engine trouble, or just a bad car like last year. He has 4 top 10s from his 7 starts, with a best finish of 2nd in 2008, but overall his average start of 18.7 and average finish of 15.6 puts Darlington well below average for him.

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    22) Harvick's 6th last year was his first top 10 in the last 7 races. He has only qualified in the top 10 once in the last 12 years. His average start of 17.6 and average finish of 19.1 make it his 3rd worst track on the circuit. (only above Charlotte and Atlanta)

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    12) McMurray ranks Darlington as his second best track with an average finish of 15th, including 3 top 5s from 10 starts. He started on pole to finish 2nd here last year, earning him a driver rating of 121.1... but that is well above his career average Darlington rating of 85.6. He qualifies much better than his career average here.

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    28) Bowyer got his best result from 5 starts here in 2006, with a pole and 9th. The last 3 years he both qualified and finished poorly. (I can't recall but it appears he has been in wrecks as he has finished multiple laps down the last 2 years)

    Darlington ranks as his worst track, with an average start of 17.2 and average finish of 23.2... but with only 5 starts under his belt that probably isn't as damning to his chances as it may sound. (I won't be backing him again this week though)

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    16) Kahne is a qualifying demon here, with 3 poles and 3 more top 10 starts from his 8 attempts. He qualified the RPM Ford top 10 last 2 years, only to finish a lap down in the 20s. It's his 7th best track overall with an average finish of 15.9. He has scored 2 driver ratings over 100 and has averaged a 90.3 rating for his last 6 starts here.

    Might be a smokey chance again this week.

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    Have some extra time on your hands today, Opti? Good work, the more info the better.

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    Yeah something like that. Great F1 race on this weekend, and me wanting to win more, combining to make me want to spend more time capping more carefully again.

    Hopefully it won't hurt anyway.

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    Going to back Kyle jimmy and Hamlin this week

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    does mark martin win this week ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by callmejrk1 View Post
    does mark martin win this week ?
    I think he's T5.

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    5D Openers

    Kyle Busch +575
    Denny Hamlin +600
    Jimmie Johnson +600
    Jeff Gordon +775
    Carl Edwards +800
    Kevin Harvick +1000
    Dale Earnhardt Jr +1200
    Tony Stewart +1300
    Greg Biffle +1800
    Clint Bowyer +2000
    Matt Kenseth +2400
    Kurt Busch +2400
    Jeff Burton +2800
    Mark Martin +2800
    Kasey Kahne +3300
    Jamie McMurray +3300
    Ryan Newman +3500
    Juan Pablo Montoya +3500
    Joey Logano +3500
    Martin Truex Jr +4500
    David Reutimann +5000


    Not quite as generous on Gordon as I was hoping. Think I might still grab a half unit at +775 early though.

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    But getting better...

    Denny Hamlin +650
    Kyle Busch +650
    Jimmie Johnson +650
    Jeff Gordon +800
    Carl Edwards +850
    Kevin Harvick +1100
    Tony Stewart +1300
    Dale Earnhardt Jr +1300
    Greg Biffle +1300
    Clint Bowyer +1900
    Matt Kenseth +2300
    Kurt Busch +2300
    Jeff Burton +2800
    Mark Martin +2800
    Joey Logano +3200
    Ryan Newman +3300
    Juan Pablo Montoya +3300
    Kasey Kahne +3300
    Jamie McMurray +3300
    Martin Truex Jr +4400
    David Reutimann +5500

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    I took Kasey Kahne (Qualifying) -110* vs Greg Biffle (Qualifying)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    I took Kasey Kahne (Qualifying) -110* vs Greg Biffle (Qualifying)
    thats looking really good.

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    Still need to look.

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    When are these books going to start putting lines up for Allmendinger? I don't like him this week at Darlington, but I really think he's got a shot the following week at Dover.

    Anyway, I like the #24 and #5 this week without putting too much research into it.

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    Darlington baby, hell yesssss

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    A night race to boot.

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    edwards gordon hamlin

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    Took Gordon at +850, Hamlin +650, and Kyle at +700. Will add 1 more. Jimmie scares me.
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    with as studly as bowyer has been lately 19-1 seems like a gift

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    Not a good track for Bowyer, but the way this season has gone...

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    Anyone having a bet on the Nationwide race?

    After my bad mouthing of Denny last race, I've backed him at +275
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    Biffle and Jimmie qualify like crap. All looking good so far. C'mon Kasey!

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    going on Kyle Busch pretty heavy.

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    Adding Newman top 5 +175.

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    Best Finish of Group B : Juan Pablo Montoya +370
    Biffle, Earnhardt Jr, Kenseth, Logano, Montoya

    Best Finish of Group E : Juan Pablo Montoya +440
    Burton, Logano, Martin, Montoya, McMurray

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optional View Post
    Best Finish of Group E : Juan Pablo Montoya +440
    Burton, Logano, Martin, Montoya, McMurray
    Have a feeling this will hit...

    Best of luck today Opti

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    Thanks Stan. He is priced as the longshot in both groups though, so maybe we are missing something.

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    Your missing Newman punting him. Probably won't happen this week. Both drivers are on secret double probation.

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    I was hoping that was the only reason for bookies lack of faith in him.

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    I like Newman to. But will probably go Hamlin, Kyle, Gordon and Edwards.

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    What can you do when a man not on the board takes your money.Thought you was going to cash edwards, looker. Newman saved me from losing money.

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