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    Hey Morino next game in just over 3 hours.

    You see that line jump this morning?

    Did you get double digits? There was value up there and I wouldn't be surprised if this line goes from 9 to 8.5 and/or lower.

    That was a huge reaction and there's boung to be some pullback to bring it back down.

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    Sun +4.5

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    I bet this game 2 hours ago and see now the line has moved to 5, I will of course grade the bet at the line I posted the bet at

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    the best play in that game imo is the under

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinakid View Post
    the best play in that game imo is the under
    Seattle plays fast and they don’t have any interior defense with Howard gone, I’m not betting unders in Seattle games

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Seattle plays fast and they don’t have any interior defense with Howard gone, I’m not betting unders in Seattle games
    so this is going way under

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Sun +4.5
    Faders take the +4.5 (+100) here and Morino's play will be at -110.

    Because I am a nice guy.

    Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    I bet this game 2 hours ago and see now the line has moved to 5, I will of course grade the bet at the line I posted the bet at
    Tell it to someone who cares you lie all the time about your bets, that's why I was assigned this thread.

    Because of that you are paranoid and make posts like this one I quoted.


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    Here the numbers from an actual capper, me.

    These are simple early season numbers still and I would expect many to come to the near exact same conclusions as my stacking forecast. The public gauge not so much as it is beyond the scope of everyone here.

    Stacking Public
    Percentages Guage
    13-Jun SEA 80 78
    CON 80 80
    WAS 84 85 86
    ATL 81 83
    NY 79 77
    PHO 85 85
    DAL 77 78 82
    LV 88 89 90



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    Quote Originally Posted by lonegambler23 View Post

    so this is going way under
    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post

    Faders take the +4.5 (+100) here and Morino's play will be at -110.

    Because I am a nice guy.

    Good Luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Tell it to someone who cares you lie all the time about your bets, that's why I was assigned this thread.

    Because of that you are paranoid and make posts like this one I quoted.

    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Here the numbers from an actual capper, me.

    These are simple early season numbers still and I would expect many to come to the near exact same conclusions as my stacking forecast. The public gauge not so much as it is beyond the scope of everyone here.

    Stacking Public
    Percentages Guage
    13-Jun SEA 80 78
    CON 80 80
    WAS 84 85 86
    ATL 81 83
    NY 79 77
    PHO 85 85
    DAL 77 78 82
    LV 88 89 90


    Bipolar boy is angry today I see.

    Dumb shits.

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    1st half went under the 78 so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinakid View Post
    1st half went under the 78 so far
    Yeah the sun are down a key player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinakid View Post
    1st half went under the 78 so far
    Sea opening the early can of whoop ass too. It's up to them what happens from here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Sun +4.5
    Quote Originally Posted by thomorino View Post
    Yeah the sun are down a key player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Faders take the +4.5 (+100) here and Morino's play will be at -110.

    Because I am a nice guy.

    Good Luck.
    This is a typo, obviously.

    Faders will get -4.5 (-107)

    My bad, y'all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckandadime View Post



    You are a dumb shit

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    1-1

    +.7 units

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    Again a basic forecast with the stacking percentages forecast and I would suspect many others to come to very similar if not the same numbers.

    The public gauge is a different story.

    Stacking Public
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    15-Jun SEA 91 91
    IND 71 72 77
    CHI 79 78
    MIN 80 84
    NY 75 77
    LV 92 91


    I'd like to see a modicum of intelligence, as well as interest from some at SBR here. There are many things I can teach and elemtary handicapping using the WNBA is a great thing to start for those who want to learn.

    3 games today anyone watching these markets? Volume from my contacts are all very light, across the spectrum of markets.

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    The bettors can not get enough of Seattle here and that line has grown to 15.5.

    Notice the 20 point stacking forcast and the 14 point public gauge. That early line of -12 at BOL had no chance of holding.

    Books have been happily taking the bets on Seattle but they have shown us movement.

    Seattle a very popular bet tonight, for a WNBA game.

    The betting public is starting to like the amount of data being accumulated and sharper money will be entering the picture here. I, for one, welcome it. It also might represent the Faders in this thread coming back and Morono will get outpaced by actual bettors.


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    I don’t know what does the statistics are on a big favorite 10 or more in the WNBA

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjgold View Post
    I don’t know what does the statistics are on a big favorite 10 or more in the WNBA
    Static stats like that are only so useful, we will learn in this thread about weighting more recent time periods differently, I think.

    Anyway, it's not good, Gold. The favorites win those about 44.5 % of the time over about 15 years of data including the Seattle cover tonight.

    But there was a recent bad year of that, so to speak, and we really could be seeing the market shift. I do expect the big favorites to cover more this year and expect them to be profitable by overall being closer to even instead of sharply biased toward the underdog. The profit comes in trading. There are multi-decade factors at play here Gold.

    Could be a market bottom as the books are less apt to make the line so big in the face of the larger Forecasts. In fact, for years, the larger spread forecasts were notoriously terrible when predicitng the favorite.

    There have been periods of drastic losses followed by a more sideways vig grind for the bettor who's bet the big favorites to cover over the last couple of decades.

    Here's what it's looked like over the past 10 years for spreads of -10 or more, covering 318 plays....


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    The two big favorites covered yesterday.


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    We are still in a relatively simple data crunching phase for any season. The stacking forecast is still failry basic and I would expect many others to come to the same or similar numbers.

    Either way, LA is getting more credit in forecasting than the line shows.

    Stacking Public
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    16-Jun PHO 80 75
    LA 79 80 78


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    Same story, same level of sophistication...

    Stacking Public
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    17-Jun ATL 82 81
    WAS 84 87
    SEA 89 90
    IND 71 75
    MIN 83 81
    DAL 81 86
    CON 76 79
    CHI 83 75
    NY 74 78
    LV 91 92


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    Same story, but getting sharper here.

    Stacking Public
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    18-Jun PHO 80 76
    LA 81 79

    Public likes LA here, I'm actually thinking of countering the line move with PHO on the spread.

    It's on my radar.

    Here's my record so far in the thread...

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    665 24-May DAL +1.5 (-112) -1
    NY +1.5 (-115) LIVE 0.87
    652 25-May CON/SEA UNDER 162.5 (-113) -1
    662 28-May MIN/SEA UNDER 166.5 (-107) 0.93
    Total -0.2

    As everyone knows, I'm a grinder.

    I'm just waiting for the market to settle a little bit then we'll see about running a WNBA campaign.


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    Does anyone have any opinion on Connecticut Sun (+7.5) @ Chicago Sky ?

    Mainly does Connecticut have any chances to win ?

    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    Does anyone have any opinion on Connecticut Sun (+7.5) @ Chicago Sky ?

    Mainly does Connecticut have any chances to win ?

    Thank you
    I don't really like Con to win that game. In fact I kind of like CHI to cover there, but it's no bet for me.

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    Smae story here with the numbers, many should be able to come to the Stacking Forecast conclusions, they aren't very complex right now, I would expect others to have the same or similar numbers.

    Stacking Public
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    19-Jun CON 74 79
    CHI 84 76
    IND 78 78
    WASH 86 88
    MIN 84 82
    DAL 80 86


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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    Does anyone have any opinion on Connecticut Sun (+7.5) @ Chicago Sky ?

    Mainly does Connecticut have any chances to win ?

    Thank you
    Notice I have the public gauge with Connecticut winning but the stacking forecast has Chicago.

    I think the public gauge and sentiment is wrong here.

    I think.

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    What are the best sportsbooks to use that post lines early and take 1st quarter and 1st half totals before they are ironed out? I didnt know this thread was here. I may go back and read it all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    Does anyone have any opinion on Connecticut Sun (+7.5) @ Chicago Sky ?

    Mainly does Connecticut have any chances to win ?

    Thank you
    The Sun have been complete trash without Jones, Inwouldnt bet gem or bet over in Sun games Jones isn’t playing, they can’t score

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    Quote Originally Posted by asiagambler View Post
    Does anyone have any opinion on Connecticut Sun (+7.5) @ Chicago Sky ?

    Mainly does Connecticut have any chances to win ?

    Thank you
    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    I don't really like Con to win that game. In fact I kind of like CHI to cover there, but it's no bet for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by KVB View Post
    Notice I have the public gauge with Connecticut winning but the stacking forecast has Chicago.

    I think the public gauge and sentiment is wrong here.

    I think.


    Stacking Public
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    19-Jun CON 74 79
    CHI 84 76

    Chicago with the 10 point win ended making the opinion of the stacking forecast correct here over the public gauge.

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    To be fair, the opposite happend when Dallas beat Minn by 18 points.

    MIN 84 82
    DAL 80 86


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    Here are the numbers...

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    20-Jun NY 77 75
    LA 84 82

    Both Forecasts have a 7 point LA win and from the market perspective it seems the bettors in general, what few there are, have put more pressure on the NY moneyline than anything else and that has caused the market to drop.

    What do the bettor's know?


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    I recognize the risk here with two units on one team but both qualify for me here and I picked up...

    612 20-Jun LA -2.5 (-109)
    612 LA -150

    Good Luck.

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